The GOP's Waterloo get worse

[one...two...tree 2,762]

If this is such an awesome solution to our system of healthcare how do you reconcile that the people who wrote it are exempt from participating in it?

First, I didn't say it was awesome, but this bill is definitely a big step in the right direction. We couldn't continue to try and compete in this global economy when other developed nations spend less per capita on health care than we do, and they provide universal coverage. Your flag is Ireland and I'm assuming you're the USC so your wife experienced health care in Ireland, yes? My father has dual citizenship (USC/Irish) and he broke his hip a couple of years ago while visiting Ireland. The total cost of his hip replacement, rehab and hospital stay was a fraction of what it costs here.

As for Congress - it is in the bill that they will be in the same insurance exchange as everyone else. Sure, there are some in Congress who are in bed with the insurance companies...which is one of the reasons why this piece of legislation was so difficult to get through.

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[Dan T 8]

it's being printed as fast as it can, per obama's orders!

im waiting for the sign on the statue of liberty to be replaced with "welcome to what used to be America, but we don't have borders any more. Here is your free healthcare, now this way to the bread line, and this way to your death counselor." followed by a Spanish translation.

[Nagishkaw 510]

it's being printed as fast as it can, per obama's orders!

That would not surprise me.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Curious how you avoid all people who call you out in this way.

No, I avoid getting into debates about what is and what isn't socialism with people that have in a painfully obvious way not the first damn clue what they're talking about. It's useless to engage in such a debate and hence, I won't do it. I try not to engage in futile exercises.

[Pooky 3,931]

Hey Dale! The Captain had to abandon the old software because it had no more support and was vulnerable to hackers. It's taking some getting used to, but it's growing on me.

No wonder you supported this healthcare reform Bill

[Dan T 8]

First, I didn't say it was awesome, but this bill is definitely a big step in the right direction. We couldn't continue to try and compete in this global economy when other developed nations spend less per capita on health care than we do, and they provide universal coverage. Your flag is Ireland and I'm assuming you're the USC so your wife experienced health care in Ireland, yes? My father has dual citizenship (USC/Irish) and he broke his hip a couple of years ago while visiting Ireland. The total cost of his hip replacement, rehab and hospital stay was a fraction of what it costs here.

As for Congress - it is in the bill that they will be in the same insurance exchange as everyone else. Sure, there are some in Congress who are in bed with the insurance companies...which is one of the reasons why this piece of legislation was so difficult to get through.

Tort reform and deportation, not amnesty, for illegals. When these become reality, and healthcare costs self adjust downward due to reduced burden I'd be more than willing to discuss punishments for insurance company rip-offs. Are there profiteers that might have a small hand in lining their pockets on the backs of policy holders? probably. would I like to see them taken down a notch? sure. Do they deserve to suffer the wrath of over-zealous libs who are intent on putting them out of business completely? HELL NO!

Yes I am American, and my wife is Irish and we both plan to be dual citz at some distant date in the future. As far as their system is concerned it does seem to have some merits in the way of catastrophic care, however, how much of it is paid for by their 22% VAT on every single consumer item including food and clothing, even higher on luxury items. Oh yes trust me America will soon have a VAT to pay for this behemoth. They still clearly haven't figured it all out because many hospitals have closed in the last 10 years. Because the Ennis maternity ward in closed residents of some parts of Co Clare have to be taken for an hour plus long ride in an abulance to the nearest ward which is in Limerick.

[dalegg 143]

Hey Dale! The Captain had to abandon the old software because it had no more support and was vulnerable to hackers. It's taking some getting used to, but it's growing on me.

Damn. I go to Vietnam for 2 weeks and everything goes to pot. I'm going to have to tell the wife no more trips over there because of this.

[Dan T 8]

No, I avoid getting into debates about what is and what isn't socialism with people that have in a painfully obvious way not the first damn clue what they're talking about. It's useless to engage in such a debate and hence, I won't do it. I try not to engage in futile exercises.

Where did I ask for a debate from you? I dont debate marxists/maoists because your arguments are self-defeting. Im merely inviting you to proudly self-identify.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Where did I ask for a debate from you? I dont debate marxists/maoists because your arguments are self-defeting. Im merely inviting you to proudly self-identify.

Oh boy. You surely self identify as a dumbfcuk. And quite proudly so.

[Dan T 8]

Oh boy. You surely self identify as a dumbfcuk. And quite proudly so.

And youve self-identified as a coward that lacks the courage of your conviction.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

And youve self-identified as a coward that lacks the courage of your conviction.

Dude, whenever you learn what socialism is - and what it is not - we can have a debate about it. As it stands, you don't have the first damn clue as to what socialism is nor what it looks like. If you did, you wouldn't make the asinine comments you keep making.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Damn. I go to Vietnam for 2 weeks and everything goes to pot. I'm going to have to tell the wife no more trips over there because of this.

Welcome back. How was your trip?

[JimandChristy 1,689]

I refer you to my question for Bill Maher. From what I can tell you too are a socialist as well so why wouldnt you be proud to stand side by side with our Maoist in Chief holding a copy of Marx between you?

How is this bill not a step towards socialism? From each acording to their abilities, to each acording to their needs. Isn't that the quote? you'd know better than me. This bill REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEKS of it. Next theyll pass a bill telling me I have to live in a 2 bedroom condo and give the proceedes from my house to help people that never bothered to work hard enough or smart enough to afford one, and limit the size of my tv to 23 inches and make me pay 50k for a 15k car because it hurts peoples self-esteem that I drive something that seats 7 when they cant afford it. The objective of the Obama/Pelosi/Reid weather underground governemet is to dictate our entire lives to us from cradle to grave.

The USA in parts is a socialist nation.....who's money goes towards paying defence? The Taxpayer, who's money goes towards paying for the USPS? the Taxpayer, who's money goes towards paying for Fire service, Police? The Taxpayer, who's money goes towards maintaining and building roads, the taxpayer, who's money goes towards paying for libraries? the taxpayer! You have Socialism in these except its on a State Level rather than a Federal Level.

As for the rest of the post you've entered into the realms of complete ignorance and paranoia. Look at other first world nations that you call "Socialist" who are slightly more socialist than the USA....Western Europe, Japan, Australia etc. Are people in these nations worse off? Certainly not, Are these people in these nations told by the government that they have to live in a certain property or are limited to a certain size TV? Are you even thinking about what you are saying? Why are you so paranoid? Have you been watching Fox "News" Channel too much and listening to its propaganda?

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Dude, whenever you learn what socialism is - and what it is not - we can have a debate about it. As it stands, you don't have the first damn clue as to what socialism is nor what it looks like. If you did, you wouldn't make the asinine comments you keep making.

http://coto2.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/socialism_vs_capitalism.jpg

Socialism/Capitalism....who cares! The important thing apparently is that we have guns!

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[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Socialism/Capitalism....who cares! The important thing apparently is that we have guns!