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Hello All, 

I am about to file the N-400 under the 3 year rule.

I am confused with section 5. where it asks to list my addresses for the past 5 years.

Also, part 8. asks to list employment history for the past 5 years.

 

Since I am applying based on the 3 year rule, should I only cover information on both questions for the past 3 years? or should I include information for the past 5?I have only been living in the US for three years and a half.

I would appreciate your help because there is not a section on the uscis website that specifies this exactly.

Thanks!

 

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I  believe if you file under the three year rule you only have to provide the information for three years. Having said that, I did mine online and it would not let me proceed and said there were missing dates so I gave the info for 5 years for my previous addresses and jobs.  

When it asked if I had left the country in the last 5 years and for travel information I said I had not left because when I looked at the way the questions are structured they ask when you left the US and when you returned and since my visa was only granted 4.5 years ago .... you get where this is going. I think it's just badly worded


Lee & William

8/2/2014 - Sent I-129F Petition with USPS by Express Mail    
8/4/2014 - I-129F delivered to dropbox    8/6/2014 - NOA1 Text/E-Mail received    8/11/2014 - Alien Registration Number Changed (Text/E-Mail) / NOA1 Letter received by Mail    3/16/2015 - NOA2 Text/E-Mail received (224 days)    3/20/2015 - Sent to NVC    3/31/2015 - NVC Received    4/1/2015 - Case Number Assigned       4/7/2015 - NVC Sent to Embassy    4/10/2015 - London Embassy Received    4/11/2015 - Medical     4/15/2015 - Packet 3 Received    4/12/2015 - Packet 3 Sent    4/23/2015 - Packet 4 Received    5/18/2015 - Interview - APPROVED     5/30/2015 - Visa collected from courier    6/1/2015 - POE    6/14/2015 - Wedding 💍💍
 
N400
06/30/2019 - Filed online
06/30/2019 - NOA1
07/16/2019 - Biometrics completed (early walk in - successful) 
Years of waiting for stuff is starting to get old! 
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[1] I also applied for 3 year rule, add 3 year of US address and 2 years of overseas address [2] added three years of work history here and two year or start of the year @ overseas ( if it more than 2 years).

 

No questions asked about them during interview.  All those questions are for their record and background check.  

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My wife did the same as @dilip, she put her foreign address for the time prior to the three plus years she was in the US.


Visa Received : 2014-04-04 (K1 - see timeline for details)

US Entry : 2014-09-12

POE: Detroit

Marriage : 2014-09-27

I-765 Approved: 2015-01-09

I-485 Interview: 2015-03-11

I-485 Approved: 2015-03-13

Green Card Received: 2015-03-24 Yeah!!!

I-751 ROC Submitted: 2016-12-20

I-751 NOA Received:  2016-12-29

I-751 Biometrics Appt.:  2017-01-26

I-751 Interview:  2018-04-10

I-751 Approved:  2018-05-04

N400 Filed:  2018-01-13

N400 Biometrics:  2018-02-22

N400 Interview:  2018-04-10

N400 Approved:  2018-04-10

Oath Ceremony:  2018-06-11 - DONE!!!!!!!

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We input the 5 years worth of information - including her address and workplace prior to moving to the U.S.


K-1...

 

08/09/2015: I-129F mailed
08/14/2015: NOA1 received by email; hardcopy received approximately 08/17/2015
09/14/2015: NOA2 received
09/30/2015: NVC received case
10/02/2015: CEAC status changed to "In Transit"
10/08/2015: CEAC status changed to "Ready"
10/09/2015: Consulate acknowledged receipt via phone; Hardcopy from US DoS with case number.
10/19/2015: Received information from Consulate.
10/28/2015: Medical Exam
11/17/2015: Interview...rescheduled due to computer problems. New date as yet unknown.
11/18/2015: Called in for interview and APPROVED!

11/24/2015: Picked up visa/passport and sealed packet from the Consulate! <happy dance>

02/14/2016: Arrived in the U.S. (POE was Bermuda)...CO was really nice!

02/18/2016: Married! :)

2

AOS...

 

03/02/2016: AOS/EAD/AP Package mailed
03/14/2016: I-485/765/131 NOAs received by mail. USCIS Received Date 03/04/2016; USCIS Notice Date 03/10/2016
03/25/2016: Received biometrics appointment letter for I-485 & I-765
04/04/2016: Biometrics appointment
04/26/2016: Received notification that the I-131 was approved and the name was updated on the I-765
05/23/2016: Received notice that card was being produced for I-765.
05/28/2016: Received EAD/AP card.
06/01/2016: Received electronic notice that AOS interview has been scheduled.
06/30/2016: I-485 interview at USCIS Baltimore Field Office.
09/01/2016: InfoPass appointment made for 09/07/2016.
09/06/2016: Received electronic notification that I-485 was approved on 09/02/2016.
09/09/2016: Received approval letter.
09/14/2016: Green Card delivered! :)

 

ROC...

 

06/13/2018: I-751 package mailed to Vermont Service Center
06/25/2018: NOA/extension letter received, dated 06/19/2018

07/14/2018: Received ASC notice for Biometrics Appointment

07/25/18: Completed Biometrics

06/13/19: Received email notification of card production. I-751 approved!

06/19/19: 10yr card delivered!

 
 
 

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On 7/3/2019 at 10:29 AM, dilip said:

[1] I also applied for 3 year rule, add 3 year of US address and 2 years of overseas address [2] added three years of work history here and two year or start of the year @ overseas ( if it more than 2 years).

 

No questions asked about them during interview.  All those questions are for their record and background check.  

Thank you for your answer. Opinions on this matter are very mixed but if you did 5 years and had no problems I am guessing I will do the same.

On 7/3/2019 at 1:12 PM, Bill & Katya said:

My wife did the same as @dilip, she put her foreign address for the time prior to the three plus years she was in the US.

Thanks for your response,

did she already get approved?

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5 hours ago, tamcloud said:

We input the 5 years worth of information - including her address and workplace prior to moving to the U.S.

Thanks for your answer. And how did everything go? Did she already get approved?

im thinking about including info from the last five years too.

On 7/2/2019 at 6:20 PM, wbeem said:

I  believe if you file under the three year rule you only have to provide the information for three years. Having said that, I did mine online and it would not let me proceed and said there were missing dates so I gave the info for 5 years for my previous addresses and jobs.  

When it asked if I had left the country in the last 5 years and for travel information I said I had not left because when I looked at the way the questions are structured they ask when you left the US and when you returned and since my visa was only granted 4.5 years ago .... you get where this is going. I think it's just badly worded

Thank you for your reply. And how did everything go? Did you already get approved?

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1 minute ago, vane2018 said:

Thanks for your answer. And how did everything go? Did she already get approved?

im thinking about including info from the last five years too.

We only just applied last week. Estimation is September 2020; we've got quite a wait ahead. 


K-1...

 

08/09/2015: I-129F mailed
08/14/2015: NOA1 received by email; hardcopy received approximately 08/17/2015
09/14/2015: NOA2 received
09/30/2015: NVC received case
10/02/2015: CEAC status changed to "In Transit"
10/08/2015: CEAC status changed to "Ready"
10/09/2015: Consulate acknowledged receipt via phone; Hardcopy from US DoS with case number.
10/19/2015: Received information from Consulate.
10/28/2015: Medical Exam
11/17/2015: Interview...rescheduled due to computer problems. New date as yet unknown.
11/18/2015: Called in for interview and APPROVED!

11/24/2015: Picked up visa/passport and sealed packet from the Consulate! <happy dance>

02/14/2016: Arrived in the U.S. (POE was Bermuda)...CO was really nice!

02/18/2016: Married! :)

2

AOS...

 

03/02/2016: AOS/EAD/AP Package mailed
03/14/2016: I-485/765/131 NOAs received by mail. USCIS Received Date 03/04/2016; USCIS Notice Date 03/10/2016
03/25/2016: Received biometrics appointment letter for I-485 & I-765
04/04/2016: Biometrics appointment
04/26/2016: Received notification that the I-131 was approved and the name was updated on the I-765
05/23/2016: Received notice that card was being produced for I-765.
05/28/2016: Received EAD/AP card.
06/01/2016: Received electronic notice that AOS interview has been scheduled.
06/30/2016: I-485 interview at USCIS Baltimore Field Office.
09/01/2016: InfoPass appointment made for 09/07/2016.
09/06/2016: Received electronic notification that I-485 was approved on 09/02/2016.
09/09/2016: Received approval letter.
09/14/2016: Green Card delivered! :)

 

ROC...

 

06/13/2018: I-751 package mailed to Vermont Service Center
06/25/2018: NOA/extension letter received, dated 06/19/2018

07/14/2018: Received ASC notice for Biometrics Appointment

07/25/18: Completed Biometrics

06/13/19: Received email notification of card production. I-751 approved!

06/19/19: 10yr card delivered!

 
 
 

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31 minutes ago, vane2018 said:

 

Thank you for your reply. And how did everything go? Did you already get approved?

Not yet. It's early days for us. I just applied a week ago, but I think we will be fine. I'm actually glad that there is always an interview for naturalization, because if you need to update anything or clarify, it's so much easier to do it speaking to a person face to face than through forms and mail. 


Lee & William

8/2/2014 - Sent I-129F Petition with USPS by Express Mail    
8/4/2014 - I-129F delivered to dropbox    8/6/2014 - NOA1 Text/E-Mail received    8/11/2014 - Alien Registration Number Changed (Text/E-Mail) / NOA1 Letter received by Mail    3/16/2015 - NOA2 Text/E-Mail received (224 days)    3/20/2015 - Sent to NVC    3/31/2015 - NVC Received    4/1/2015 - Case Number Assigned       4/7/2015 - NVC Sent to Embassy    4/10/2015 - London Embassy Received    4/11/2015 - Medical     4/15/2015 - Packet 3 Received    4/12/2015 - Packet 3 Sent    4/23/2015 - Packet 4 Received    5/18/2015 - Interview - APPROVED     5/30/2015 - Visa collected from courier    6/1/2015 - POE    6/14/2015 - Wedding 💍💍
 
N400
06/30/2019 - Filed online
06/30/2019 - NOA1
07/16/2019 - Biometrics completed (early walk in - successful) 
Years of waiting for stuff is starting to get old! 
⏱⏱⏱ ....

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34 minutes ago, vane2018 said:

Thank you for your answer. Opinions on this matter are very mixed but if you did 5 years and had no problems I am guessing I will do the same.

Thanks for your response,

did she already get approved?

Yes

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I'm confused as well, about Part 9, time outside the USA. We are here 4 years. And my husband has traveled outside the USA twice during that time. BUT should I include the year before we moved here? So, should I put today's date, 5 years ago, and his date of entry, 4 years ago, as a "trip" outside the USA?

@wbeem, you excluded that half a year prior to living in the USA?

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50 minutes ago, kepek said:

I'm confused as well, about Part 9, time outside the USA. We are here 4 years. And my husband has traveled outside the USA twice during that time. BUT should I include the year before we moved here? So, should I put today's date, 5 years ago, and his date of entry, 4 years ago, as a "trip" outside the USA?

@wbeem, you excluded that half a year prior to living in the USA?

I did. Just left it out. I haven't traveled outside the USA since I entered on a K1 in 2015. 

You can't leave the USA before you got here.

If I enter information in there for my 'last trip' which was actually TO the USA not from it, that makes it look like I was gone for months on end. I can't 'leave' the US before I moved here. That was my logic and I figured I will explain this at the interview. I'm pretty sure that the form has omited the 'or 3 if filing under the 3 year rule' in the question there. 


Lee & William

8/2/2014 - Sent I-129F Petition with USPS by Express Mail    
8/4/2014 - I-129F delivered to dropbox    8/6/2014 - NOA1 Text/E-Mail received    8/11/2014 - Alien Registration Number Changed (Text/E-Mail) / NOA1 Letter received by Mail    3/16/2015 - NOA2 Text/E-Mail received (224 days)    3/20/2015 - Sent to NVC    3/31/2015 - NVC Received    4/1/2015 - Case Number Assigned       4/7/2015 - NVC Sent to Embassy    4/10/2015 - London Embassy Received    4/11/2015 - Medical     4/15/2015 - Packet 3 Received    4/12/2015 - Packet 3 Sent    4/23/2015 - Packet 4 Received    5/18/2015 - Interview - APPROVED     5/30/2015 - Visa collected from courier    6/1/2015 - POE    6/14/2015 - Wedding 💍💍
 
N400
06/30/2019 - Filed online
06/30/2019 - NOA1
07/16/2019 - Biometrics completed (early walk in - successful) 
Years of waiting for stuff is starting to get old! 
⏱⏱⏱ ....

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38 minutes ago, wbeem said:

I did. Just left it out. I haven't traveled outside the USA since I entered on a K1 in 2015. 

You can't leave the USA before you got here.

If I enter information in there for my 'last trip' which was actually TO the USA not from it, that makes it look like I was gone for months on end. I can't 'leave' the US before I moved here. That was my logic and I figured I will explain this at the interview. I'm pretty sure that the form has omited the 'or 3 if filing under the 3 year rule' in the question there. 

Thanks! Everything else has seemed straightforward to me. Got to that question and got confused. We have his residency back to 2009 because we lived in the same house from then til 2015 when we arrived here. 

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On 8/13/2019 at 12:38 PM, wbeem said:

I did. Just left it out. I haven't traveled outside the USA since I entered on a K1 in 2015. 

You can't leave the USA before you got here.

If I enter information in there for my 'last trip' which was actually TO the USA not from it, that makes it look like I was gone for months on end. I can't 'leave' the US before I moved here. That was my logic and I figured I will explain this at the interview. I'm pretty sure that the form has omited the 'or 3 if filing under the 3 year rule' in the question there. 

@wbeem I asked this question an a previous thread but I figured I'd ask you too.

 

Not sure how to answer the question Have you taken a trip outside of the United States in the last 5 years?

Came on a K1 visa in June 2016 and haven't traveled outside the USA since then.

 

However I came to the US two times before on a B2 and J1 visa (in 2015). If I add those dates i get 396 days outside the US. - But I was not a LPR back then.

 

Should I answer NO? My understanding is that you selected no, correct?

 

Thanks


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3 minutes ago, alexpop13 said:

@wbeem I asked this question an a previous thread but I figured I'd ask you too.

 

Not sure how to answer the question Have you taken a trip outside of the United States in the last 5 years?

Came on a K1 visa in June 2016 and haven't traveled outside the USA since then.

 

However I came to the US two times before on a B2 and J1 visa (in 2015). If I add those dates i get 396 days outside the US. - But I was not a LPR back then.

 

Should I answer NO? My understanding is that you selected no, correct?

 

Thanks

Yes, you are correct. I answered no on the basis that the 5 year period covered farther back than the time at which I entered the US. I couldn’t take a trip outside the US before I moved here. This was only tricky for me because I’m applying in the 3 year spouse rule. I’d been legally resident in the US just over four years at the time of applying. So there was about 10 months or so in the past 5 years that’s irrelevant to the question. I’m not explaining this very well. I hope it makes sense. 


Lee & William

8/2/2014 - Sent I-129F Petition with USPS by Express Mail    
8/4/2014 - I-129F delivered to dropbox    8/6/2014 - NOA1 Text/E-Mail received    8/11/2014 - Alien Registration Number Changed (Text/E-Mail) / NOA1 Letter received by Mail    3/16/2015 - NOA2 Text/E-Mail received (224 days)    3/20/2015 - Sent to NVC    3/31/2015 - NVC Received    4/1/2015 - Case Number Assigned       4/7/2015 - NVC Sent to Embassy    4/10/2015 - London Embassy Received    4/11/2015 - Medical     4/15/2015 - Packet 3 Received    4/12/2015 - Packet 3 Sent    4/23/2015 - Packet 4 Received    5/18/2015 - Interview - APPROVED     5/30/2015 - Visa collected from courier    6/1/2015 - POE    6/14/2015 - Wedding 💍💍
 
N400
06/30/2019 - Filed online
06/30/2019 - NOA1
07/16/2019 - Biometrics completed (early walk in - successful) 
Years of waiting for stuff is starting to get old! 
⏱⏱⏱ ....

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