DMV notifies 325K Californians of action needed to comply with REAL ID regulations

[OldUser 11,185]

New Year, new rules.

 

So it looks like Conditional LPRs and regular LPRs would no longer receive Real ID like DL with normal expiration in California...

 

https://www.kcra.com/article/dmv-notifies-californians-real-id-regulations/69896090

 

It used to be the case, you would get full term Real ID DL even as a LPR with 2 or 10 year card.

 

From now on, expiration of GC or I-797 notices will determine the expiration of ID/DL. Existing RealID DL / ID holders may need to replace their existing cards in my understanding.

 

Pretty sad to see this change. I always felt sorry to folks in other states, but now it is same in California.

 

 

 

[ineedadisplayname 530]

5 hours ago, OldUser said:

New Year, new rules.

 

So it looks like Conditional LPRs and regular LPRs would no longer receive Real ID like DL with normal expiration in California...

 

https://www.kcra.com/article/dmv-notifies-californians-real-id-regulations/69896090

 

It used to be the case, you would get full term Real ID DL even as a LPR with 2 or 10 year card.

 

From now on, expiration of GC or I-797 notices will determine the expiration of ID/DL. Existing RealID DL / ID holders may need to replace their existing cards in my understanding.

 

Pretty sad to see this change. I always felt sorry to folks in other states, but now it is same in California.

 

 

 

Hah, i never knew this. While it is questionable it is definitely would have made my life easier.  My IDs always expired at the same time as my GC. It taught me standing up for myself/advocating for myself especially since i don't live in a place with high density tech workers so going to the DMV was always a hit or miss. At one time i had to go to a different DMV because the employee there was just impossible to deal with and was not trained well and we kept going in circles about documents. (Different DMV, same documents, no problem beside waiting forever to get to a window)

Edited 20 hours ago by ineedadisplayname

[J.M. 352]

Kind of defeats the purpose of a REAL ID if it is not correctly tied to your legal presence.  I won't criticize California for making that mistake since Texas gave my wife a regular driver's license when she applied for a learner's permit.

[rbv_shard 57]

1 hour ago, J.M. said:

Kind of defeats the purpose of a REAL ID if it is not correctly tied to your legal presence.  I won't criticize California for making that mistake since Texas gave my wife a regular driver's license when she applied for a learner's permit.

To be correct, it seems like conditional GC and all visa statuses ought to have synchronized expiration (or get an ID sans-REAL star for full duration and carry foreign passport to fly), but LPR status is "permanent" and should not result in truncated duration on other IDs.  Expiration of the green "card" itself does not terminate lawful status, it mostly means the photo and/or anti-forgery features on the card are too old to be trusted, and it doesn't make sense for that to affect a separate ID card with its own newer photo and its own anti-forgery features.

[OldUser 11,185]

5 hours ago, ineedadisplayname said:

 My IDs always expired at the same time as my GC. 

In California?

[Neonred 4,078]

17 hours ago, OldUser said:

From now on, expiration of GC or I-797 notices will determine the expiration of ID/DL.

 

 

As it should be.  Just makes sense.

[OldUser 11,185]

2 hours ago, Neonred said:

 

As it should be.  Just makes sense.

Does not make full sense to me.

 

LPR status does not have expiration.

 

It's not like DMV issues DL with expiration matching passport expiration to US citizens.

 

Edited 6 hours ago by OldUser

[wildbug100420 403]

24 minutes ago, OldUser said:

Does not make full sense to me.

 

LPR status does not have expiration.

 

It's not like DMV issues DL with expiration matching passport expiration to US citizens.

 

A 2yr green card expires for a reason.  I think it's a way subtle or not to differentiate between us citizens and all others. I know one state explicitly has the phrase non citizen dl/id in bold letters on top of document. 

[OldUser 11,185]

5 minutes ago, wildbug100420 said:

A 2yr green card expires for a reason.  I think it's a way subtle or not to differentiate between us citizens and all others. I know one state explicitly has the phrase non citizen dl/id in bold letters on top of document. 

Ok, I can see some logic about 2 year GC (though even for conditional LPRs, they remain LPRs until judge takes status away or LPR signs I-407).

 

 

But 10 year GC holder's status surely does not expire.

 

If I was an LPR, I'd rather have wording NON-CITIZEN written on DL then have shorter validity on DL. It is not like I'd be advertizing myself as a citizen when I am LPR anyways.

 

And while we go this route of stating NON-CITIZEN on DL, it would be actually nice if all states started including US citizenship status on all DLs like EDL in some states, but by default.

Edited 5 hours ago by OldUser

[wildbug100420 403]

5 minutes ago, OldUser said:

Ok, I can see some logic about 2 year GC (though even for conditional LPRs, they remain LPRs until judge takes status away or LPR signs I-407).

 

 

But 10 year GC holder's status surely does not expire.

 

If I was an LPR, I'd rather have wording NON-CITIZEN written on DL then have shorter validity on DL. It is not like I'd be advertizing myself as a citizen when I am LPR anyways.

True, but I think it's an easy way of states to let law enforcement know. Even my home state has limited term on top of dl if individual on work permit 

[OldUser 11,185]

11 minutes ago, wildbug100420 said:

True, but I think it's an easy way of states to let law enforcement know. Even my home state has limited term on top of dl if individual on work permit 

It is, but if law enforcement needs to know whether it is a citizen or non-citizen, they need to know.

 

LPRs must have their green cards on them all the time.

[ineedadisplayname 530]

9 hours ago, OldUser said:

In California?

Nope, in Missouri.

[ineedadisplayname 530]

43 minutes ago, OldUser said:

If I was an LPR, I'd rather have wording NON-CITIZEN written on DL then have shorter validity on DL. It is not like I'd be advertizing myself as a citizen when I am LPR anyways.

I'd rather spend time at the DMV than that written on my ID. It is not about advertising yourself as a citizen, but at most places they shouldn't care about your status and provide you the same service as to a citizen. Why would i need to share my status at the liquor store when buying alcohol? There are enough discrimination going on without that too.  Maybe California is different but every time I go out into the depts of Missouri i always get the questions of where i am from. I know what they want to know, so based on the tone they ask this question usually i f with them and say Saint Louis, and then they muster up to ask but where are you from in the same tone, but more annoyed.

Some folks ask it as genuine because they never heard an accent like mine so i just tell the country because I know they didn't have any bad intentions and they were just curios. It is sad that i can tell the difference in the tone of where are you from  

Edited 5 hours ago by ineedadisplayname

[OldUser 11,185]

1 minute ago, ineedadisplayname said:

I'd rather spend time at the DMV than that written on my ID. It is not about advertising yourself as a citizen, but at most places they shouldn't care about your status and provide you the same service as to a citizen. Why would i need to share my status at the liquor store when buying alcohol? There are enough discrimination going on without that too.  Maybe California is different but every time I go out into the depts of Missouri i always get the questions of where i am from. I know what they want to know, so based on the tone they ask usually i with them and say Saint Louis, and then they muster up to ask but where are you from. Some folks ask it as genuine because they never heard an accent like mine. It is sad that i can tell the difference in the tone of where are you from  

It's OK. I naturalized twice in my life. In the first European country I had same reaction to these questions. Nowadays I just tell them where I am originally from right away and everybody gets softer and curious about my path as an immigrant, even though I am a citizen.

 

But I get your point.

[Carpe Vinum 2,334]

16 hours ago, ineedadisplayname said:

Hah, i never knew this. While it is questionable it is definitely would have made my life easier.  My IDs always expired at the same time as my GC. It taught me standing up for myself/advocating for myself especially since i don't live in a place with high density tech workers so going to the DMV was always a hit or miss. At one time i had to go to a different DMV because the employee there was just impossible to deal with and was not trained well and we kept going in circles about documents. (Different DMV, same documents, no problem beside waiting forever to get to a window)

Ah, yes the privately run license shacks in MO. You never know what you are going to get. We live in St. Louis, too. We have had good luck at the one in Clayton. It is run from a residential house. Like getting your DL in somebody's living room. It was a shock after growing up in IL where even towns with a population of 1000 have a State run brick and mortar professional building.

Edited 4 hours ago by Carpe Vinum