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Two of the very important questions during the interview are, if you have ever stated orally or in written to be a US citizen! And also agreeing to give up loyalty to your previous country/ies of citizenship as part of becoming a US citizen. I am curious, after becoming a US citizen, if it would be against any law when you are asked to identify yourself,  to reply  being a US & any other country's citizen all together? I know you could keep other citizenship/s ( except few countries), but what specifically wanted to know if it is that sensetive, the person finds himself/herself the citizen of other countries while having agreed to give up loyalty to those contries after citizenship oath!   Being dual citizen is not illigal! And i know that! My emphesis is on identifying yourself as dual while you have taken oath just to be a US citizen!  Am i making my point clear?

 

 

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I think you’re worrying unnecessarily because although the USA does not recognize dual citizenship, nobody is going to bother after your naturalization when you identify yourself as a dual citizen or display allegiance to your other country. Nor is it against any law.

 

Now if you’ve ever made false claim to US Citizenship, you’re ineligible to ever become a US citizen. It’s not as simple as that though, for example if you lied to a friend that you’re a citizen it doesn’t count. It must meet certain specific criteria before you will be disqualified because of it.

 

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For a foreign national to be inadmissible based on false claim to U.S. citizenship, an officer must find all of the following elements:

 

The foreign national made a representation of U.S. citizenship;

The representation was false;

 

The foreign national made the false representation knowingly; and

 

The foreign national made the false representation for any purpose or benefit under the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) or any other federal or state law.

 

I hope I understood your question correctly. Wasn’t too clear.

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1 minute ago, Dave&Kal said:

I find it a paradox, while you taking an oath to give up loyalty to other countries and still you identify yourself as those country's citizen! I mean being a citizen, doesnt mean you are still loyal? 

I know exactly what you mean. You know sometimes legal bureaucratic things don’t make sense. 

 

Don’t worry yourself, it’s one of those things you just accept as is.


I am not in this world to live up to your expectations,

Neither are you here to live up to mine.

I don't owe no one no obligation 
So everything is fine, fine

I said, I am that I am I am, I am, I am

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14 minutes ago, Dave&Kal said:

I am curious, after becoming a US citizen, if it would be against any law when you are asked to identify yourself,  to reply  being a US & any other country's citizen all together?

No, it's not against the law.

 

14 minutes ago, Dave&Kal said:

My emphesis is on identifying yourself as dual while you have taken oath just to be a US citizen!  Am i making my point clear?

 

Personally speaking for only myself, the only time I ever refer to myself as "American" is at the US border.

 

Otherwise---when people ask me my nationality, or where I'm from I say "I'm a Canadian living in America", or that "I was born and raised in Canada, but I live in America now", or say "I'm a dual Canadian/American citizen.

 

However, when visiting Canada, I refer to myself as Canadian only. 

 

Whatever you feel comfortable with, is what I think.


Applied for Naturalization based on 5-year Residency - 96 Days To Complete Citizenship!

July 14, 2017 (Day 00) -  Submitted N400 Application, filed online

July 21, 2017 (Day 07) -  NOA Receipt received in the mail

July 22, 2017 (Day 08) - Biometrics appointment scheduled online, letter mailed out

July 25, 2017 (Day 11) - Biometrics PDF posted online

July 28, 2017 (Day 14) - Biometrics letter received in the mail, appointment for 08/08/17

Aug 08, 2017 (Day 24) - Biometrics (fingerprinting) completed

Aug 14, 2017 (Day 30) - Online EGOV status shows "Interview Scheduled, will mail appointment letter"

Aug 16, 2017 (Day 32) - Online MYUSCIS status shows "Interview Scheduled, read the letter we mailed you..."

Aug 17, 2017 (Day 33) - Interview Appointment Letter PDF posted online---GOT AN INTERVIEW DATE!!!

Aug 21, 2017 (Day 37) - Interview Appointment Letter received in the mail, appointment for 09/27/17

Sep. 27, 2017 (Day 74) - Naturalization Interview--- read my experience here

Sep. 27, 2017 (Day 74) - Online MYUSCIS status shows "Oath Ceremony Notice mailed"

Sep. 28, 2017 (Day 75) - Oath Ceremony Letter PDF posted online--Ceremony for 10/19/17

Oct. 02, 2017 (Day 79) -  Oath Ceremony Letter received in the mail

Oct. 19, 2017 (Day 96) -  Oath Ceremony-- read my experience here

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Going through said:

 

Personally speaking for only myself, the only time I ever refer to myself as "American" is at the US border.

 

Otherwise---when people ask me my nationality, or where I'm from I say "I'm a Canadian living in America", or that "I was born and raised in Canada, but I live in America now", or say "I'm a dual Canadian/American citizen.

 

However, when visiting Canada, I refer to myself as Canadian only.

Well, that was more about border situation for myself as well. A couple of times when crossing the Canadian border, i found calling yourself Canadian creates longer delay since driving a US license plate creates more questions for the immigration people, its more about import export tax related concerns! Also on US border side is always the concern where you reside! And then the citizenship question! 

 

 

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6 minutes ago, Dave&Kal said:

Well, that was more about border situation for myself as well. A couple of times when crossing the Canadian border, i found calling yourself Canadian creates longer delay since driving a US license plate creates more questions for the immigration people, its more about import export tax related concerns! Also on US border side is always the concern where you reside! And then the citizenship question! 

 

 

Legally, once a citizen, you are required to declare yourself as American when entering the US.  Canada has no such rule (you don't have to declare yourself Canadian upon entry).

 

When I enter Canada, they ask me "how long were you in the US?" ---I tell them I live in NY, showing my Canadian passport.  They wave me through.

When I leave the US, I board the plane with my American passport.  When landing in NY, I show my American passport again and they ask me how long I vacationed in Canada. 

 

Driving, same thing.

 

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Applied for Naturalization based on 5-year Residency - 96 Days To Complete Citizenship!

July 14, 2017 (Day 00) -  Submitted N400 Application, filed online

July 21, 2017 (Day 07) -  NOA Receipt received in the mail

July 22, 2017 (Day 08) - Biometrics appointment scheduled online, letter mailed out

July 25, 2017 (Day 11) - Biometrics PDF posted online

July 28, 2017 (Day 14) - Biometrics letter received in the mail, appointment for 08/08/17

Aug 08, 2017 (Day 24) - Biometrics (fingerprinting) completed

Aug 14, 2017 (Day 30) - Online EGOV status shows "Interview Scheduled, will mail appointment letter"

Aug 16, 2017 (Day 32) - Online MYUSCIS status shows "Interview Scheduled, read the letter we mailed you..."

Aug 17, 2017 (Day 33) - Interview Appointment Letter PDF posted online---GOT AN INTERVIEW DATE!!!

Aug 21, 2017 (Day 37) - Interview Appointment Letter received in the mail, appointment for 09/27/17

Sep. 27, 2017 (Day 74) - Naturalization Interview--- read my experience here

Sep. 27, 2017 (Day 74) - Online MYUSCIS status shows "Oath Ceremony Notice mailed"

Sep. 28, 2017 (Day 75) - Oath Ceremony Letter PDF posted online--Ceremony for 10/19/17

Oct. 02, 2017 (Day 79) -  Oath Ceremony Letter received in the mail

Oct. 19, 2017 (Day 96) -  Oath Ceremony-- read my experience here

 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Going through said:
12 minutes ago, Dave&Kal said:

 

Legally, once a citizen, you are required to declare yourself as American when entering the US.  Canada has no such rule (you don't have to declare yourself Canadian upon entry)

Didnt know that ! Nice to know. Thanks.  So in other words, the US government will never consider you anything but an American after taking the oath!  How about Canada? Would they recognize you as only Canadian or both US and Canadian? Or just an American with Canadian citizenship privileges?

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5 minutes ago, Dave&Kal said:

Didnt know that ! Nice to know. Thanks.  So in other words, the US government will never consider you anything but an American after taking the oath!  How about Canada? Would they recognize you as only Canadian or both US and Canadian? Or just an American with Canadian citizenship privileges?

Canada is more tolerant of dual citizenship than America, when it comes to declaring it openly I've found.

Most Canadians seem more puzzled than anything when I admit to naturalizing as an American.  

 

Once when I was on the phone with Revenue Canada, I started off my query with the words "I'm a Canadian living in America now, and..."  She cut me off and seriously said "why would you do that?" really slowly  LOL

Edited by Going through

Applied for Naturalization based on 5-year Residency - 96 Days To Complete Citizenship!

July 14, 2017 (Day 00) -  Submitted N400 Application, filed online

July 21, 2017 (Day 07) -  NOA Receipt received in the mail

July 22, 2017 (Day 08) - Biometrics appointment scheduled online, letter mailed out

July 25, 2017 (Day 11) - Biometrics PDF posted online

July 28, 2017 (Day 14) - Biometrics letter received in the mail, appointment for 08/08/17

Aug 08, 2017 (Day 24) - Biometrics (fingerprinting) completed

Aug 14, 2017 (Day 30) - Online EGOV status shows "Interview Scheduled, will mail appointment letter"

Aug 16, 2017 (Day 32) - Online MYUSCIS status shows "Interview Scheduled, read the letter we mailed you..."

Aug 17, 2017 (Day 33) - Interview Appointment Letter PDF posted online---GOT AN INTERVIEW DATE!!!

Aug 21, 2017 (Day 37) - Interview Appointment Letter received in the mail, appointment for 09/27/17

Sep. 27, 2017 (Day 74) - Naturalization Interview--- read my experience here

Sep. 27, 2017 (Day 74) - Online MYUSCIS status shows "Oath Ceremony Notice mailed"

Sep. 28, 2017 (Day 75) - Oath Ceremony Letter PDF posted online--Ceremony for 10/19/17

Oct. 02, 2017 (Day 79) -  Oath Ceremony Letter received in the mail

Oct. 19, 2017 (Day 96) -  Oath Ceremony-- read my experience here

 

 

 

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Also----you have to remember that your shiny new US passport WILL list your country of birth in it....so there's no hiding the fact that you're a Canuck 😛 


Applied for Naturalization based on 5-year Residency - 96 Days To Complete Citizenship!

July 14, 2017 (Day 00) -  Submitted N400 Application, filed online

July 21, 2017 (Day 07) -  NOA Receipt received in the mail

July 22, 2017 (Day 08) - Biometrics appointment scheduled online, letter mailed out

July 25, 2017 (Day 11) - Biometrics PDF posted online

July 28, 2017 (Day 14) - Biometrics letter received in the mail, appointment for 08/08/17

Aug 08, 2017 (Day 24) - Biometrics (fingerprinting) completed

Aug 14, 2017 (Day 30) - Online EGOV status shows "Interview Scheduled, will mail appointment letter"

Aug 16, 2017 (Day 32) - Online MYUSCIS status shows "Interview Scheduled, read the letter we mailed you..."

Aug 17, 2017 (Day 33) - Interview Appointment Letter PDF posted online---GOT AN INTERVIEW DATE!!!

Aug 21, 2017 (Day 37) - Interview Appointment Letter received in the mail, appointment for 09/27/17

Sep. 27, 2017 (Day 74) - Naturalization Interview--- read my experience here

Sep. 27, 2017 (Day 74) - Online MYUSCIS status shows "Oath Ceremony Notice mailed"

Sep. 28, 2017 (Day 75) - Oath Ceremony Letter PDF posted online--Ceremony for 10/19/17

Oct. 02, 2017 (Day 79) -  Oath Ceremony Letter received in the mail

Oct. 19, 2017 (Day 96) -  Oath Ceremony-- read my experience here

 

 

 

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12 minutes ago, Dave&Kal said:

So in other words, the US government will never consider you anything but an American after taking the oath!

Right. It won't recognize dual citizenship, but will recognize your US citizenship fine. What other countries recognize you as is not of concern to the US.


Timelines:

Spoiler

AOS (I-485 + I-131 + I-765):

9/25/17: sent forms to Chicago

9/27/17: received by USCIS

10/4/17: NOA1 electronic notification received

10/10/17: NOA1 hard copy received. Social Security card being issued in married name (3rd attempt!)

10/14/17: Biometrics appointment notice received

10/25/17: Biometrics

1/2/18: EAD + AP approved (no website update)

1/5/18: EAD + AP mailed

1/8/18: EAD + AP approval notice hardcopies received

1/10/18: EAD + AP received

9/5/18: Interview scheduled notice

10/17/18: Interview

10/24/18: Green card produced notice

10/25/18: Formal approval

10/31/18: Green card received

 

K-1:

Spoiler

I-129F

12/1/17: sent

12/14/17: NOA1 hard copy received

3/10/17: RFE (IMB verification)

3/22/17: RFE response received

3/24/17: Approved!

3/30/17: NOA2 hard copy received

 

NVC

4/6/2017: Received

4/12/2017: Sent to Riyadh embassy

4/16/2017: Case received at Riyadh embassy

4/21/2017: Request case transfer to Manila, approved 4/24/2017

 

K-1

5/1/2017: Case received by Manila (1 week embassy transfer??? Lucky~)

7/13/2017: Interview: APPROVED!!!

7/19/2017: Visa in hand

8/15/2017: POE

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Going through said:

Canada is more tolerant

On second thought i should disagree to some levels though! Its more about the party in power i guess! I remember Harper trying to cancel Canadian citizenship of those not really residing in Canada for long and benefiting the citizenship coverage outside the borders! Though that plan is history now 🙂

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4 minutes ago, Dave&Kal said:

I remember Harper trying to cancel Canadian citizenship of those not really residing in Canada for long and benefiting the citizenship coverage outside the borders! Though that plan is history now 🙂

I prefer how Justin Trudeau put it when he was sparring with Harper:

 

"A Canadian is a Canadian is a Canadian."


Applied for Naturalization based on 5-year Residency - 96 Days To Complete Citizenship!

July 14, 2017 (Day 00) -  Submitted N400 Application, filed online

July 21, 2017 (Day 07) -  NOA Receipt received in the mail

July 22, 2017 (Day 08) - Biometrics appointment scheduled online, letter mailed out

July 25, 2017 (Day 11) - Biometrics PDF posted online

July 28, 2017 (Day 14) - Biometrics letter received in the mail, appointment for 08/08/17

Aug 08, 2017 (Day 24) - Biometrics (fingerprinting) completed

Aug 14, 2017 (Day 30) - Online EGOV status shows "Interview Scheduled, will mail appointment letter"

Aug 16, 2017 (Day 32) - Online MYUSCIS status shows "Interview Scheduled, read the letter we mailed you..."

Aug 17, 2017 (Day 33) - Interview Appointment Letter PDF posted online---GOT AN INTERVIEW DATE!!!

Aug 21, 2017 (Day 37) - Interview Appointment Letter received in the mail, appointment for 09/27/17

Sep. 27, 2017 (Day 74) - Naturalization Interview--- read my experience here

Sep. 27, 2017 (Day 74) - Online MYUSCIS status shows "Oath Ceremony Notice mailed"

Sep. 28, 2017 (Day 75) - Oath Ceremony Letter PDF posted online--Ceremony for 10/19/17

Oct. 02, 2017 (Day 79) -  Oath Ceremony Letter received in the mail

Oct. 19, 2017 (Day 96) -  Oath Ceremony-- read my experience here

 

 

 

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