Hope for the Vaccine Injured

[TBoneTX 45,497]

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Hope for the Vaccine Injured

 

Fox News anchor John Roberts recently asked on Twitter: "Question: anyone out there having chest pain after getting the booster?"  [...]

 

https://amgreatness.com/2022/05/28/hope-for-the-vaccine-injured/    

 

[Neonred 3,575]

4 hours ago, TBoneTX said:

Mm-HM.  Comments?

Was talking about this with my son ( a PA in emergency at a local hospital) and his wife (an ER nurse) just the other day.  All of us were vaccinated because of our jobs.  None of us opted for the booster.  We have all seen some distressing cases of severe and long lasting issues following vaccination and especially boosting.  

 

I have not had any adverse effects, but honestly with some of the folks I have seen with life changing reactions it is doubtful I would have taken the vaccine if I had known,

 

My typically Russian wife that does not trust anything to do with the government was the only one in our family that didn't take the vaccine.  

 

 

Edited May 29, 2022 by Neonred

[LIBrty4all 3,754]

6 hours ago, Neonred said:

Was talking about this with my son ( a PA in emergency at a local hospital) and his wife (an ER nurse) just the other day.  All of us were vaccinated because of our jobs.  None of us opted for the booster.  We have all seen some distressing cases of severe and long lasting issues following vaccination and especially boosting.  

 

I have not had any adverse effects, but honestly with some of the folks I have seen with life changing reactions it is doubtful I would have taken the vaccine if I had known,

 

My typically Russian wife that does not trust anything to do with the government was the only one in our family that didn't take the vaccine.  

 

 

I KNEW she was smart, and not just because she married you!!

 

Neither have I.  Almost lost my job over it, but it would have been worth it.

[TBoneTX 45,497]

I wish that I had skipped mine...

[yuna628 9,680]

On 5/29/2022 at 2:01 AM, TBoneTX said:

Mm-HM.  Comments?

Are you sure you want my comments?

 

Whelp.... Mr. Roberts is experiencing chest pain from his booster? That is a known thing and he should absolutely get that checked out, similarly like my husband also got his heart checked out. However, the replies he received are just that, reports from people online, that may or may not be true and he and the author of the article have no way of judging their authenticity.

 

As I've mentioned before, the booster has left me with a myriad of symptoms, a condition my medical team has diagnosed (one that is recognized in literature and is being studied). Others I know have similar conditions, and they have a different diagnosis with varying severity (one that requires very specific knowledgeable doctors even though the treatments do overlap). Some of those persons are doctors themselves, and have the means to run specific tests to prove their hypothesis, however there is still a lot we don't know. Our conditions are 'treatable' in a way that it can be managed, but it is not curable yet. It is still something that is rare, a lot of immunologists are puzzled, and one theory is that it may be related to something genetic/pre-existing (we have found we do have some patterns) and the other theory is that it may be something inherent to the spike protein itself. Our doctors all agree that if we had been exposed to actual COVID, these same symptoms would have likely appeared. Mr. Roberts is experiencing one part of that same condition, he may have other symptoms he hasn't realized yet. It may be temporary or it may progress, it's unwise for the author of the article to speculate. What bothers me is that the author points to individuals that give out general quackery methods as treatment, which is a shame because while they do suggest some items that could help the condition, others will not (without giving a potential patient any understanding of what is going on). My immunologist considers me immunocompromised, but to be fair I always was, so that hasn't changed much. We do not know Mr Robert's history, which may have contributing factors. FWIW, I am familiar with Mr Traub, he has tried some of the protocol that delves into quackery out of desperation, and has only limited results and some issues that are increasing in severity. He also has advocated things others before him have tried and failed with little improvement to himself either (people can get these same conditions pre-pandemic and without vaccine exposure). What is needed is funding and study. I know of several already, but it's not enough. I also know early on the NIH had an ongoing study that proved these conditions were possible, just not the why or how to fix it. Eventually there was no more funding...  Unfortunately as I said, these conditions also existed well before the vaccine, and the lack of funding and understanding weren't there before.. and they aren't happening now.

 

On 5/29/2022 at 6:33 AM, Neonred said:

Was talking about this with my son ( a PA in emergency at a local hospital) and his wife (an ER nurse) just the other day.  All of us were vaccinated because of our jobs.  None of us opted for the booster.  We have all seen some distressing cases of severe and long lasting issues following vaccination and especially boosting.  

 

I have not had any adverse effects, but honestly with some of the folks I have seen with life changing reactions it is doubtful I would have taken the vaccine if I had known,

 

My typically Russian wife that does not trust anything to do with the government was the only one in our family that didn't take the vaccine.  

 

 

Just know that if you didn't have any sort of problematic reaction to dose 1 and 2, it's unlikely dose 3 will cause any issue. That seems to be the case for the rest of my family members. My immunologist helped me figure out that I had been 'reactive' all along and have had other issues crop up in my life that points to more likelihood of something going wrong. I still would have taken the vaccine, because I am aware how at risk I and others are now, and there is enough evidence my doctor has seen that this reaction would occur with 'natural' exposure. 

Edited May 30, 2022 by yuna628

[LIBrty4all 3,754]

27 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

Just know that if you didn't have any sort of problematic reaction to dose 1 and 2, it's unlikely dose 3 will cause any issue. That seems to be the case for the rest of my family members. My immunologist helped me figure out that I had been 'reactive' all along and have had other issues crop up in my life that points to more likelihood of something going wrong. I still would have taken the vaccine, because I am aware how at risk I and others are now, and there is enough evidence my doctor has seen that this reaction would occur with 'natural' exposure. 

Sorry you have had issues from the experimental injections, but the bold part is simply not provable.  It falls into the same category as "their covid would have been much worse without the shots"... simply something people tell one another to feel better or to justify the shots.

As the days go by, more and more evidence is coming out that the drugs did little to nothing to prevent covid.  The numbers of people who waited, finally got the jabs (typically forced to in order to keep their jobs, sadly), and then got covid after the shots, are growing.  Recently talked to two co-workers who waited, were forced to comply, then both got covid shortly after getting the jabs.... THREE TIMES they tested positive within just a couple of months.  "Could have been worse without the shots?".  Uh huh...

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1 hour ago, yuna628 said:

Are you sure you want my comments?

Whether I agree with your comments or not, you write thoughtfully and considerately, so the answer is absolutely, Y ma'am.

[yuna628 9,680]

45 minutes ago, LIBrty4all said:

Sorry you have had issues from the experimental injections, but the bold part is simply not provable.  It falls into the same category as "their covid would have been much worse without the shots"... simply something people tell one another to feel better or to justify the shots.

As the days go by, more and more evidence is coming out that the drugs did little to nothing to prevent covid.  The numbers of people who waited, finally got the jabs (typically forced to in order to keep their jobs, sadly), and then got covid after the shots, are growing.  Recently talked to two co-workers who waited, were forced to comply, then both got covid shortly after getting the jabs.... THREE TIMES they tested positive within just a couple of months.  "Could have been worse without the shots?".  Uh huh...

 It is provable, and there's many very well documented studies about it. The doctor who ultimately made my diagnosis is a well respected immunologist. He has seen numerous patients pre-pandemic with the same issue (from any vaccine or unknown cause), an issue he acknowledges needs funding and study. Similarly since the pandemic he has seen patients with the same condition associated from the vaccine AND from those who had COVID exposure and were never vaccinated. The condition happens even if the COVID symptoms are/were mild. And the more times you are infected your risk factor increases (this also may be why more boosters may eventually increase the risk too). In his mind this shows a link between the spike protein itself and something potentially genetic those affected share. Many well-respected doctors are currently studying this and have shown a variety of ways exposure (natural or otherwise) could induce a reaction if the patient has risk factors. Immunologists (as well as specialists on MCAS/POTS/ME) are swamped right now, from seeing both sets of patients. 

Edited May 30, 2022 by yuna628

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12 hours ago, yuna628 said:

 It is provable, and there's many very well documented studies about it. The doctor who ultimately made my diagnosis is a well respected immunologist. He has seen numerous patients pre-pandemic with the same issue (from any vaccine or unknown cause), an issue he acknowledges needs funding and study. Similarly since the pandemic he has seen patients with the same condition associated from the vaccine AND from those who had COVID exposure and were never vaccinated. The condition happens even if the COVID symptoms are/were mild. And the more times you are infected your risk factor increases (this also may be why more boosters may eventually increase the risk too). In his mind this shows a link between the spike protein itself and something potentially genetic those affected share. Many well-respected doctors are currently studying this and have shown a variety of ways exposure (natural or otherwise) could induce a reaction if the patient has risk factors. Immunologists (as well as specialists on MCAS/POTS/ME) are swamped right now, from seeing both sets of patients. 

You CANNOT, EVER, prove that covid is better OR worse with OR without the fake vaccines, period.  Even if you had covid, THEN got the jabs, then got covid again, you can COMPARE symptoms, but cannot say without a reasonable doubt whether the jabs made it better or worse.  Period.  It is impossible, & only anecdotal at best.

For every study you can find that supports your belief, I can find those that show the opposite.  Like all the young, healthy athletes who can no longer compete professionally after taking the drugs (even without covid).  Or the pilots who can no longer fly due to the mRNA drugs.  And as time goes on, more and more people are having these issues, even without the man-made disease attacking them.

It's no different than the flu... get it, be sick.  Take a flu shot.  Get the flu again, but it's a lesser detriment... was it the flu shot that made it better, or your body's natural immunity??  You CANNOT know, you can only BELIEVE.  That is all.

Also, people who have gotten shot, and even boosted, have ZERO covid antibodies after awhile.  Why is THAT?  (My doctor is one of those... shot twice, and boosted once.  Absolutely zero protection from the disease, as proven by her multiple antibody blood draws.  She's an educated lady, thankfully for me.)

Edited May 31, 2022 by LIBrty4all

[Dashinka 24,589]

I agree, how can any study know for sure any cause and effect regarding the myriad of combinations possible (shots, vs. natural exposure, etc.), plus the variables with each and every person (body type, age, immune system strength, etc.).  The best any study can conclude is an educated guess as to how someone may or may not have fared with the combination they chose.

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COVID vaccines: When will enough be enough?

by John M. Contino - June 4, 2022

 

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2022/06/covid_vaccines_when_will_enough_be_enough.html

[LIBrty4all 3,754]

On 5/31/2022 at 7:01 AM, Dashinka said:

I agree, how can any study know for sure any cause and effect regarding the myriad of combinations possible (shots, vs. natural exposure, etc.), plus the variables with each and every person (body type, age, immune system strength, etc.).  The best any study can conclude is an educated guess as to how someone may or may not have fared with the combination they chose.

It can't.  It's simply something people tell themselves to justify their decisions.  I had covid without the experimental jabs, and it was no big deal, much like the flu.  Fever for a few days, no chest/lung/sinus issues.  Would it have been better or worse with the jabs?  No way of telling.  But now I have natural immunity, without a bunch of man-made drugs running amok thru my immune system.