Settling the meaning of the 2nd Amendment

[Sister Fracas 5]

What was it Charlon Heston said "from my cold dead hands"

oh GAWD

Oooh yay, another gun lovers thread...

[Cassie 8]

What was it Charlon Heston said "from my cold dead hands"

oh GAWD

Oooh yay, another gun lovers thread...

Aye. And I still will never understand the phenomenon.

[Ban Hammer 14,286]

What was it Charlon Heston said "from my cold dead hands"

oh GAWD

Oooh yay, another gun lovers thread...

i'll have to hunt for some pics for you.....

[bgreed 0]

I don't think the forefather's had AK-47's and automatic handguns in mind when they wrote the passage.

can you provide me a link of this automatic handgun? i'm interested in seeing one.

Actually Charles Both Berretta and Glock make a model of fully automatic handgun. More properly machine pistol The Glock is a model 13 if I recall correctly and the Berretta is a model 93. Of course there is the Cezh Skorpion and the micro Uzi.

[Ban Hammer 14,286]

[Sister Fracas 5]

and your point?

[Ban Hammer 14,286]

I don't think the forefather's had AK-47's and automatic handguns in mind when they wrote the passage.

can you provide me a link of this automatic handgun? i'm interested in seeing one.

Actually Charles Both Berretta and Glock make a model of fully automatic handgun. More properly machine pistol The Glock is a model 13 if I recall correctly and the Berretta is a model 93. Of course there is the Cezh Skorpion and the micro Uzi.

no glock 13 shown on glock's website......i'm also not finding a berretta that is fully automatic on berretta's website.

yes, they may exist but probably only special order (nor do i see the point to having a fully automatic pistol anyways).

the skorpion and micro uzi are still classified at submachine guns, as is a mac-10/11

.http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg26-e.htm

and your point?

guns are for women too

[nin 1]

That second picture of the dressed in gold person with the poodle hairdo who is trying on a bond ####### look is targeted at women?

[almaty 19]

i have no issue with gun ownership..and i doubt the DC will win it's case in the supreme court ..

i plan on getting Sanita a gun card soon....

[peejay 327]

I don't think the forefather's had AK-47's and automatic handguns in mind when they wrote the passage.

Nope, they had the best weapons available for the military at the time in mind. I should then be allowed to own and operate a SAW or any true automatic weapons.

I always find it funny when people talk about 'automatic handguns.' It's semi-auto. One pull, one shot.

As for the right to bear arms I would argue the militia aspect. Do we really believe the founding fathers thought our Federal forces or the State National Guard needed the constitution to protect their right to bear arms? Wouldn't this be a given?

This country was formed by a bunch of colonists who revolted against what they believed to be a corrupt and unjust monarchy. The common person taking up arms and fighting against an established government.

If the British had won, then the revolution would have been full of terrorists and traitors to be executed. The founding fathers won instead, so the terms become patriots, heroes, and freedom fighters.

The entire point of the 2'nd amendment is for the common citizen to be able to arm themselves, protect their family, and if things go to hell where they are, the ability to fight and shoot back against possible tyranny and oppression.

Amazing someone else who understands original intent. And historical signifigance of "the right to keep and bear arms".

I agree.

Prohibiting and depriving private citizens of a means to defend themselves and their property in their own private homes is just plain wrong to begin with.

Our founding fathers wanted us to be able to protect our ourselves not only from other individuals that would do us harm, but from government that would do us harm as well. A group of private citizen gun owners can band together when necessary to protect their common best interests. Without the right of the individual private citizen to keep and bear arms...this would not be possible. Think about it.

Police response times in many cities are slow. A lot can happen even in one minute. If someone wishes to solely rely on government to protect them...that is their decision. Don't deprive me of my right to defend myself.

And...NO...private citizens don't need to own missle launchers, machine guns, and hand grenades to defend themselves.

Edited November 21, 2007 by peejay

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

I don't think the forefather's had AK-47's and automatic handguns in mind when they wrote the passage.

Cap and ball= 1800s

Ak-47=2007

Auto handgun=

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I don't think the forefather's had AK-47's and automatic handguns in mind when they wrote the passage.

Cap and ball= 1800s

Ak-47=2007

Auto handgun=

Granted that most people say automatic when they mean semi-automatic, but they really don't exist?

Machine Pistol

[Sister Fracas 5]

guns are for women too

and your point?

That second picture of the dressed in gold person with the poodle hairdo who is trying on a bond ####### look is targeted at women?

LOL yeah...really!

i doubt the DC will win it's case in the supreme court ..

I doubt it will either... too many gun lovers would go ballistic...

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Sister Fracas,

This thread is no place for a nice nun like you.

[Kevin and 10]

Regulated and militia have different meaning today than 200 years ago. Use the meaning from 200 years ago to understand the framer's intent.

You can own any kind of weapon you want, automatic or not. Do the paper work and its yours.