Minneapolis Shooting [spelling in title corrected]

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,506]

 

Well well well. It know appears she was a pain professional protester and on the ICE watch list.

 

Renee Nicole Good part of 'ICE Watch' group, DHS sources say

 

Renee Nicole Good part of 'ICE Watch' group, DHS sources say

https://www.foxnews.com/us/renee-nicole-good-part-ice-watch-group-dhs-sources-say

Edited yesterday at 05:16 PM by Nature Boy 2.0

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45 minutes ago, Ban Hammer said:

the driver was not shot for "...interfering with federal officers."

We don’t know the full facts and circumstances of why she was shot.

 

To say otherwise, either against ICE or in favor of them, is oversimplifying what is fairly obviously not a clear cut situation.

[Ban Hammer 14,873]

2 minutes ago, S2N said:

We don’t know the full facts and circumstances of why she was shot.

 

To say otherwise, either against ICE or in favor of them, is oversimplifying what is fairly obviously not a clear cut situation.

amusing given the driver was shot only after she struck one with her vehicle.


 

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16 minutes ago, Ban Hammer said:

amusing given the driver was shot only after she struck one with her vehicle.


 

Theres zero evidence she hit him. She might have — we don’t know.

 

I don’t like speculating because the simple fact is we don’t know all of what happened.

 

My best guess from what I’ve seen is she got spooked by the officer with his hand on the car, and hearing orders to move, tried to flee by turning, which was stupid. The one who shot her had a previous history of vehicle encounters that caused him to react with deadly force when others likely wouldn’t have. Leading to a tragedy all around.

 

But we point blank don’t know, and I could be wrong. Just like those who are calling it clearly justified could be wrong. The best thing to do is wait the investigation out. I have zero problem changing my initial perception if the facts indicate otherwise.

Edited yesterday at 05:54 PM by S2N

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[Nature Boy 2.0 8,506]

1 hour ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

 

Well well well. It know appears she was a pain professional protester and on the ICE watch list.

 

Renee Nicole Good part of 'ICE Watch' group, DHS sources say

 

Renee Nicole Good part of 'ICE Watch' group, DHS sources say

https://www.foxnews.com/us/renee-nicole-good-part-ice-watch-group-dhs-sources-say

Obviously I meant paid professionally.  The speel check here is terrible.  As a rhodium member i deserve  better 

 

Btw the agent that shot professional protester is married to a legal Filipina immigrant. 

 

So he was probably already agitated 

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,506]

56 minutes ago, S2N said:

We don’t know the full facts and circumstances of why she was shot.

 

To say otherwise, either against ICE or in favor of them, is oversimplifying what is fairly obviously not a clear cut situation.

Your are close to truth.  It is possible that two truths could be true at the same time.

 

I dont really agree with ICE rounding up people that have been allowed to live in this country many years , that have lived here peacefully or brought here as kids. Many are here becuse we encouraged them and turned a blind eye. Can you imagine being brought here as a 2 year old, Assimilate into the country and then being jerked out of college and being sent back to a county that you may not even speak the language. 

 

I also dont agree with elected leaders calling them Nazi's and using inflaming rhetoric  Right now ICE is acting withing the law. They need to use all the energy and money to fight it in the courts. Its as if the Governor and Mayor want violence. 

 

As for the shooting. She was far from committing an act of domestic terrorism.  The officer also was far from killing her in cold blood. 

 

The lady was a professional agitator and with being emboldened by the rhetoric from the opposition this was bound to happen. 

 

The lady was told to stop and get out of the car and failed to obey. The car did lurch foward and make contact with the officer. I dont think she was trying intentionally run over him, none the less she did make contact. 

 

The officer should not have placed himself in the path of the car. He also shouldn't have kept firing into the side window 

 

 

Bottom line . The officer used poor judgment as did the lady and it resulted in this tragic incident. However the shooting was totally justified. 

 

The local elected officials are embarrassing. 

 

 

 

[Ban Hammer 14,873]

1 hour ago, S2N said:

Theres zero evidence she hit him. She might have — we don’t know.

 

 

that you've seen.  some of us have seen video evidence, and in slow motion - yes, she hit him.

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1 minute ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Bottom line . The officer used poor judgment as did the lady and it resulted in this tragic incident. However the shooting was totally justified. 

I don’t think you can arrive at the final conclusion yet from the publicly known. A cop getting angsty because of past experience and shooting because he honestly was in fear of his life, when another officer who didn’t have his experience with cars wouldn’t is likely not a clean shot. Especially when it was done multiple times when he was out of harms way. The officer can truly think he’s in danger and it still not be justified because he wasn’t thinking clearly. 
 

We just need to wait out the facts.

 

Just now, Ban Hammer said:

that you've seen.  some of us have seen video evidence, and in slow motion - yes, she hit him.

I don’t know your background, but unless you’re one of the FBI agents investigating this or you have access to some non-public information, then you haven’t. There’s no reputable source reporting this and the facts around it are in dispute. The best we can say is it’s possible.

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2 hours ago, Boiler said:

Hopefully he has lawyered up,the world we live in, but I do not see a case to answer. No prosecutor is taking this on.

Don't be so certain.  It's Minnesota, for one.  Secondly, John Adams famously represented the British soldiers in the Boston massacre.  There will be someone who believes in the rule of law who takes this on. 

 

Most likely, and more to point one, someone brazen and institutionally captured enough will take this on.

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1 minute ago, S2N said:

I don’t know your background, but unless you’re one of the FBI agents investigating this or you have access to some non-public information, then you haven’t. There’s no reputable source reporting this and the facts around it are in dispute. The best we can say is it’s possible.

that's quite dismissive.  there's videos out there - try youtube.
 

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Just now, Ban Hammer said:

that's quite dismissive.  there's videos out there - try youtube.
 

So there’s no publicly available credible evidence that has been reviewed by experts competent to testify in court that shows what you claim.

 

The burden is on the government to prove it was a good shot. If they can do that, more than happy to accept it, but I’m not content to dismiss the government taking a life as justified without actual evidence.

[hplusj 589]

1 hour ago, S2N said:

Theres zero evidence she hit him. She might have — we don’t know.

We keep circling back to this.  

 

She didn't have to hit him.  She hit the gas, with an armed officer in front of her car.  

 

The circling of erroneous information online that these are "masked men" and not LE, that she had every right to her life and to "flee", "run", etc. all dodge the obvious fact.

 

She pressed down on the gas pedal, with an armed officer in front of her car.

Edited yesterday at 07:13 PM by hplusj

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6 minutes ago, hplusj said:

We keep circling back to this.  

 

She didn't have to hit him.  She hit the gas, with an armed officer in front of her car.  

 

The circling of erroneous information online that these are "masked men" and not LE, that she had every right to her life and to "flee", "run", etc. all dodge the obvious fact.

 

She pressed down on the gas pedal, with an armed officer in front of her car.

I actually agree with all of this. I don’t think hit vs. no hit question matters all that much; was just responding to a comment about that.

 

What matters is if a reasonable person in his position would have responded with lethal force, and I don’t think we have enough information to make that call yet.
 

Edited yesterday at 07:19 PM by S2N

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1 hour ago, S2N said:

Theres zero evidence she hit him. She might have — we don’t know.

I have seen a video which does show he was struck.