Question about evidence...

[bmur714 0]

Hello everyone,

Here's a quick snapshot of my situation...I traveled to the Philippines in Oct 2008 and met someone beyond my imagination...It was not until we communicated after I got back to the U.S. until we really fell for each other. We both have everything we need to start the process for the K1 but I'm not sure that it is enough...the evidence that is.

When I was in the Phils we took one picture together that's it...I don't have hotel receipts or car rental receipts. All I have is the passport stamps... So as far as the hard evidence I don't have much but I have plenty of proof of an ongoing relationship. I just can't justify traveling there and spending a lot of money just to snap more photos or save a receipt. I want to start the process now. I just don't have the extra money to be traveling there now...the next time I plan to travel there is when she's coming home with me.

So what do u guys think..should I start the process? thanks...

[haleywynne 0]

They're going to want more photos I believe. If not now, definitely at the interview stage. I really suggest you plan on making another visit there in the next few months.

For the I-129F, passport stamps are good! Do you have any kind of boarding pass or itinerary just to back it up a little more?

[defunct 0]

Well, you technically meet the meeting within 2 years requirement, so your petition will likely be approved. Photos are secondary evidence anyway, but since your evidence is sparse, you may want to include some phone records or emails. You can also submit credit card/ATM statements that will put you in the same vicinity of your fiance(e).

You will absolutely want to visit again before the interview if at all possible.

[Old Dominion 26]

You have e-mails, chat logs, phone bills, I hope. Proof that you have met in the last two years and have an ongoing relationship is all that is required at the petition stage. When it comes time for her to be interviewed, more proof of the relationship will be needed to convince the embassy that this is a sincere relationship not built upon just a few days together, and based on her hope to get a green card. She'll be asked questions about you that she may be unable to answer, if she doesn't know you all that well. Consider your next trip there as an investment in your marriage, not as a waste of money just to have more photos. After all, you DO want to be with her as much as possible, right? And get to know her beyond the puppy love stage, right?

[Dakine 26]

My fiancee was denied and the specific reason was lack of pictures with fiancee, me and her family.

It's my opinion you will be wasting your time and your fiancees time unless you make another trip and load up on pictures. I did so the second time and didn't have any problems. I made multiple trips also. Spouse visa and different lady tho.

Sorry but!

No money, No honey!!!

Edited March 21, 2009 by Haole

[defunct 0]

My fiancee was denied and the specific reason was lack of pictures with fiancee, me and her family.

It's my opinion you will be wasting your time and your fiancees time unless you make another trip and load up on pictures. I did so the second time and didn't have any problems. I made multiple trips also. Spouse visa and different lady tho.

Sorry but!

No money, No honey!!!

Your fiancee was denied at the interview, was she not? The OP's query is regarding filing the I-129F petition, for which there are different requirements.

Edited March 21, 2009 by eyoa

[bmur714 0]

Thank you everyone for responding so quickly!! Ok so for the I-129F I should meet the requirements. I do have the the airline stubs from my flight to and from there... I will plan on traveling there before the interview...so she will have plenty of photos. I have plenty of emails, chat logs, and phone records to back up that we communicate every day. So my greater concern is the interview but as far as getting the petition approved I should be ok right?

Thanks again!!!

[KimandRuss 0]

yes, if you meet the requirements of having met you can file the petition. I don't know if another trip before the interview is a necessity but it would help and even more importantly would get you more time with your fiance.

[Gary and Alla 3,696]

Hello everyone,

Here's a quick snapshot of my situation...I traveled to the Philippines in Oct 2008 and met someone beyond my imagination...It was not until we communicated after I got back to the U.S. until we really fell for each other. We both have everything we need to start the process for the K1 but I'm not sure that it is enough...the evidence that is.

When I was in the Phils we took one picture together that's it...I don't have hotel receipts or car rental receipts. All I have is the passport stamps... So as far as the hard evidence I don't have much but I have plenty of proof of an ongoing relationship. I just can't justify traveling there and spending a lot of money just to snap more photos or save a receipt. I want to start the process now. I just don't have the extra money to be traveling there now...the next time I plan to travel there is when she's coming home with me.

So what do u guys think..should I start the process? thanks...

One photo, passport stamps and boarding passes was enough for us. The I-129f petition is more or less non-specific as to country though Phillipines will eventually require more evidence than Ukraine did for visa approval. Our situation was similar, we met by chance, soent only one veening together and the rest developed afterwards. If my wife was not such a camera nut, we would have had troubles as I never would have taken the one photo. She asked the waitress in the restraunt to take our photo. You can send other evidence of relationship if you want, it can't hurt but I doubt it will make any difference for the petition.

Give a good explanation of how you met and how it developed for your answer to question 18, though even my answer for that was only two sentences.

[iLoveAPolishGirl 0]

Just to correct the following:

Proof that you have met in the last two years and have an ongoing relationship is all that is required at the petition stage. (emphasis added)

For the I 129F, only proof of having physically met at least once in the past 2 years is the requirement. No description or proof of any on-going relationship is required at the petition stage. The only time a description /proof of on-going relationship is required is if you were to be requesting a waiver of requirement of physically meeting ... and in that case you would also have to present a solid case for why such a meeting would have been an unreasonable burden.

Should any petition be denied for failing to provide proof of an on-going relationship, an appeal should be filed ASAP and the denial is pretty much guaranteed to be overturned and the petition approved. Such denials DO occur occasionally... you can find the appeal decisions online in the USCIS site, as they are publicly posted (with personal information blacked out.) Of course, such an appeal would add excessive time to the process... so.....

I can only hope that agents that deny petitions for such cause are also harshly disciplined, but, that information is not available that I could find...

dvc

Edited March 22, 2009 by iLoveAPolishGirl

[John and Camie 39]

If my wife was not such a camera nut, we would have had troubles as I never would have taken the one photo.

LOL!! Reminds me of my John, always wanting to take pictures. I can't tell you how many times I begged him not to take any, but that was before we thought of marriage ... when it came time to submit our petition, omigod was I happy he had been so camera crazy. You just never know!!

To the OP - welcome from another newbie! My suggestion is to include one or two letters from family, etc. who can vouch for having met your fiancée. I included a letter from a coworker who met John, and my sweet mother, who is in love with him (but she can't have him, he's mine! Hahaha).

Hope this helps, and GOOD LUCK!!

[pushbrk 14,471]

Just to correct the following:

Proof that you have met in the last two years and have an ongoing relationship is all that is required at the petition stage. (emphasis added)

For the I 129F, only proof of having physically met at least once in the past 2 years is the requirement. No description or proof of any on-going relationship is required at the petition stage. The only time a description /proof of on-going relationship is required is if you were to be requesting a waiver of requirement of physically meeting ... and in that case you would also have to present a solid case for why such a meeting would have been an unreasonable burden.

Should any petition be denied for failing to provide proof of an on-going relationship, an appeal should be filed ASAP and the denial is pretty much guaranteed to be overturned and the petition approved. Such denials DO occur occasionally... you can find the appeal decisions online in the USCIS site, as they are publicly posted (with personal information blacked out.) Of course, such an appeal would add excessive time to the process... so.....

I can only hope that agents that deny petitions for such cause are also harshly disciplined, but, that information is not available that I could find...

dvc

While that is entirely correct in K1 cases, there are times when it is wise to provide more than is required, particularly when there are red flags to address. It's what we've recently been referring to as "front-loading" the petition. I'd say the majority, maybe even a large majority of cases have no need for fron-loading but the ones that do, do.

[bmur714 0]

I seem to have plenty of re-assurance that the petition will be approved with what I have. I know that for the interview I will need more evidence and that won't be an issue by then.

Thanks again for everyone's responses and comments!!

[ThaitoUSA 15]

I am a supporter of front-loading in light of stories of additional evidence being provided by the beneficiary at the interview but not being accepted by the interviewing officer. Phone records, photos, emails, etc. were all brought to the interview as required but would not be looked at.

If the petitioner front-loads the I-129F petition with at least a sampling of photos, emails, phone records, etc. and the petition is approved, the interviewing officer must accept those pieces of evidence.

As pushbrk has stated, this is not necessary in all cases, but it certainly could do no harm to include.

[WROCLAW 0]

They're going to want more photos I believe. If not now, definitely at the interview stage. I really suggest you plan on making another visit there in the next few months.

For the I-129F, passport stamps are good! Do you have any kind of boarding pass or itinerary just to back it up a little more?

yes, this is correct.