The cat rant and rave

[HannahP 119]

^ What would you do if your hypothetical daughter wanted to become a doctor? Or a police officer? Or a lawyer? What if she preferred wearing jeans to skirts?

[Martyshk 137]

You know, one thing I noticed about all of this...the whole convo thingy here: you are talking about russian (and ukranian) women and how they are, but in fact, I don't believe anyone involved in this discussion is (and I might be mistaken too):

1. russian/ukranian

2. russian/ukranian woman

3. has lived in russia/ukraine for about 10-20 years, including the Soviet Union times

So how about this - stop making assumptions and sh~t, lot of what you guys are saying is empty rhetoric.

[baron555 934]

That's a personal attack. I won't tolerate that level of insult again. Mods should have a heads up if it continues.

See.....all this trouble caused by one little cat. That's why I don't like them (they are cute when they are kittens) and why I am a dog person.

I did bring over their little dog but my RW ate all the cost since that was her last minute decision (we were planning on bringing the dog over next summer).

And.....the little princess does expect me to wait on her hand and paw and even wants to kick me out of my own bed.

So, yes, the Russian Female is VERY DEMANDING !!!!!!!!!

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

You know, one thing I noticed about all of this...the whole convo thingy here: you are talking about russian (and ukranian) women and how they are, but in fact, I don't believe anyone involved in this discussion is (and I might be mistaken too):

1. russian/ukranian

2. russian/ukranian woman

3. has lived in russia/ukraine for about 10-20 years, including the Soviet Union times

So how about this - stop making assumptions and sh~t, lot of what you guys are saying is empty rhetoric.

You left out "Belarusian"

[HannahP 119]

LOL.

I too think you're bitter. I'll go one better and say you're a misogynist who paints the world with the widest possible brush in order to justify his very narrow world view.

Report button's on your left.

[visaveteran 0]

Mox, good for you. Sit comfortably and in the full safety of your computer room and run off at the mouth about me to your heart's content...you funny little left winger, you.

I have no issue with you because I've seen your many many posts and expect you're omnipotent view of things. Your self-righteousness. Your quick to judge biases. And I have gone at it with you enough to be immune to you. And you had the self-discipline to not imply I hurt my wife and family, or involve them in this discussion.

An outsider, drive by cheap shot artist, has not earned the right to call me insults and imply I hurt my wife. That's way over the line and I will report it if it happens again. That's a promise.

[visaveteran 0]

You know, one thing I noticed about all of this...the whole convo thingy here: you are talking about russian (and ukranian) women and how they are, but in fact, I don't believe anyone involved in this discussion is (and I might be mistaken too):

1. russian/ukranian

2. russian/ukranian woman

3. has lived in russia/ukraine for about 10-20 years, including the Soviet Union times

So how about this - stop making assumptions and sh~t, lot of what you guys are saying is empty rhetoric.

That's hard to argue with, and you are the current leading representative of Russian men on the forum. You are the expert.

I'd like to hear what you have to say about the state of things between men and women in today's Russian culture...especially with interest in women who lived under communism and outside the Moscow or St. Petersburg areas. I ask this in the context of the current discussion.

Can you help us less informed posters? I'd really like to hear from you.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

You seem very intent on what you perceive that MEN want from a woman...

Sex, sex, and more sex.

[SMR 368]

I guess I come off as trolling but I've been around VJ for many years & have always (in the past) enjoyed the RU forum. I like learning about the quirks of other cultures, and this is often a recurring theme in the RU forum. (MENA, too, which I also enjoy reading for that same reason.) Ya'all have always had your share of anti-American women hating men. Hell, I totally get the desire to have a traditional marriage and even the idea that you have to go overseas to find the right bride. But it seems like this entire forum, which used to be so diverse in its opinions, has been taken over by people like VV who advocate beating their wives. Shouldn't variety be the spice of life? The bitterness makes me sad because I remember the way this forum used to be.

However, my main argument is that YOUR argument goes both ways. I have a man that does not even nominally cook, clean, or take care of himself. When we were originally living together, he did his fair share. But during the wait for his gc/ead, where I was working full-time, going to school full-time, and also taking care of the house and cooking everything -- I should have put my foot down somewhere. I now have a man who has gained 100+ lbs (yes, even overweight men are capable of looking gross), refuses to even boil water, and crows for weeks because he took out the garbage once. And I married a liberated, feminist Canadian man.

This whole subforum has become its own little enclave with posters acting like their thoughts/ideas/actions are somehow different because they married a RU woman. That's not true.

I feel like there is a lot of diversity here. But we all also have something in common. We all married people from the FSU. If you wanted expressions of love for California girls, you probably came to the wrong place.

Sounds like the problem is that you married a liberated, feminist Canadian man. Should have married a real man.

[Martyshk 137]

That's hard to argue with, and you are the current leading representative of Russian men on the forum. You are the expert.

I'd like to hear what you have to say about the state of things between men and women in today's Russian culture...especially with interest in women who lived under communism and outside the Moscow or St. Petersburg areas. I ask this in the context of the current discussion.

Can you help us less informed posters? I'd really like to hear from you.

The reason I have not voiced my opinion much on this is because no matter how you spin it - it will be subjective. Subjective to personal experiences and what one saw around him/her while growing up, maturing, when the SUnion fell apart.

Basically, from what I've always seen it: Russian (let's just generalize all three nations into one for just this one instance, because mentality is the same) women are not submissive, they are not doormats. They are just smart about what they want and what they need. Yes, they can do everything on their own (and they do it, if they have to), but the main position is: if a man can do it, who should I. They expect us to handle certain things in life: providing for the family (well, that changes once they move to U.S.). Damn, I don't even know, there's so much stuff brewing in my head at the moment, about how things are and aren't.

I guess the most important thing for me is: they let a man be a man, and not just let - they encourage it, instead of emasculating feminism trends that seem to be more common in America.

I am not generalizing. Everyone's different and everyone's situation is unique and special.

[visaveteran 0]

Sex, sex, and more sex.

Clear, succinct, and profound.

[Susita 175]

Wow I can't believe I missed this thread. It's super interesting.

I must have missed it while I was berating my husband and eating Mickey D's while shopping at WalMart.

BTW one of my good friends is a Russian, and if any man tried to put his hands on her she'd beat the everloving sh*t out of him. Just FYI.

[missmissy 38]

Wow I can't believe I missed this thread. It's super interesting.

I must have missed it while I was berating my husband and eating Mickey D's while shopping at WalMart.

BTW one of my good friends is a Russian, and if any man tried to put his hands on her she'd beat the everloving sh*t out of him. Just FYI.

My husband's exwife is Russian and I agree! She is super scary!

[Ban Hammer 14,574]

one personal attack removed, one post quoting it removed. global notified for action.

refrain from personal attacks. i've seen more in here, although not to the level of the one rendered invisible.

[Kathryn41 3,205]

Thread closed for review.

After review I am keeping this topic closed. It has gone grievously off topic for a number of pages in addition to generating some racial stereotyping comments and insults. These are unnecessary in any discussion as well as being violations of TOS.

Edited January 6, 2010 by Kathryn41