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I have been working on a presentation book for my fiancees interview for the proof of serious relationship. So far I have included in it: sworn affidavit from my mother of the relationship formed between her and my fiancee, emails between my parents/fiancee and sister/fiancee. 30 photos from 4 trips to visit her in the last year, about 20 selected emails out of over 3,000 between my fiancee and I (I picked very personal ones showing our feelings for each other and spanning the timeframe of the realtionship), I also included copies of my yahoo email inbox showing page after page of emails from her, copies of chats between she and I and some between her and my 9 year old daughter and 13 year old son. All my original documents of proof of my visits to be with her (passport stamps, boarding passes, hotel receipts etc). And finally about 20 used international phone cards (before I realized i would need these I threw away around 100), I have also called the phone card company and they are supposed to send me a log of where the calls on a couple of the cards went.

Ok, my questions: 30 photos enough? 20 used phone cards? 20 emails? how many chats? This binder can't hold much more!

But my most important question...my fiancee and I met while I was separated and going through a dissolution from my first wife. I of couse had to wait for the final divorce to submit the 129F. I am pretty sure my fiancee will be questioned about this. For the record, my fiancee knew about my situation from the beginning and my ex-wife also knew...she is/was very happy that I had met someone special. She and I continue to be good friends today. I am going to include in the presentation a letter to the CO explaining how we met, our relationship timeline etc. Should I just go ahead and explain that situation in the letter, or let the CO just question my fiancee about it? Sorry this was so long. Appreciate any thoughts.

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You'll be fine. Yes 30 is enough bring as much as she can hold. She must be convinced of what she is saying. And yes she can be asked about your previous marriage, they can ask her where your ex lives.

Buena suerte!

Edited by Cuchita

Our Timeline:

11/1999 - We met in Ecuador

02/05/00 - Relationship started

09/08/06 - Engaged & Pregnant!

03/13/08 - I filed for Citizenship

07/22/08 - Became US Citizen

08/02/08 - I-129F sent

08/13/08 - Case received by VSC

08/16/08 - NOA1

08/18/08 - Touched

12/18/08 - Touched again exactly 4 mos. after 1st touch!

12/18/08 - Noa2 @ 3PM-Gracias Dios Mio!

12/24/08 - NVC sent pckg. 3 to Embassy

01/02/09 - Pckg 3 rcvd. by Embassy

01/09/09 - Pckg 3 from Embassy received by beneficiary

02/09/09 - Medical exam

02/16/09 - Sent back checklist and docs required by embassy.

03/13/09 - We will fly to see Daddy Gary

03/16/09 - 1 PM Interview (Pray God he gets visa)

03/16/09 - 5PM INTERVIEW PASSED WOOHOO. Thank God.

03/25/09 - Visa on hand! he went to DHL office after phone call received.

04/18/09 - My Cuchi came, (NYC)a wonderful unbelievable moment!:)

04/20/09 - We applied for marriage licence. (Township Municipal Bldg Health Dept.)

04/23/09 - Licence on hand

04/29/09 - Applied for Social Security (He was in system!)

04/30/09 - Wedding day!!! Yeeebaa

05/07/09 - SS card in mail. "valid for work only with DHS authorization"

05/13/09 - Sent AOS paperwork.

06/16/09 - Biometrics Apptmt.

06/25/09 - EAD Card in mail!

06/26/09 - Letter saying case transfered to Cali.

08/08/09 - Residence Card in Mail! Yuuupiiiiiii.

THE END FOR 2 MORE YEARS.

I don´t need patience if I have love. Ah I que Viva mi Guayaquil Carajo!

-Cuchita-

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You'll be fine.
Nobody can EVER say this with 100% certainty. Please quit saying it!

Used phone cards prove nothing; phone logs (showing to/from whom the calls went, or at least to whom) are much better.

Let the CO question the pre-divorce meeting.

A book or binder will not fit under the Plexiglass window that separates COs from the public. Make sure that everything is looseleaf or can be removed.

Finally, and most important: If YOU are not the primary evidence that is present at the interview, or at least on the consular premises, you're playing with fire, and all of your "presentation book" efforts could be completely for naught.


06-04-2007 = TSC stamps postal return-receipt for I-129f.

06-11-2007 = NOA1 date (unknown to me).

07-20-2007 = Phoned Immigration Officer; got WAC#; where's NOA1?

09-25-2007 = Touch (first-ever).

09-28-2007 = NOA1, 23 days after their 45-day promise to send it (grrrr).

10-20 & 11-14-2007 = Phoned ImmOffs; "still pending."

12-11-2007 = 180 days; file is "between workstations, may be early Jan."; touches 12/11 & 12/12.

12-18-2007 = Call; file is with Division 9 ofcr. (bckgrnd check); e-prompt to shake it; touch.

12-19-2007 = NOA2 by e-mail & web, dated 12-18-07 (187 days; 201 per VJ); in mail 12/24/07.

01-09-2008 = File from USCIS to NVC, 1-4-08; NVC creates file, 1/15/08; to consulate 1/16/08.

01-23-2008 = Consulate gets file; outdated Packet 4 mailed to fiancee 1/27/08; rec'd 3/3/08.

04-29-2008 = Fiancee's 4-min. consular interview, 8:30 a.m.; much evidence brought but not allowed to be presented (consul: "More proof! Second interview! Bring your fiance!").

05-05-2008 = Infuriating $12 call to non-English-speaking consulate appointment-setter.

05-06-2008 = Better $12 call to English-speaker; "joint" interview date 6/30/08 (my selection).

06-30-2008 = Stokes Interrogations w/Ecuadorian (not USC); "wait 2 weeks; we'll mail her."

07-2008 = Daily calls to DOS: "currently processing"; 8/05 = Phoned consulate, got Section Chief; wrote him.

08-07-08 = E-mail from consulate, promising to issue visa "as soon as we get her passport" (on 8/12, per DHL).

08-27-08 = Phoned consulate (they "couldn't find" our file); visa DHL'd 8/28; in hand 9/1; through POE on 10/9 with NO hassles(!).

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If you can be there, especially if you are allowed in for the interview, that will be a nice plus as brother TBone has stated.

Giving them nothing but mushy love letters isn't the best thing. People don't speak that way all the time. Better to show some typical "how was your day?", etc. Chat transcripts are also good for this. Give an array of email and chat from the beginning of your relationship until present.

The phone logs are the important thing. Used cards do not prove anything.


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If you can be there, especially if you are allowed in for the interview, that will be a nice plus as brother TBone has stated.

Giving them nothing but mushy love letters isn't the best thing. People don't speak that way all the time. Better to show some typical "how was your day?", etc. Chat transcripts are also good for this. Give an array of email and chat from the beginning of your relationship until present.

The phone logs are the important thing. Used cards do not prove anything.

I am curious.....how many of you have been present to the interview??

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If you can be there, especially if you are allowed in for the interview, that will be a nice plus as brother TBone has stated.

Giving them nothing but mushy love letters isn't the best thing. People don't speak that way all the time. Better to show some typical "how was your day?", etc. Chat transcripts are also good for this. Give an array of email and chat from the beginning of your relationship until present.

The phone logs are the important thing. Used cards do not prove anything.

I am curious.....how many of you have been present to the interview??

The USC is not allowed to the interview in Moscow.


Phil (Lockport, near Chicago) and Alla (Lobnya, near Moscow)

As of Dec 7, 2009, now Zero miles apart (literally)!

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I am curious.....how many of you have been present to the interview??
An even better question is "how many petitioners were put through hell for months afterwards because they were NOT present for the interview?" Even if we're not allowed IN the interview, we can be inside the consular waiting area, or on the consular grounds, or across the street... and hand our U.S. passport to our SO when he/she goes into the interview. In short, NO ONE has regretted having been there, and many are still kicking (or cursing) themselves for NOT having been there.

06-04-2007 = TSC stamps postal return-receipt for I-129f.

06-11-2007 = NOA1 date (unknown to me).

07-20-2007 = Phoned Immigration Officer; got WAC#; where's NOA1?

09-25-2007 = Touch (first-ever).

09-28-2007 = NOA1, 23 days after their 45-day promise to send it (grrrr).

10-20 & 11-14-2007 = Phoned ImmOffs; "still pending."

12-11-2007 = 180 days; file is "between workstations, may be early Jan."; touches 12/11 & 12/12.

12-18-2007 = Call; file is with Division 9 ofcr. (bckgrnd check); e-prompt to shake it; touch.

12-19-2007 = NOA2 by e-mail & web, dated 12-18-07 (187 days; 201 per VJ); in mail 12/24/07.

01-09-2008 = File from USCIS to NVC, 1-4-08; NVC creates file, 1/15/08; to consulate 1/16/08.

01-23-2008 = Consulate gets file; outdated Packet 4 mailed to fiancee 1/27/08; rec'd 3/3/08.

04-29-2008 = Fiancee's 4-min. consular interview, 8:30 a.m.; much evidence brought but not allowed to be presented (consul: "More proof! Second interview! Bring your fiance!").

05-05-2008 = Infuriating $12 call to non-English-speaking consulate appointment-setter.

05-06-2008 = Better $12 call to English-speaker; "joint" interview date 6/30/08 (my selection).

06-30-2008 = Stokes Interrogations w/Ecuadorian (not USC); "wait 2 weeks; we'll mail her."

07-2008 = Daily calls to DOS: "currently processing"; 8/05 = Phoned consulate, got Section Chief; wrote him.

08-07-08 = E-mail from consulate, promising to issue visa "as soon as we get her passport" (on 8/12, per DHL).

08-27-08 = Phoned consulate (they "couldn't find" our file); visa DHL'd 8/28; in hand 9/1; through POE on 10/9 with NO hassles(!).

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My husband (then fiance) was present at the Consulate even though not at the interview but they knew he was there and that helped enough. TBoneTX knows what he says. We both have been through a very difficult interview process and survived because the USCwas there.

edited for typo

Edited by DanielParul

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The lovely & gracious Parul speaks the truth. She & Daniel were of great support to me during our trauma. Do not treat the consular interview lightly!


06-04-2007 = TSC stamps postal return-receipt for I-129f.

06-11-2007 = NOA1 date (unknown to me).

07-20-2007 = Phoned Immigration Officer; got WAC#; where's NOA1?

09-25-2007 = Touch (first-ever).

09-28-2007 = NOA1, 23 days after their 45-day promise to send it (grrrr).

10-20 & 11-14-2007 = Phoned ImmOffs; "still pending."

12-11-2007 = 180 days; file is "between workstations, may be early Jan."; touches 12/11 & 12/12.

12-18-2007 = Call; file is with Division 9 ofcr. (bckgrnd check); e-prompt to shake it; touch.

12-19-2007 = NOA2 by e-mail & web, dated 12-18-07 (187 days; 201 per VJ); in mail 12/24/07.

01-09-2008 = File from USCIS to NVC, 1-4-08; NVC creates file, 1/15/08; to consulate 1/16/08.

01-23-2008 = Consulate gets file; outdated Packet 4 mailed to fiancee 1/27/08; rec'd 3/3/08.

04-29-2008 = Fiancee's 4-min. consular interview, 8:30 a.m.; much evidence brought but not allowed to be presented (consul: "More proof! Second interview! Bring your fiance!").

05-05-2008 = Infuriating $12 call to non-English-speaking consulate appointment-setter.

05-06-2008 = Better $12 call to English-speaker; "joint" interview date 6/30/08 (my selection).

06-30-2008 = Stokes Interrogations w/Ecuadorian (not USC); "wait 2 weeks; we'll mail her."

07-2008 = Daily calls to DOS: "currently processing"; 8/05 = Phoned consulate, got Section Chief; wrote him.

08-07-08 = E-mail from consulate, promising to issue visa "as soon as we get her passport" (on 8/12, per DHL).

08-27-08 = Phoned consulate (they "couldn't find" our file); visa DHL'd 8/28; in hand 9/1; through POE on 10/9 with NO hassles(!).

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Guys i do belive u...in a way....but it seems like u are a bit mean.....if u were to the interview with ur fiance thats it...everybody needs to go and who doesnt go....all the paper work is for nothing.In this world there are situations and situations.Not many plp are able to travel like others....bcuz of the money ....and time also.The man spoked about many evidence....the way he got them ready for the interview....and what he gets back?''if u dont go to the interview yourself u have no chance''.Why to spoil his dreams?make him worry....maybe for nothing.

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I was at my fiancee's interview. They did not ask for any proof of an ongoing relationship.


Service Center : California Service Center

Consulate : Manila, Philippines

I-129F Sent : 2008-12-02

I-129F Receipt Notice : 2008-12-05

RFE: 2009-02-26

Approval Notice: 2009-03-13

NVC Received: 2009-03-23

Left NVC: 2009-05-12

Stuck at NVC 50 days

Interview: 2009-06-23 Passed!

Visa picked up: 2009-06-25

POE Detroit: 2009-07-04

Married: 2009-09-11

Filed for AOS: 2009-09-22

Biometrics taken: 2009-10-29

Advance Parole approved 2009-11-04

Employment Authorization approved 2009-11-04

AOS Appointment 2009-12-15

AOS Approved 2009-12-15

Green Card Received 2010-01-02

Filed for ROC: 2011-09-17

ROC approved 2012-03-21

Green Card Received 2012-03-26

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Not being mean. In the end its their interview and they live with the consequences. It is not a requirement for the USC to be present but, I can tell you that it helps immensly. Also depends on which Consulate you are going through. Might want to check if the Consulate in Panama is a easy or a difficult one.

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Hello all...for the record I absolutely WILL be at the interview with my SO...I had made that decision long before I found this website. I agree though that for some it might be very difficult to be at the interview. Unfortunately the Panama Embassy portal here is of little use as far as info...only about 4-5 people who posted about their experience. One stated the SO was quized verbally for 20 minutes. The thing I was wondering from my post is how many people here feel it is necessary to overwhelm the CO with thousands of emails and chats. Personally I doubt they would take the time to read more than a few..if that. I think one of the things I did that will work well is I copied the pages of my yahoo inbox, which shows currently 6 pages of emails from nobody and nothing but my SO...these spanning from July last year to present. Also my fiancee and I have created special little electronic "gifts" for each other using Powerpoint and word...and I have included copies of those and of e-cards we have sent each other.

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''if u dont go to the interview yourself u have no chance''
Please go back through the messages in this thread and tell us who said exactly THAT.

To the OP: Even with the lack of reports about Panama, I would err on the side of caution regarding any Latin American consulate. Bring everything that you possibly can. If your e-mail log has no automatic tally at the bottom, tally the total number of e-mails, and even break them down by month. Print those numbers on a separate page. It will look very good that you have done so. And, it's great that you will be there for the interview!


06-04-2007 = TSC stamps postal return-receipt for I-129f.

06-11-2007 = NOA1 date (unknown to me).

07-20-2007 = Phoned Immigration Officer; got WAC#; where's NOA1?

09-25-2007 = Touch (first-ever).

09-28-2007 = NOA1, 23 days after their 45-day promise to send it (grrrr).

10-20 & 11-14-2007 = Phoned ImmOffs; "still pending."

12-11-2007 = 180 days; file is "between workstations, may be early Jan."; touches 12/11 & 12/12.

12-18-2007 = Call; file is with Division 9 ofcr. (bckgrnd check); e-prompt to shake it; touch.

12-19-2007 = NOA2 by e-mail & web, dated 12-18-07 (187 days; 201 per VJ); in mail 12/24/07.

01-09-2008 = File from USCIS to NVC, 1-4-08; NVC creates file, 1/15/08; to consulate 1/16/08.

01-23-2008 = Consulate gets file; outdated Packet 4 mailed to fiancee 1/27/08; rec'd 3/3/08.

04-29-2008 = Fiancee's 4-min. consular interview, 8:30 a.m.; much evidence brought but not allowed to be presented (consul: "More proof! Second interview! Bring your fiance!").

05-05-2008 = Infuriating $12 call to non-English-speaking consulate appointment-setter.

05-06-2008 = Better $12 call to English-speaker; "joint" interview date 6/30/08 (my selection).

06-30-2008 = Stokes Interrogations w/Ecuadorian (not USC); "wait 2 weeks; we'll mail her."

07-2008 = Daily calls to DOS: "currently processing"; 8/05 = Phoned consulate, got Section Chief; wrote him.

08-07-08 = E-mail from consulate, promising to issue visa "as soon as we get her passport" (on 8/12, per DHL).

08-27-08 = Phoned consulate (they "couldn't find" our file); visa DHL'd 8/28; in hand 9/1; through POE on 10/9 with NO hassles(!).

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I would greatly appreciate a chime in from someone Kiev, Ukraine experience, please. It is unlikely, as much as I would love to be there for the interview; that I would be able to attend. I've visited in May and I will be there again in September. With some prayers on our side, we have an interview by the end of this year. In which case, I simply could not make the interview. Is there really so much weight on this being necessary?

Thank you for your consideration.


07 Dec 08 - We met.

24 May 09 - We were engaged.

04 Jun 09 - Mailed I-129F to CSC.

15 Jun 09 - NOA 1. Letter in mailbox.

22 Sept 09 - NOA 2. Letter in mailbox.

21 Oct 09 - Interview, approved.

26 Oct 09 - Visa picked up at FedEx.

1 Nov 09 - US entry.

7 Nov 09 - Wedding day.

3 Dec 09 - Mailed AOS package.

9 Dec 09 - NOA 1 for AOS, EAD, AP.

5 Jan 10 - Biometrics appointment.

5 Feb 10 - Card production ordered.

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