RedaAd

7 minutes ago, RedaAd said:

Also how was his English level at that time ?

Also how was his English level at that time ?

Thanks about this suggestion, but we really have no choice except waiting and see how this might go.

Was your spouse working at that time and is he having a good education level and did he have any passport stamps to other countries etc or anything that would remove suspicion that he is not after GC ?

It would very help me to learn from your experience, what happened at the interview day and did you have proper evidence ?

42 minutes ago, h02ejmajja said:

(my husband is from Mohammedia too). A K1 is hard call in Morocco - it can either go fine, or not go well at all. USCIS does not post statistics on how many visas are not approved, but very few K1s are issued. We had an unapproved K1 years ago. Another frustrating thing that most people encounter is that there is NO requirement - NONE! - for them to look at ANYTHING you bring to the interview. So even if your fiance had been with you for a year, it could still be denied because you submitted after 1 visit. Getting married in Mohammedia isnt that awful - we did it in 5 days after our K1 disaster, and my husband has been in the US over 4 years now. 

Also how was his English level at that time ?

30 minutes ago, h02ejmajja said:

(my husband is from Mohammedia too). A K1 is hard call in Morocco - it can either go fine, or not go well at all. USCIS does not post statistics on how many visas are not approved, but very few K1s are issued. We had an unapproved K1 years ago. Another frustrating thing that most people encounter is that there is NO requirement - NONE! - for them to look at ANYTHING you bring to the interview. So even if your fiance had been with you for a year, it could still be denied because you submitted after 1 visit. Getting married in Mohammedia isnt that awful - we did it in 5 days after our K1 disaster, and my husband has been in the US over 4 years now. 

Thanks about this suggestion, but we really have no choice except waiting and see how this might go.

Was your spouse working at that time and is he having a good education level and did he have any passport stamps to other countries etc or anything that would remove suspicion that he is not after GC ?

18 minutes ago, JeanneAdil said:

 

Casa embassy is familiar with traditional wedding celebration and it will be "too married for a K1"

Yeah exactly, that is why it is not going to be a wedding and there won't be any imame, just me and my family, sisters and mother and maybe a best friend, there won't be any wedding dresses, just normal cool Moroccan clothing and not so many people, maximum 6 persons, I think that should be okay, if you still think that's risky then I'd better just avoid it and have pictures with my family together enjoying ourselves somewhere.

 

That is flirting with a K1 denial

 

and important to add 

If approved a K1,   don't think to marry or have a celebration  in Moroc / a visa can and has been revoked (mississippi woman tried this)

 

allah yekbel

Okay, sounds good, I will avoid doing that then. Thanks for the advice, you don't know how much this really helps. 

6 minutes ago, RedaAd said:

Not really we just don't know what's going to happen by then... 

Also thanks a lot for all the information, yes we both checked the rapid visa application thoughtfully to avoid any mistakes, and we are glad also rapid visa staff were able to help us clear some mistakes, which was really good and helpful.

Thanks a lot, I really appreciated your feedback, I also know a lot about her so I won't be having any hesitation to answer the officer's questions.

5 minutes ago, JeanneAdil said:

OP  statement  "she will come to Morocco again this summer to meet and be together for 2 weeks and have a traditional morocco ceremony, because the Moroccan embassy familiar that it is important for us to do that and it is not regarded as actual marriage, "

 

Casa embassy is familiar with traditional wedding celebration and it will be "too married for a K1"

Yeah exactly, that is why it is not going to be a wedding and there won't be any imame, just me and my family, sisters and mother and maybe a best friend, there won't be any wedding dresses, just normal cool Moroccan clothing and not so many people, maximum 6 persons, I think that should be okay, if you still think that's risky then I'd better just avoid it and have pictures with my family together enjoying ourselves somewhere.

4 minutes ago, PaulaCJohnny said:

So, just to see if I’m understanding correctly. You love is real and your relationship is real but she will don’t want to wait more time if the K-1 is denied?

 

Not really we just don't know what's going to happen by then... 

27 minutes ago, Jorgedig said:

If that is the case, OP is misinformed.   K-1 is certainly not faster.

No, I know for a fact that that's not the case, thank you for heads-up just in case it was the case.

3 hours ago, RedaAd said:

Currently since the day we met each other its been 6 years now, we have been in a relationship for two years and this is going to be the third year now... She got the courage to come visit me as I tried to go visit her two times during the first two years in relationship and I got my tourist visa denied by Casablanca Embassy and then she decided to come visit me and we spent two weeks together and had many pictures together and traveled bunch of cities in Morocco while I was driving, I took care of most of the planning and reservations...

Keep in mind that we have been sending each other a lot of gifts during these two years 2020-2022 and I have been able to speak to her mother via chat and I was able to take her name to the top of mount Toubkal and send her pictures of that to show her how much I love her... anyway after her visit last year, we decided for K1 later on.

Filing the i129f, we did use Rapid Visa to avoid any administrative error and we made sure to include as many pictures we have had and gifts we sent each other and invoices, ticket flights, reservations, passport stamps, marriage support letters from her friend, mother, and same for me, from my friends, mother and sister, all of this was notarized from her part and my part including translation, and we included a story letter that explains how we met and how it was frustrating my visa got denied two times to go see her and then she decided to come see me etc and how we really want to be together and are planning to get married as soon as we can in the U.S....

Present: we are planning 3 future visit before the K1 Interview, next summer July she will be able to come and I want to do a traditional engagement party, not wedding(many people I heard they really advice this from Visa Morocco Facebook group as it helps show that the fiance got to know the family etc, she was able to meet my family before but it was unfortunate we forgot to take pictures for some reason as we were enjoying the moment) after that we will spend another 12 days together in some city to enjoy each other's company.... then after she leaves, we plan to go to turkey together by September and spend a week there, and after that happens we also plan for her to come to Morocco during the day of the interview to see if they would allow her and if not, I will ask for her Passport to take with me to show to the officer that she came here to support me during this.

 

what red flags do u have? There isn't any red flag according to our knowledge, we both want this and we both agreed about it / I am not seeking her for papers, I was planning to go to Canada before meeting her but I couldn't help but decide I want to be with her and do what I was planning to do in life but with her company...

Age difference? 9 yrs difference

education difference? For me, I am already working as an IT Engineer and have 4 years work experience, my education level is  Master's degree in Computer Science + Bachelor degree in English Studies.

religious difference? I am not religious and more as an Agnostic believer and more spiritual, she is also spiritual and does not affiliate with any particular religion.

 

 

Yes friend, this is exactly why we are not trying to do CR1 + my american fiance will have hard time trying to get around it since she only has limited vacation only after summer and works 12 hours a day and don't have much time for herself let alone trying to deal with this.

@Jeanne Adil waiting for your feedback on this.

9 minutes ago, davidvs said:

I have no personal experience, but I strongly advise against this. I think most others here will agree with me.

3 minutes ago, Crazy Cat said:

Not wise to do that.  There are horror stories here. 

Il keep that in mind.

49 minutes ago, JeanneAdil said:

she will not be allowed into the US embassy

 

do not do any type of family celebration in Morocco even if u don't register it in Rabat especially if IMAM is present as he has to report to Rabat

 

chances of K1 being denied are high with only 1 2 week meeting

If u have to marry,  she could use this year's 2 weeks to do all the paperwork and visits to Casa embassy for her paper of eligibility,  to Rabat to foreign minister, and back home to meet with police and judge.   then she could return the next year for the actual signing of the marriage papers/    Yes,  this will take time-years but that is probably what will have to happen if the 2 of u haven't spent much time together.   took us 6 years to get a visa with 5 trips from a month to 3 months.

 

what red flags do u have?

Age difference?

education difference?

religious difference?

 

 

 

 

Currently since the day we met each other its been 6 years now, we have been in a relationship for two years and this is going to be the third year now... She got the courage to come visit me as I tried to go visit her two times during the first two years in relationship and I got my tourist visa denied by Casablanca Embassy and then she decided to come visit me and we spent two weeks together and had many pictures together and traveled bunch of cities in Morocco while I was driving, I took care of most of the planning and reservations...

Keep in mind that we have been sending each other a lot of gifts during these two years 2020-2022 and I have been able to speak to her mother via chat and I was able to take her name to the top of mount Toubkal and send her pictures of that to show her how much I love her... anyway after her visit last year, we decided for K1 later on.

Filing the i129f, we did use Rapid Visa to avoid any administrative error and we made sure to include as many pictures we have had and gifts we sent each other and invoices, ticket flights, reservations, passport stamps, marriage support letters from her friend, mother, and same for me, from my friends, mother and sister, all of this was notarized from her part and my part including translation, and we included a story letter that explains how we met and how it was frustrating my visa got denied two times to go see her and then she decided to come see me etc and how we really want to be together and are planning to get married as soon as we can in the U.S....

Present: we are planning 3 future visit before the K1 Interview, next summer July she will be able to come and I want to do a traditional engagement party, not wedding(many people I heard they really advice this from Visa Morocco Facebook group as it helps show that the fiance got to know the family etc, she was able to meet my family before but it was unfortunate we forgot to take pictures for some reason as we were enjoying the moment) after that we will spend another 12 days together in some city to enjoy each other's company.... then after she leaves, we plan to go to turkey together by September and spend a week there, and after that happens we also plan for her to come to Morocco during the day of the interview to see if they would allow her and if not, I will ask for her Passport to take with me to show to the officer that she came here to support me during this.

what red flags do u have? There isn't any red flag according to our knowledge, we both want this and we both agreed about it / I am not seeking her for papers, I was planning to go to Canada before meeting her but I couldn't help but decide I want to be with her and do what I was planning to do in life but with her company...

Age difference? 9 yrs difference

education difference? For me, I am already working as an IT Engineer and have 4 years work experience, my education level is  Master's degree in Computer Science + Bachelor degree in English Studies.

religious difference? I am not religious and more as an Agnostic believer and more spiritual, she is also spiritual and does not affiliate with any particular religion.

46 minutes ago, JeanneAdil said:

Probably no assets -he is Moroccan

they are concerned with the long time to go thru the steps to marry in Moroc/ took us 6 weeks

Yes friend, this is exactly why we are not trying to do CR1 + my american fiance will have hard time trying to get around it since she only has limited vacation only after summer and works 12 hours a day and don't have much time for herself let alone trying to deal with this.

35 minutes ago, carmel34 said:

Many K-1s are denied in Casablanca, with only one visit, most likely brief, your chances of success are very small.  Do not have a religious "marriage" ceremony, as that would increase the likelihood of a K-1 denial.  Marriage and a CR-1, with more time spent together, in person, is the only realistic path forward.  Utah Zoom marriage has worked very well for others, combined with multiple in-person visits, USCIS has approved many of these cases.  How much older is the American lady?  Good luck.

She is 35 now and I am 26... We plan to gather more proof and get her to be with me at the time of interview and she can give me her passport to take inside to let them know that she is also outside with me currently waiting on results too..

6 hours ago, Sammy_2496 said:

Hmm it is unfortunate that a K1 denial would end the relationship. No immigration progress is easy and when a K1 is granted… you still have adjustment of status, which is long and expensive. Can you not visit her?

6 hours ago, Boiler said:

Perhaps you can visit her?

There is no way.... U.S embassy will grant me a tourist Visa since I'm from Casablanca that easily, I already tried two times past two years and got denied altought I have been working for two years and have enough money in my bank account etc...

22 minutes ago, powerpuff said:

US citizen petitioners are usually not allowed to walk in the consulate from what I’ve been reading. You should email the consulate in advance and ask if she can accompany you to the interview.

 

So if you are denied, you will not go the CR1 spousal visa route? Then what is the plan in that case? 
 

 

... Its done I guess, since we cannot try again with and waste another 16 months of waiting for the process again... it would be wise to do the CR1 now, but we cannot, my fiance rarely have off time to do Moroccan marriage process, and online marriage utah proxy marriage might look like scam and we don't want to risk that... duo to her personal reasons I can't mention here, its really hard for her to do the CR1 process as it is hard complicated and it asks a lot from one person and she works 12 hours a day, and can get vacation only after june... so we really don't have a choice except try to do the K1... to avoid CR1 from ruining our relationship because of the sick process and the time it takes and we can't do it the traditional way as it is another pain and utah one seems risky... so we stick with K1 for her mental health and our relationship.

Hello all,

Hope you are all doing okay.

Here is the situation: My fiance an American lady, we have been able to meet one time last year and we applied for K1 and since we are afraid that we didn't front load the i129f application with enough proof it might get rejected, so we are planning that she will come to Morocco again this summer to meet and be together for 2 weeks and have a traditional morocco ceremony, because the Moroccan embassy familiar that it is important for us to do that and it is not regarded as actual marriage, and we plan to go to turkey later on this year, so we will have plenty of evidence to provide later on too.

My question is, is it possible to take my fiance with me to the Casablanca embassy, because we really love each other and we don't want this to be rejected and we cannot do the IR1 visa because of some personal reasons, so maybe her being there with me it would help to show the agent that we really care for each other and establish that it is a bonavida relationship, and at least it would make them check the new evidence we have, since I know the casablanca embassy sometimes they don't care to check for evidence and might reject you.

We applied using RapidVisa, so we are sure that all documents were organized and handled properly before submission.

Any advice to make this a smooth process,  we would appreciate it.

Thank you.

Can we Apply for I-130 before consummating marriage online and upload supporting documents later after maybe 5 months  proofing that we have consummated our marriage, this is to avoid wasting more months ?

7 hours ago, JeanneAdil said:

I 130 page 7 of instructions

 

NOTE: In addition to the required documentation listed above, you should submit one or more of the following types of documentation that may prove you have a bona fide marriage:

(1) Documentation showing joint ownership of property;

(2) A lease showing joint tenancy of a common residence, meaning you both live at the same address together;

(3) Documentation showing that you and your spouse have combined your financial resources;

(4) Birth certificates of children born to you and your spouse together;

 

I added husband to tax returns,  bank account (with his ITIN),  deed to my house (with POA) and water bill

 

many add spouse to credit card and write wills in favor of the other 

 

we went K1-denied ,  CR1 denied till we did IR1 and commingled finances 

 

Casa has denied IR1 petitions especially when there is not much quality time spent together or other red flags such as a big (over 10 years) age difference 

and spouses are often in long AP (recent one whose wife interviewed spring of 2022 and just had 2nd interview )   another moroccan wife was 10 months in AP before the CO approved a visa (and her husband came from Morocco same as her)

 

but if u are safe with what u intend to provide , the best to u 

Thank you for all the information I really appreciate your time to post this.

So in addition to the proof we will provide for the I130 including marriage certificate+pictures being together+pictures of family small ceremony+gifts sent to each other ... other proofs we have gathered through out the years... How will we be able to get a lease showing joint tenancy when we actually live in distance and not together + what does it affect the fiance if they added me in their tax returns, bank account for the house deed, she doesn't actually own a house and is renting ( so what do you think about that ?).

1 hour ago, JeanneAdil said:

CO is the customs officer who will do the interview 

Normally I think for a IR1 there is no need to combine accounts as it is not a requirement and also there is nothing to combine from the beneficiary's part and that only the U.S Spouse assets are counted earlier.

1 hour ago, JeanneAdil said:

Moroccan CO"s know that when USC marries they can add the nonresident alien to IRS tax returns,   then with ITIN the alien can be added to checking and/or savings account plus other places like credit cards ,  etc

 

Proof of combined finances is very powerful evidence in favor of the legitimacy of a marriage. A couple that combines their assets and their liabilities is clearly committed to living a life together. Evidence supporting combined finances may include:

 

Moroccan CO  will be looking at your documents to see if u do combine assets after marriage/ be sure to list all property real or personal that u want included in this agreement 

and the CO would not know about a prenup  but they would know assets are not combined 

 

What do you mean when you say Moroccan CO ?

1 hour ago, Ryan H said:

Moved from K3 Process & Procedures to General Immigration-Related Discussion.

4 hours ago, JeanneAdil said:

In Morocco there is no such thing as common marriage assets. What is yours before and acquired during marriage will remain yours after divorce. Same case for your partner.

the USC can create a Prenup agreement and take to Morocco before u consummate the marriage

get it signed with witnesses (and if you need to divorce later u will need to be able to provide those (moroccan witnesses at a divorce hearing to validate the prenup)  Is it worth it???

 

Understand that this only covers property aquired before the marriage

in most US states after marriage and living together ,  property gained is community property

 

Pre nup means exactly that (pre -before and nup -marriage)

 

Now not sure why anyone wants to do this as its going to be pretty hard to convince a Moroccan CO that the relationship is real when u are not willing to combine assets   /Moroc CO look for the USC and Moroccan to do exactly that -combine assets execially when there are any "red flag issues"

 Like

I don't understand this part: "Now not sure why anyone wants to do this as its going to be pretty hard to convince a Moroccan CO that the relationship is real when u are not willing to combine assets   /Moroc CO look for the USC and Moroccan to do exactly that -combine assets especially when there are any "red flag issues""

Normally we are planning to sign it before doing a remote utah marriage, after that is done, we won't have to mention that we signed any prenuptial agreement, I am agreeing to do this just to make sure that my U.S Fiance assets are well protected.

1 hour ago, Mike E said:

Your profile  says you filed K-1. Sing the prenup when both of you are in the U.S. 

Hi Mike, I just update my profile we will later apply for I130 during this year, but before we need to to the marriage first remotely, then consummate it. We will apply during july.

Me and my fiance are planning to get a married via proxy (Utah Remote marriage) and we want to get a prenup before doing that, is it possible to sign a prenup using a proxy while living outside the country and being a foreigner ?

I live in Morocco.

Thanks for advices

12 minutes ago, powerpuff said:

If you cannot or do not want to meet in order to apply for I-130, then you should stick with your current K1 path instead of trying to find loopholes (that do not exist) to file I-130 without putting in the required effort.

Yeah I think we might just go go i130 after we meet. Thanks all for the advices, really appreciate it.

Also should we do anything about our ongoing k1 i129 process or just let it be .

@Mike E @Crazy Cat

1 minute ago, ADAMegel said:

Appreciate the comment, well I think if we get marriage certificate and apply for i-130 they would only ask for additional evidence after 10-12 months of the processing time when our turn comes and by that time we would have enough proof to send right ?

@Mike E What do you think Mike ?

8 minutes ago, Crazy Cat said:

Make sure you physically meet after the marriage BEFORE filing the I-130.   The marriage will not be recognized until you are together after the marriage ceremony.

Appreciate the comment, well I think if we get marriage certificate and apply for i-130 they would only ask for additional evidence after 10-12 months of the processing time when our turn comes and by that time we would have enough proof to send right ?

Hey All,

Thinking about maybe to go through with marrying using the Utah remote service, and apply directly after with the i130 with the same evidence we provided for the K1, I have visited my fiance once in their country and planning to visit more time in the next months, should we go through with it and provide same proof for k1, pictures together, gifts, chat logs..etc ?

thank you