Whether to include western union receipts in evidence of relationship

[Love's JAA 100]

I have heard mixed opinions from other sources about including copies of receipts of financial contributions to our fiancee in the evidence of relationship. Someone said it is evidence of the relationship because of the financial cost that I incurred on my fiancee's behalf. Someone else suggested that it might be construed that she is conning me or that I am trying to buy her. This is what I have done so far:

My fiancee had taken out an usurious loan in order to pay for her move from the Philippines to Dubai for a job. Though it was a significant amount, it was a much greater burden in her relative financial state than to me. She didn't even tell me about it, I had learned of it from her friend. After much discussion, she had refused my offer repeatedly, she finally allowed me to pay it off. The lender was charging 10% interest PER MONTH! I also sent her funds to buy a laptop computer and to get internet in her living quarters. She had always gone to an internet cafe, and often she was there rather late and it wasn't entirely safe. From this I have been able to communicate more frequently with her. I also sent her a smaller amount to help her with her parents transfer fee as they had certain real estate retitled in their name from the grandparents. Lastly I sent her cash as a Christmas gift since she until just now had no mailing address to send a gift. She just opened a p.o. box last week. All of these contributions were made by Western Union for which I have the receipts of the transfers. The total of all is around $3,500.

Please let me know if you think that I should include any, all, or none of these contributions-receipts in with my evidence of relationship.

Thank you.

[Hank_ 9,174]

You are not in that boat alone, I am sure there are many that have helped there Fiancee over time, I know I have. Not sure if it worth including as evidence or not, I hadn't planned on it, but if you do you don't need to include "everything".

[Rara & Chym 3]

I have heard mixed opinions from other sources about including copies of receipts of financial contributions to our fiancee in the evidence of relationship. Someone said it is evidence of the relationship because of the financial cost that I incurred on my fiancee's behalf. Someone else suggested that it might be construed that she is conning me or that I am trying to buy her. This is what I have done so far:

My fiancee had taken out an usurious loan in order to pay for her move from the Philippines to Dubai for a job. Though it was a significant amount, it was a much greater burden in her relative financial state than to me. She didn't even tell me about it, I had learned of it from her friend. After much discussion, she had refused my offer repeatedly, she finally allowed me to pay it off. The lender was charging 10% interest PER MONTH! I also sent her funds to buy a laptop computer and to get internet in her living quarters. She had always gone to an internet cafe, and often she was there rather late and it wasn't entirely safe. From this I have been able to communicate more frequently with her. I also sent her a smaller amount to help her with her parents transfer fee as they had certain real estate retitled in their name from the grandparents. Lastly I sent her cash as a Christmas gift since she until just now had no mailing address to send a gift. She just opened a p.o. box last week. All of these contributions were made by Western Union for which I have the receipts of the transfers. The total of all is around $3,500.

Please let me know if you think that I should include any, all, or none of these contributions-receipts in with my evidence of relationship.

Thank you.

When we filed the I-129F, we included photocopy of all the western union receipts. It doesn't hurt if you will do the same.

[NoneYa 73]

Has anybody on this site ever gotten turned down for submitting Western Union receipts? I doubt it.

I am going to stick my neck out here because I have read through many of these discussions, talked with people who got approved after they submitted receipts. In any case where the woman is less advantaged, the man is going to send money.

It's not so much about the Western Union. It's about the overall relationship. If you send money and she doesn't speak the same language as you and you have an interpreter, your going to get denied anyway. Likewise, if you have little evidence... IT IS ALL ABOUT YOUR TOTAL PROOF. Not about the money you send. If any reasonable person can see you have a bonified relationship, don't be concerned with the receipts so much.

If I was a CO, I would deny you if you didn't send any money because they want to know that you are care about the woman and will take care of them. I think if someone was going to harm a woman, he wouldn't send her money.

Good luck. Our interview is coming up and we will submit some receipts like others have to. This is based on the Philippine Embassy. I am unfamilar with others.

[TBoneTX 47,548]

I disagree wholeheartedly with the previous respondents. Including money-sending receipts can backfire. The CO at the visa interview can accuse either party of "buying" the relationship. The receipts open cans of worms that are best left sealed.

Receipts like that aren't primary evidence of meeting (for the I-129F petition) or good evidence of bona fide relationship (for the visa interview).

If you're that fond of the receipts, take them with you to the consular interview, but avoid producing them unless you're directly asked.

[Tim/Mav 305]

I disagree wholeheartedly with the previous respondents. Including money-sending receipts can backfire. The CO at the visa interview can accuse either party of "buying" the relationship. The receipts open cans of worms that are best left sealed.

Receipts like that aren't primary evidence of meeting (for the I-129F petition) or good evidence of bona fide relationship (for the visa interview).

If you're that fond of the receipts, take them with you to the consular interview, but avoid producing them unless you're directly asked.

I understand what T-Bone is saying. Like your sending Aid .

But, there is a different way of looking at it. Birthdays, Valentines Day. Western Union Reciepts have a date and will Correspond for the reason THE GIFT was sent. Cheaper than Mailing a Present International. What theGift was for on the reciept. The dates will line-up.

[acuratlsd 11]

I put my Western Union in my evidence file because the dates on my Western Union dates me for when I was in the Philippines.

I had my parents wire me some money to the Philippines, even though my name was on the receiving end, it will also show proof I was there in the country.

That would be good evidence, but sending the women money to help support her doesn't mean anything. Just means you are supporting her.

On going evidence would be like birthday cards, photos, skype or yahoo messages, calls.

You can't really do phone calls these days since calling to America to Philippines is 18 cents a minuet give or take. Skype or yahoo is the way to go.

Back in the day they had no choice but to submit the phone records because the technology wasn't there.

[Love's JAA 100]

Thanks for all your replies.

[fullyawake 2]

lol, how do you prove you talked on Skype???? Good luck.. The way to go is Globe super idd.. in the Philippines.. 2000 pesos a month and your fiancée can call UNLIMITED anywhere in the world. Her calls will show up on your phone records.

Edited September 11, 2012 by fullyawake

[C-ma'am 684]

This is specific of some consulates.

The USEM in Argentina, for some reason, includes money transfers receipts as possible proof of on going relationship and I believe Philippines does the same; however, as others mentioned, to other USEMs this can raise some eyebrows, and even be considered as a "business" transaction.

[L+T 71]

I understand what T-Bone is saying. Like your sending Aid .

But, there is a different way of looking at it. Birthdays, Valentines Day. Western Union Reciepts have a date and will Correspond for the reason THE GIFT was sent. Cheaper than Mailing a Present International. What theGift was for on the reciept. The dates will line-up.

Gotta wonder how your dates are lining up... did your NOA2 expire, or was the visa issued?

[Gary and Alla 3,696]

I have heard mixed opinions from other sources about including copies of receipts of financial contributions to our fiancee in the evidence of relationship. Someone said it is evidence of the relationship because of the financial cost that I incurred on my fiancee's behalf. Someone else suggested that it might be construed that she is conning me or that I am trying to buy her. This is what I have done so far:

My fiancee had taken out an usurious loan in order to pay for her move from the Philippines to Dubai for a job. Though it was a significant amount, it was a much greater burden in her relative financial state than to me. She didn't even tell me about it, I had learned of it from her friend. After much discussion, she had refused my offer repeatedly, she finally allowed me to pay it off. The lender was charging 10% interest PER MONTH! I also sent her funds to buy a laptop computer and to get internet in her living quarters. She had always gone to an internet cafe, and often she was there rather late and it wasn't entirely safe. From this I have been able to communicate more frequently with her. I also sent her a smaller amount to help her with her parents transfer fee as they had certain real estate retitled in their name from the grandparents. Lastly I sent her cash as a Christmas gift since she until just now had no mailing address to send a gift. She just opened a p.o. box last week. All of these contributions were made by Western Union for which I have the receipts of the transfers. The total of all is around $3,500.

Please let me know if you think that I should include any, all, or none of these contributions-receipts in with my evidence of relationship.

Thank you.

I say NO. It is at best benign evidence, at worst it is a red flag in some consulates. I am sure you have something better, use that.

[L+T 71]

I say NO. It is at best benign evidence, at worst it is a red flag in some consulates. I am sure you have something better, use that.

Good point, also on tha affadavit of support you can declare how you will support your fiance. List here, purchase plane ticket, provide medical expense, pay for school, live at your home as fiancee, provide money for english classes, pay for foreign driver license etc... This is much better than showing money transfer receipts as it puts a reasonable expense with each listing.