ValerieA

Yes, there are. And that's their own problem. We are simply trying to answer questions in that forum that people new to the process are asking. Judgment really doesn't help them, and is totally inappropriate. The current methods of dealing with it, or not, really, allow people to be scared away who may then make an error in their paperwork or process that could get them denied and deported. Plus, I would rather spend my limited time helping people rather than trying to convince others who have no darned business commenting that they have something wrong.

But it is allowed whether or not there was intent - which is often where a thread gets derailed. We end up explaining the same thing, over and over and over, thread after thread. I try to report posts that have nothing to do with the OP's questions, but I am not often on VJ these days. I have found the mods to be very responsive at those times, though, which is much appreciated.
Two things I'd like to see - first, renaming the two AOS forums so people don't post in the wrong one. I think that would cut out a substantial portion. Secondly, repeat offenders should be forum-banned. There are certain people who do like proselytizing in the AOS from non-family based visas on occasion. I think if there were a certain number of reports, that resulted in their comment being deleted, they should be banned temporarily, then permanently, from the forum.

Hey Moderators,
Time to close this thread. OP got his answers. Now, it's just people telling him to go home.

Sorry, Penguin, I was away for the weekend. I would say "AOS From K-Visas" so it includes K-2 and whatnot, also. I think I have that right - K-2 also requires AOS, right? And the forum in question could be something like "AOS From Non-K Visas/ESTA/VWP" or the same as it is now, but including ESTA/VWP in it. The important thing is to get the word "family" out of there because that really confuses people.
Regarding the rewording, this part is not true.
If your fiance/fiancee came to the US on a tourist visa with the intent of immigration and marriage, and you are not yet married, then he/she should return to his/her home abroad, and the K-1 visa should be filed (using an I-129f) instead of the I-130 to avoid a denial, deportation, or even being banned from re-entry to the US.
If you are already married, and your spouse came to the US on a tourist visa with the intent of immigration and marriage, then he/she should return to his/her home abroad, and the I-130 (or along with an I-129f for a K-3 Visa) should be filed with the relative outside of the U.S. to avoid denial, deportation, or even being banned from re-entry to the US.
To make it accurate and informative, it should be more along the lines of:
Your fiance/fiancee can not come to the US on a tourist visa with the intent of immigration and marriage. This constitutes visa fraud. The K-1 visa should be filed (using an I-129f) to avoid a denial at customs and deportation.
If you are already married, your spouse can not come to the US on a tourist visa with the intent of immigration and marriage. This constitutes visa fraud. An I-130 for the CR-1 visa should be filed with the relative outside of the U.S. to avoid a denial at customs and deportation.
You could also include links to the appropriate guide in each section. As it stands, once the spouse is in the US they have been judged to not have immigrant intent, so they are fine to file AOS. In fact, once a person comes on here and we have established their spouse is in the US, we should not ever even ask about intent.
Do you guys think we should include a paragraph about possible consequences of lying to a border guard or USCIS official? Or is that overkill?

I suggested this a few years ago, but it didn't go anywhere. Maybe make it more specific - AOS From K-1, K-3 Visas; AOS From Non-K Visas. The issue is people see the word "family" and think it applies to them because they are adjusting based on marriage. If a person is AOSing from a K visa, they KNOW that. Our forum tends more to the people who have little to no knowledge of the immigration process.
Penguin, I know that you can't forum-ban right now. I just wish you could. Is it technically possible? Or am I just tilting at windmills?

But it is allowed whether or not there was intent - which is often where a thread gets derailed. We end up explaining the same thing, over and over and over, thread after thread. I try to report posts that have nothing to do with the OP's questions, but I am not often on VJ these days. I have found the mods to be very responsive at those times, though, which is much appreciated.
Two things I'd like to see - first, renaming the two AOS forums so people don't post in the wrong one. I think that would cut out a substantial portion. Secondly, repeat offenders should be forum-banned. There are certain people who do like proselytizing in the AOS from non-family based visas on occasion. I think if there were a certain number of reports, that resulted in their comment being deleted, they should be banned temporarily, then permanently, from the forum.

Sorry, Penguin, I was away for the weekend. I would say "AOS From K-Visas" so it includes K-2 and whatnot, also. I think I have that right - K-2 also requires AOS, right? And the forum in question could be something like "AOS From Non-K Visas/ESTA/VWP" or the same as it is now, but including ESTA/VWP in it. The important thing is to get the word "family" out of there because that really confuses people.
Regarding the rewording, this part is not true.
If your fiance/fiancee came to the US on a tourist visa with the intent of immigration and marriage, and you are not yet married, then he/she should return to his/her home abroad, and the K-1 visa should be filed (using an I-129f) instead of the I-130 to avoid a denial, deportation, or even being banned from re-entry to the US.
If you are already married, and your spouse came to the US on a tourist visa with the intent of immigration and marriage, then he/she should return to his/her home abroad, and the I-130 (or along with an I-129f for a K-3 Visa) should be filed with the relative outside of the U.S. to avoid denial, deportation, or even being banned from re-entry to the US.
To make it accurate and informative, it should be more along the lines of:
Your fiance/fiancee can not come to the US on a tourist visa with the intent of immigration and marriage. This constitutes visa fraud. The K-1 visa should be filed (using an I-129f) to avoid a denial at customs and deportation.
If you are already married, your spouse can not come to the US on a tourist visa with the intent of immigration and marriage. This constitutes visa fraud. An I-130 for the CR-1 visa should be filed with the relative outside of the U.S. to avoid a denial at customs and deportation.
You could also include links to the appropriate guide in each section. As it stands, once the spouse is in the US they have been judged to not have immigrant intent, so they are fine to file AOS. In fact, once a person comes on here and we have established their spouse is in the US, we should not ever even ask about intent.
Do you guys think we should include a paragraph about possible consequences of lying to a border guard or USCIS official? Or is that overkill?

I like Val's wording, let me run it by Captain Ewok and see if that is ok.

Yes, there are. And that's their own problem. We are simply trying to answer questions in that forum that people new to the process are asking. Judgment really doesn't help them, and is totally inappropriate. The current methods of dealing with it, or not, really, allow people to be scared away who may then make an error in their paperwork or process that could get them denied and deported. Plus, I would rather spend my limited time helping people rather than trying to convince others who have no darned business commenting that they have something wrong.

But it is allowed whether or not there was intent - which is often where a thread gets derailed. We end up explaining the same thing, over and over and over, thread after thread. I try to report posts that have nothing to do with the OP's questions, but I am not often on VJ these days. I have found the mods to be very responsive at those times, though, which is much appreciated.
Two things I'd like to see - first, renaming the two AOS forums so people don't post in the wrong one. I think that would cut out a substantial portion. Secondly, repeat offenders should be forum-banned. There are certain people who do like proselytizing in the AOS from non-family based visas on occasion. I think if there were a certain number of reports, that resulted in their comment being deleted, they should be banned temporarily, then permanently, from the forum.

I had a CR-1 in the pipeline when my husband and I decided to AOS instead. It was not an issue at all.
And Hypnos is correct, there is no 30/60/90 day rule. This has been widely discussed on this forum ad nauseum.

Sorry, Penguin, I was away for the weekend. I would say "AOS From K-Visas" so it includes K-2 and whatnot, also. I think I have that right - K-2 also requires AOS, right? And the forum in question could be something like "AOS From Non-K Visas/ESTA/VWP" or the same as it is now, but including ESTA/VWP in it. The important thing is to get the word "family" out of there because that really confuses people.
Regarding the rewording, this part is not true.
If your fiance/fiancee came to the US on a tourist visa with the intent of immigration and marriage, and you are not yet married, then he/she should return to his/her home abroad, and the K-1 visa should be filed (using an I-129f) instead of the I-130 to avoid a denial, deportation, or even being banned from re-entry to the US.
If you are already married, and your spouse came to the US on a tourist visa with the intent of immigration and marriage, then he/she should return to his/her home abroad, and the I-130 (or along with an I-129f for a K-3 Visa) should be filed with the relative outside of the U.S. to avoid denial, deportation, or even being banned from re-entry to the US.
To make it accurate and informative, it should be more along the lines of:
Your fiance/fiancee can not come to the US on a tourist visa with the intent of immigration and marriage. This constitutes visa fraud. The K-1 visa should be filed (using an I-129f) to avoid a denial at customs and deportation.
If you are already married, your spouse can not come to the US on a tourist visa with the intent of immigration and marriage. This constitutes visa fraud. An I-130 for the CR-1 visa should be filed with the relative outside of the U.S. to avoid a denial at customs and deportation.
You could also include links to the appropriate guide in each section. As it stands, once the spouse is in the US they have been judged to not have immigrant intent, so they are fine to file AOS. In fact, once a person comes on here and we have established their spouse is in the US, we should not ever even ask about intent.
Do you guys think we should include a paragraph about possible consequences of lying to a border guard or USCIS official? Or is that overkill?

Yes, they may. As long as the border guard has let a person into the country, they have judged that person to not have immigrant intent - or else they would have not let them into the country...
It happens that people come for a visit, circumstances change, and they decide to stay with their spouse. That's why there is an AOS option. It doesn't mean they didn't know the terms and conditions of a B2/VWP/whatever. It simply means that circumstances changed.

Sorry, Penguin, I was away for the weekend. I would say "AOS From K-Visas" so it includes K-2 and whatnot, also. I think I have that right - K-2 also requires AOS, right? And the forum in question could be something like "AOS From Non-K Visas/ESTA/VWP" or the same as it is now, but including ESTA/VWP in it. The important thing is to get the word "family" out of there because that really confuses people.
Regarding the rewording, this part is not true.
If your fiance/fiancee came to the US on a tourist visa with the intent of immigration and marriage, and you are not yet married, then he/she should return to his/her home abroad, and the K-1 visa should be filed (using an I-129f) instead of the I-130 to avoid a denial, deportation, or even being banned from re-entry to the US.
If you are already married, and your spouse came to the US on a tourist visa with the intent of immigration and marriage, then he/she should return to his/her home abroad, and the I-130 (or along with an I-129f for a K-3 Visa) should be filed with the relative outside of the U.S. to avoid denial, deportation, or even being banned from re-entry to the US.
To make it accurate and informative, it should be more along the lines of:
Your fiance/fiancee can not come to the US on a tourist visa with the intent of immigration and marriage. This constitutes visa fraud. The K-1 visa should be filed (using an I-129f) to avoid a denial at customs and deportation.
If you are already married, your spouse can not come to the US on a tourist visa with the intent of immigration and marriage. This constitutes visa fraud. An I-130 for the CR-1 visa should be filed with the relative outside of the U.S. to avoid a denial at customs and deportation.
You could also include links to the appropriate guide in each section. As it stands, once the spouse is in the US they have been judged to not have immigrant intent, so they are fine to file AOS. In fact, once a person comes on here and we have established their spouse is in the US, we should not ever even ask about intent.
Do you guys think we should include a paragraph about possible consequences of lying to a border guard or USCIS official? Or is that overkill?

But it is allowed whether or not there was intent - which is often where a thread gets derailed. We end up explaining the same thing, over and over and over, thread after thread. I try to report posts that have nothing to do with the OP's questions, but I am not often on VJ these days. I have found the mods to be very responsive at those times, though, which is much appreciated.
Two things I'd like to see - first, renaming the two AOS forums so people don't post in the wrong one. I think that would cut out a substantial portion. Secondly, repeat offenders should be forum-banned. There are certain people who do like proselytizing in the AOS from non-family based visas on occasion. I think if there were a certain number of reports, that resulted in their comment being deleted, they should be banned temporarily, then permanently, from the forum.

But it is allowed whether or not there was intent - which is often where a thread gets derailed. We end up explaining the same thing, over and over and over, thread after thread. I try to report posts that have nothing to do with the OP's questions, but I am not often on VJ these days. I have found the mods to be very responsive at those times, though, which is much appreciated.
Two things I'd like to see - first, renaming the two AOS forums so people don't post in the wrong one. I think that would cut out a substantial portion. Secondly, repeat offenders should be forum-banned. There are certain people who do like proselytizing in the AOS from non-family based visas on occasion. I think if there were a certain number of reports, that resulted in their comment being deleted, they should be banned temporarily, then permanently, from the forum.

Dammit, I've been doing it all wrong.

I do appreciate the job the mods do. You have all been very responsive to reports of trouble in a forum thread, and you are fair.
Do you really want my opinion on the guide for AOSing from a non-family visa? I think the warning is inflammatory. And incorrect. I have stated multiple times that it should be, at the very least, reworded.

Yes, there are. And that's their own problem. We are simply trying to answer questions in that forum that people new to the process are asking. Judgment really doesn't help them, and is totally inappropriate. The current methods of dealing with it, or not, really, allow people to be scared away who may then make an error in their paperwork or process that could get them denied and deported. Plus, I would rather spend my limited time helping people rather than trying to convince others who have no darned business commenting that they have something wrong.

Dammit, I've been doing it all wrong.

Dammit, I've been doing it all wrong.

Crack was present. The charge can't be dismissed. If he says it was planted he will still have to prove that. That's why we have a justice system.
If the suspect wasn't resisting, regardless of the crime, it's excessive force. I'm not in favor of summary beatings administered by law enforcement. It's not their mandate.

We' are CEHST forum participants. Of course we are supposed to judge and ridicule them.

Yes, there are. And that's their own problem. We are simply trying to answer questions in that forum that people new to the process are asking. Judgment really doesn't help them, and is totally inappropriate. The current methods of dealing with it, or not, really, allow people to be scared away who may then make an error in their paperwork or process that could get them denied and deported. Plus, I would rather spend my limited time helping people rather than trying to convince others who have no darned business commenting that they have something wrong.

But it is allowed whether or not there was intent - which is often where a thread gets derailed. We end up explaining the same thing, over and over and over, thread after thread. I try to report posts that have nothing to do with the OP's questions, but I am not often on VJ these days. I have found the mods to be very responsive at those times, though, which is much appreciated.
Two things I'd like to see - first, renaming the two AOS forums so people don't post in the wrong one. I think that would cut out a substantial portion. Secondly, repeat offenders should be forum-banned. There are certain people who do like proselytizing in the AOS from non-family based visas on occasion. I think if there were a certain number of reports, that resulted in their comment being deleted, they should be banned temporarily, then permanently, from the forum.