Can someone explain this bible verse to me?

[웃 910]

No offense to anyone, I know this is a sensitive subject and all...

This was voted best answer:

And I was wondering if this is Visa Journey's John Galt?

[AlHayatZween 2]

[Twisted K 2]

you have to take the whole chapter to understand what is going on. it is a symbolization of God's people going after other gods. kind of like a parable. i am not a theologian, and it is a very deep meaning.

[Danno 1,228]

It seems to be about two woman who whored themselves out in Egypt.

( if you read just a little before.)

[Y's_habibitk 2]

That version is only in the new international version as far i as i just checked

The NIV is an explicitly Protestant translation

The New International Version project was started after a meeting in 1965 at Trinity Christian College in Palos Heights, Illinois between the Christian Reformed Church, National Association of Evangelicals, and a group of international scholars.[4] The New York Bible Society (now the Colorado Springs-based International Bible Society) was selected to do the translation. The New Testament was released in 1973 and the full Bible in 1978. It underwent a minor revision in 1984

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_International_Version

of course versions get twisted as they are "revised" by men.

the longer standing verse in most other versions is much more subdued:

20:For she doted upon their paramours, whose flesh is as the flesh of asses, and whose issue is like the issue of horses.

21:Thus thou calledst to remembrance the lewdness of thy youth, in bruising thy teats by the Egyptians for the paps of thy youth.

[Danno 1,228]

That version is only in the new international version as far i as i just checked

The NIV is an explicitly Protestant translation

The New International Version project was started after a meeting in 1965 at Trinity Christian College in Palos Heights, Illinois between the Christian Reformed Church, National Association of Evangelicals, and a group of international scholars.[4] The New York Bible Society (now the Colorado Springs-based International Bible Society) was selected to do the translation. The New Testament was released in 1973 and the full Bible in 1978. It underwent a minor revision in 1984

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_International_Version

of course versions get twisted as they are "revised" by men.

the longer standing verse in most other versions is much more subdued:

20:For she doted upon their paramours, whose flesh is as the flesh of asses, and whose issue is like the issue of horses.

21:Thus thou calledst to remembrance the lewdness of thy youth, in bruising thy teats by the Egyptians for the paps of thy youth.

yeah I noted the difference in wording as well from the KJ.

[웃 910]

What do you think of some of these quotes from Thomas Paine? Do you strongly disagree with him or is he accurate in some of his quotations?

Is it not a species of blasphemy to call the New Testament revealed religion, when we see in it such contradictions and absurdities.

Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we called it the word of a demon than the Word of God. It is a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind.”

All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.

Any system of religion that has anything in it that shocks the mind of a child, cannot be true.

It is not a God, just and good, but a devil, under the name of God, that the Bible describes.

The whole religious complexion of the modern world is due to the absence from Jerusalem of a lunatic asylum.

There are matters in the Bible, said to be done by the express commandment of God, that are shocking to humanity and to every idea we have of moral justice.

[scandal 951]

The original Hebrew for these psukim in Yechezkel:

כג,כ וַתַּעְגְּבָה, עַל פִּלַגְשֵׁיהֶם, אֲשֶׁר בְּשַׂר-חֲמוֹרִים בְּשָׂרָם, וְזִרְמַת סוּסִים זִרְמָתָם. כג,כא וַתִּפְקְדִי, אֵת זִמַּת נְעוּרָיִךְ; בַּעְשׂוֹת מִמִּצְרַיִם דַּדַּיִךְ, לְמַעַן שְׁדֵי נְעוּרָיִךְ.

This is my own translation of the words. I speak modern Hebrew, I'm not a Biblical scholar. Modern Hebrew is to the Tanach more or less as modern 21st century English is to Chaucer. I.e. - I'm guessing here.

a. The word "Pilegshehem" means concubines, not lovers.

b. The phrase "basar-hamorim bsaram" means literally - "the meat of donkeys is their meat". It does not say genitals. You might infer that, but it could as easily mean any muscular tissue.

c. "zrimat susim zrimatam" does indeed mean "the stream, or emission, of horses is their emission".

Overall the translation would appear roughly accurate.

[NickD 203]

The Book of Ezekiel was likely written between 593 and 565 B.C. during the Babylonian captivity of the Jews. Very typical of captives not to refer to their captors by name that wrote this stuff back then, they would have been hung. Just as if Canadians overtook our country and enslaved us and you wanted to write something nasty about them, would never call them Canadians, your a$$ would be grass and they would be the lawn mower, so you call them a two bit ####### instead.

Some guys think the force that will get rid of the Babylonians were actually aliens from outer space, this is how weird it can get. In the Book of Revelation, the Romans were the bad guys in the eyes of John, but chickenshit John wouldn't dare refer to them as the Romans, would have nailed him to the cross.

Ezekiel, in his very colorful and poetic language was trying to say, Israel was being fvcked by the Balylonians just like I like to say, tax time is coming to us soon in this country, time to bend over and take it like a man. But any sexual implications should be left out. Bible was never meant to be interpreted literally, but many do, and some claim to be experts on this subject giving us the expression, the blind are leading the blind.

[Ban Hammer 14,286]

i thought it was about amby and bosco, the first sentence.

[Nasturtium 500]

It is about cult prostitution. Cult prostitution is what brought about many of the punishments from Adonai. The reason they were taken into captivity was because of their cult prostitution, and they were involved in it heavily up until that point as well. I completely disagree with Nick D in the above as well, that's not what Revelation is talking about at all... it could be interpreted that way though if you sectioned it off and didn't know anything about the Bible/Scripture/Tanakh in general.

A lot of times what refers to cult prostitution in both the Tanakh and the NT is translated as sexual immorality, promiscuity, fornication, adultery, common prostitution, etc when it isn't that. Acts 15:20-21 refers to cult prostitution, Yehudah (Judah) believed Tamar to be a cult prostitute in Genesis (Beresheit) (at first he calls her zonah, which is ambigusous as to if he thinks she is common or cult, then she is refered to as kiday'sha which is cult), Pinhas in Ex. saved Israel from the plague that was due to their cult prostitution, etc. Ritual prostitution is a big problem for Israel for a long time until they came out of the captivity. After that, they settled down and it wasn't a problem again until the NT where they are dealing with Gentile converts.

This is also why (since most people don't read the original languages and know the contexts) the Bible seems so random in its condemntaion of what appears (in English/translation) to be the same crime/sin.

[NickD 203]

It is about cult prostitution. Cult prostitution is what brought about many of the punishments from Adonai. The reason they were taken into captivity was because of their cult prostitution, and they were involved in it heavily up until that point as well. I completely disagree with Nick D in the above as well, that's not what Revelation is talking about at all... it could be interpreted that way though if you sectioned it off and didn't know anything about the Bible/Scripture/Tanakh in general.

A lot of times what refers to cult prostitution in both the Tanakh and the NT is translated as sexual immorality, promiscuity, fornication, adultery, common prostitution, etc when it isn't that. Acts 15:20-21 refers to cult prostitution, Yehudah (Judah) believed Tamar to be a cult prostitute in Genesis (Beresheit) (at first he calls her zonah, which is ambigusous as to if he thinks she is common or cult, then she is refered to as kiday'sha which is cult), Pinhas in Ex. saved Israel from the plague that was due to their cult prostitution, etc. Ritual prostitution is a big problem for Israel for a long time until they came out of the captivity. After that, they settled down and it wasn't a problem again until the NT where they are dealing with Gentile converts.

This is also why (since most people don't read the original languages and know the contexts) the Bible seems so random in its condemntaion of what appears (in English/translation) to be the same crime/sin.

That's what the bible is all about, beliefs, feel free to believe whatever you want to.

[Danno 1,228]

What do you think of some of these quotes from Thomas Paine? Do you strongly disagree with him or is he accurate in some of his quotations?

Is it not a species of blasphemy to call the New Testament revealed religion, when we see in it such contradictions and absurdities.

Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we called it the word of a demon than the Word of God. It is a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind.”

All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.

Any system of religion that has anything in it that shocks the mind of a child, cannot be true.

It is not a God, just and good, but a devil, under the name of God, that the Bible describes.

The whole religious complexion of the modern world is due to the absence from Jerusalem of a lunatic asylum.

There are matters in the Bible, said to be done by the express commandment of God, that are shocking to humanity and to every idea we have of moral justice.

I question if these quotes even came from Thomas Pain.... I would have expected him to be more accurate in his summation or opinion on the matter for example, to claim the record of events is some how porno or absurd is a little odd as is suggesting that these type writings are contained in "half" the Bible.

I think anyone who has even spent a little time in Sunday School depth reading would know that these accounts a fraction of the whole.

[justashooter 430]

"god is a spirit, and those that worship him worship him in spirit and in truth" (isaiah).

the bible is a book focused upon spiritual adultery and renewal unto a pure relationship with god, as between a husband and a wife. if you understand this you know everything you need to know.

[Old Dominion 26]

There was an era when the ancient Hebrew leaders were worried that not enough offspring were being born to grow their tribe. They observed too many adults involved in sexual horseplay including bestiality and homosexuality for sport only, not out of lust. Prophets wrote things like this and also the warnings against homosexual conduct. The Old Testament is not so much the living word of God, but how the Spirit was heard by the prophets of those days.