Ex Committed Citizenship Fraud

[moneythat 0]

19 minutes ago, Mounat02 said:

Alright buddy. I put that "LoL" in there so you don't literally try to apprehend your ex and drag her to the USCIS office.

 

Best wishes in your quest for justice.

That's my point about the LoL.  You're joking around when people's lives are at stake.  

[geowrian 22,336]

1 minute ago, moneythat said:

That's my point about the LoL.  You're joking around when people's lives are at stake.  

Who's life is at stake?

 

Don't get me wrong...if they committed fraud and there's evidence of it, then they should be held accountable. Report it.

But is your life going to get any better if she gets denaturalized? It doesn't sound like your life is at stake.

Her well-being (not life) may be at risk as a result, but I doubt your concern about people's lives being at stake was referring to hers.

[moneythat 0]

Just now, geowrian said:

Who's life is at stake?

 

Don't get me wrong...if they committed fraud and there's evidence of it, then they should be held accountable. Report it.

But is your life going to get any better if she gets denaturalized? It doesn't sound like your life is at stake.

Her well-being (not life) may be at risk as a result, but I doubt your concern about people's lives being at stake was referring to hers.

That's what I meant.  Well-being.  The quality of their future.  Not just hers but everyone involved or associated with her. And not just mine.

[carmel34 3,533]

2 minutes ago, moneythat said:

That's my point about the LoL.  You're joking around when people's lives are at stake.  

Your frustration is very understandable, send all the hard evidence and documentation that you have gathered, report her fraud to the appropriate authorities, and then move on with your life, you will have done what you can.  Spending a lot of time and energy fretting about this will only cause you more mental anguish and that will affect you negatively.  Hopefully you have a bright future to look forward to without her in your life now.  Good luck and all the best to you!

[moneythat 0]

5 minutes ago, carmel34 said:

Your frustration is very understandable, send all the hard evidence and documentation that you have gathered, report her fraud to the appropriate authorities, and then move on with your life, you will have done what you can.  Spending a lot of time and energy fretting about this will only cause you more mental anguish and that will affect you negatively.  Hopefully you have a bright future to look forward to without her in your life now.  Good luck and all the best to you!

Thanks,.  I have evidence from the private investigator and my family's first hand testimony.  I also have documentation she applied and received public benefits.  It just feels like I need the police/social services/district attorney to charge and convict her, yet the government seems overloaded with work and justice is not being served.

Edited June 29, 2020 by moneythat

[Mounat02 63]

1 minute ago, moneythat said:

Thanks,.  I have evidence from the private investigator and my family's first hand testimony.  I also have documentation she applied and received public benefits.  It just feels like I need the police/social services/district attorney to charge and convict her, yet the government seems overloaded with work and justice is not being served.

You're seeking vengeance, not justice. You want your ex punished by not only USCIS but other government agencies like social services (for benefits crimes) and even the DA (I don't know for what crime).

 

I truly sympathize, despite my tongue in cheek comments. This is a treacherous road and leads to mental anguish as someone has already advised. Submit what you have to the USCIS and be done with it.

 

If she gets de-naturalized (low chance), you will still have to deal with your own feelings about what happened.

 

Really wish you well. Take care.

[moneythat 0]

1 minute ago, Mounat02 said:

You're seeking vengeance, not justice. You want your ex punished by not only USCIS but other government agencies like social services (for benefits crimes) and even the DA (I don't know for what crime).

 

I truly sympathize, despite my tongue in cheek comments. This is a treacherous road and leads to mental anguish as someone has already advised. Submit what you have to the USCIS and be done with it.

 

If she gets de-naturalized (low chance), you will still have to deal with your own feelings about what happened.

 

Really wish you well. Take care.

If someone robs your house, of course you want them arrested.  Had you read the contents of my comments, she committed at least prostitution, which means she lacks good moral character to become a U.S. Citizen.  It's called a crime involving moral turpitude (CIMT).   People commit crimes, they get arrested, charged, imprisoned by the police, DA, and USCIS deports/strips them of their immigration benefit.  That's how it works.  Do people commit crimes and expect to not be arrested?

[geowrian 22,336]

10 minutes ago, moneythat said:

Thanks,.  I have evidence from the private investigator and my family's first hand testimony.  I also have documentation she applied and received public benefits.  It just feels like I need the police/social services/district attorney to charge and convict her, yet the government seems overloaded with work and justice is not being served.

Her receiving public benefits within those 5 years as an LPR will more likely to come back on you than her due to the I-864.

That's not to say that if she committed fraud on the application that she can't be held accountable, but be aware it is a bit of cutting off your nose to spite your face.

[moneythat 0]

Just now, geowrian said:

Her receiving public benefits within those 5 years as an LPR will more likely to come back on you than her due to the I-864.

That's not to say that if she committed fraud on the application that she can't be held accountable, but be aware it is a bit of cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Are you talking about the affidavit of support?  I wrote a letter to release that after I divorced her.  I did not support her green card nor citizenship.

[geowrian 22,336]

11 minutes ago, moneythat said:

Are you talking about the affidavit of support?  I wrote a letter to release that after I divorced her.  I did not support her green card nor citizenship.

Yes I am, that's the I-864.

A letter cannot relieve those obligations. It is a contract with the US government, not her.

 

Edit: From the I-864 itself (not even the instructions)

Quote

When Will These Obligations End?

Your obligations under a Form I-864 that you signed will end if the person who becomes a lawful permanent resident based on that affidavit:

A. Becomes a U.S. citizen;

B. Has worked, or can receive credit for, 40 quarters of coverage under the Social Security Act;

C. No longer has lawful permanent resident status and has departed the United States;

D. Is subject to removal, but applies for and obtains, in removal proceedings, a new grant of adjustment of status, based on a new affidavit of support, if one is required; or

E. Dies.

 

NOTE: Divorce does not terminate your obligations under Form I-864.

 

Edit 2: Note that if she did commit fraud to receive benefits (i.e. lied about household income) and she was actually not qualified for them, then you would not be responsible in any way. Sorry if that wasn't clear! I just think it's impossible to know exactly what she claimed or not vs what she had to claim, and if the difference between those completely eliminates eligibility for any benefits.

Edited June 29, 2020 by geowrian

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44 minutes ago, moneythat said:

Thanks,.  I have evidence from the private investigator and my family's first hand testimony.  I also have documentation she applied and received public benefits.  It just feels like I need the police/social services/district attorney to charge and convict her, yet the government seems overloaded with work and justice is not being served.

@moneythat,

 

The only thing you can do is provide USCIS with the evidence that you have whether that be by email or in person whatever method you choose.

 

Once you provide USCIS with the evidence they are the ones that have to investigate. After you submit that evidence, as others have suggested, move on. I understand your concern for others but there is only so much you can do. Trust me when I say that there have been times when I have wanted justice in personal situations. I would encourage you to do what is in your control and not give thought to what is not in your control. If you continue to dwell on what is not in your control your health will take a hit due to the stress. 

[moneythat 0]

39 minutes ago, geowrian said:

Yes I am, that's the I-864.

A letter cannot relieve those obligations. It is a contract with the US government, not her.

 

Edit: From the I-864 itself (not even the instructions)

 

Edit 2: Note that if she did commit fraud to receive benefits (i.e. lied about household income) and she was actually not qualified for them, then you would not be responsible in any way. Sorry if that wasn't clear! I just think it's impossible to know exactly what she claimed or not vs what she had to claim, and if the difference between those completely eliminates eligibility for any benefits.

I wrote a letter to USCIS to withdraw my affidavit of support before she got her green card.

 

I would need to report her to social services and have them investigate on her whether she committed public benefits fraud.

Edited June 29, 2020 by moneythat

[geowrian 22,336]

3 minutes ago, moneythat said:

I wrote a letter to USCIS to withdraw my affidavit of support before she got her green card.

 

I would need to report her to social services and have them investigate on her whether she committed public benefits fraud.

Her original green card...? And they approved her without you at the interview (or the interview was waived, a la AOS from K-1 years ago)? I'm assuming this was an AOS case as an I-864 is not sent to USCIS for a visa.

Then yeah, that would at least be a decent defense of any sort of enforcement of the contract.

 

Although that would indicate that the marriage was over (even if a divorce was not finalized yet) over 5 years ago. If so, it's really time to move on...having a PI investigate an ex, following her public benefit usage, following her life for 5 years, etc. is not healthy.

Report it, but please move on. You are not doing yourself any favors by continuing to dwell on this.

[Mounat02 63]

22 minutes ago, moneythat said:

I wrote a letter to USCIS to withdraw my affidavit of support before she got her green card.

This tells you how much of an uphill battle this is. USCIS decided to grant her the GC even after you tried to withdraw your affidavit of support, which you can't do via a letter as stated earlier.

 

1 hour ago, moneythat said:

Do people commit crimes and expect to not be arrested?

By definition, yes. If people expected to be arrested every time, they wouldn't commit any crimes.

 

 

Edited June 29, 2020 by Mounat02

[moneythat 0]

4 minutes ago, Mounat02 said:

This tells you how much of an uphill battle this is. USCIS decided to grant her the GC even after you tried to withdraw you affidavit of support, which you can't do via a letter, as stated earlier.

 

By definition, yes. If people expected to be arrested every time, they wouldn't commit any crimes.

 

 

I didn't say USCIS approved her green card after I withdrew.  She may have gotten a green card through other means.

Ok, wrong question I asked.  They may not expect to be arrested, but they deserve to be arrested.

Edited June 29, 2020 by moneythat