RFE_request for evidence related to the beneficiary's statement

[samibilal 1]

Hey everyone

 

I filed the application in July 2017

Received RFE for bona fide marriage on November 08, 2017 :

 

On march 29 2016 the beneficiary applied for visa and the beneficiary stated he desires to visit New York and he is married with two kids and he doesn't know anyone in USA please provide an explanation and evidence related to the beneficiary's statement I don't know what they mean with this what kind of evidence they need cause I got married to his on may 15 2017 after he got divorced oct 2016
I don't know what kind of evident I have to provide .....?????

this is the complicate case ?????

Thank u 

 

 

Edited November 24, 2017 by samibilal

[geowrian 22,339]

I think we need more information...what's the full timeline? When did you and your spouse first contact each other? When did you first meet? How many times (and for how long) did you meet him in person before marriage?

It sounds like they doubt that he was honest when he applied for the tourist visa.

 

The letter sounds like they are seriously questioning that the marriage is bona fide. I'll also just note that USCIS is the easy part...Morocco is considered high fraud and they are much more difficult to get through. Do you have any other red flags (i.e. what's the age gap? Are you the same religion?)?

[samibilal 1]

1 hour ago, geowrian said:

I think we need more information...what's the full timeline? When did you and your spouse first contact each other? When did you first meet? How many times (and for how long) did you meet him in person before marriage?

It sounds like they doubt that he was honest when he applied for the tourist visa.

 

The letter sounds like they are seriously questioning that the marriage is bona fide. I'll also just note that USCIS is the easy part...Morocco is considered high fraud and they are much more difficult to get through. Do you have any other red flags (i.e. what's the age gap? Are you the same religion?)?

Thank you

What about this : On march 29 2016 the beneficiary applied for visa and the beneficiary stated he desires to visit New York and he is married with two kids and he doesn't know anyone in USA please provide an explanation and evidence related to the beneficiary's statement I don't know what they mean with this what kind of evidence they need cause I got married to his on may 15 2017 after he got divorced oct 2016
I don't know what kind of evident I have to provide .....?????

[Longingfor 195]

From what I understand your husband said he knew on in the United States but months later he married you a US citizen.  So if he knew no one how is it that he married you. They doubt your husband based on that. In essence he lied because if he knew you prior to that your case is in big trouble. If he met you after that interview then you need to prove that.

[JFH 12,195]

Yes, what they are saying is they want a timeline from you to full in the gaps.

 

Apparently your husband applied for a tourist visa in March 2016 and stated he knew no one here. He claimed to be married (not separated or divorced) with two children at the time.

 

By October of that year he was already divorced from the wife referred to in the interview for the tourist visa in March 2016.

 

By May 2017 he was married to you but he claims he didn't know anyone (not even you) in the USA in March 2016 so they want to know how and when you met. Presumably it was after March 2016? 

 

Basically what they are suggesting is he divorced his wife to marry you just to get into the USA. They suspect the marriage is purely for immigration benefit. You have to demonstrate otherwise. 

 

Did you list his children on the I-130? It sounds like they are also questioning his claim of having 2 children in March 2016.  

[samibilal 1]

22 minutes ago, JFH said:

Yes, what they are saying is they want a timeline from you to full in the gaps.

 

Apparently your husband applied for a tourist visa in March 2016 and stated he knew no one here. He claimed to be married (not separated or divorced) with two children at the time.

 

By October of that year he was already divorced from the wife referred to in the interview for the tourist visa in March 2016.

 

By May 2017 he was married to you but he claims he didn't know anyone (not even you) in the USA in March 2016 so they want to know how and when you met. Presumably it was after March 2016? 

 

Basically what they are suggesting is he divorced his wife to marry you just to get into the USA. They suspect the marriage is purely for immigration benefit. You have to demonstrate otherwise. 

 

Did you list his children on the I-130? It sounds like they are also questioning his claim of having 2 children in March 2016.  

We was just a mutual friend and we were part of the same group member of Moroccan community, in which he had asked me a question concerning the refusal visitor visa, than i added him to discuss the matter, than after we develop a friendship but I never met him in person. Our first meeting face to face was in France on May 2016, We liked each other a lot than it became love but we got engaged after he separation than we decided to get married afterward

Edited November 24, 2017 by samibilal

[JFH 12,195]

3 hours ago, samibilal said:

We was just a mutual friend and we were part of the same group member of Moroccan community, in which he had asked me a question concerning the refusal visitor visa, than i added him to discuss the matter, than after we develop a friendship but I never met him in person. Our first meeting face to face was in France on May 2016, We liked each other a lot than it became love but we got engaged after he separation than we decided to get married afterward

So after the refusal on March 29, 2016 (almost April) you started talking but agreed to meet in person in May that year, just a few weeks later. Why did you meet in France? Was he living in France at the time? There is a lot to explain here. 

[Nitas_man 3,100]

7 hours ago, samibilal said:

We was just a mutual friend and we were part of the same group member of Moroccan community, in which he had asked me a question concerning the refusal visitor visa, than i added him to discuss the matter, than after we develop a friendship but I never met him in person. Our first meeting face to face was in France on May 2016, We liked each other a lot than it became love but we got engaged after he separation than we decided to get married afterward

Basically you are saying that it was the subject of the visa refusal in March 2016 that caused you to originally start talking in the first place?

 

That's really cool. 

 

You DID list his previous marriage and children in the I-130 though right?

 

 

[samibilal 1]

20 minutes ago, Nitas_man said:

Basically you are saying that it was the subject of the visa refusal in March 2016 that caused you to originally start talking in the first place?

 

That's really cool. 

 

You DID list his previous marriage and children in the I-130 though right?

 

 

Thank you for your help

_Yes, it was the subject of the visa refusal in March 2016 that caused we to originally start talking in the first place.

_Yes, I listed his previous marriage and children in I-130

Edited November 25, 2017 by samibilal

[Nitas_man 3,100]

3 minutes ago, samibilal said:

Thank you for your help

_Yes, it was the subject of the visa refusal in March 2016 that caused we to originally start talking in the first place.

_Yes, I listed his previous marriage and children in I-130

I believe they want a timeline from the time you met to now.  Along with evidence.  SO:  I would start at that point - how you met, what were the circumstances (which I find to be pretty cool since it was their own denied visa that got you talking), and then build from there.  Passport stamps and trips to meet each other.  When and where did you finally marry with evidence of that trip and the wedding and the marriage itself. 

Not many couples who live in different countries have evidence of co-mingled assets.  A good, clear timeline of what you WERE able to do together seems to be what they are asking for at a minimum.

 

 

[samibilal 1]

5 hours ago, JFH said:

So after the refusal on March 29, 2016 (almost April) you started talking but agreed to meet in person in May that year, just a few weeks later. Why did you meet in France? Was he living in France at the time? There is a lot to explain here. 

Because it was the first time we saw each other, and we both had some day off, and we wanted to be away from the stress of his pay. 

 

8 hours ago, JFH said:

Yes, what they are saying is they want a timeline from you to full in the gaps.

 

Apparently your husband applied for a tourist visa in March 2016 and stated he knew no one here. He claimed to be married (not separated or divorced) with two children at the time.

 

By October of that year he was already divorced from the wife referred to in the interview for the tourist visa in March 2016.

 

By May 2017 he was married to you but he claims he didn't know anyone (not even you) in the USA in March 2016 so they want to know how and when you met. Presumably it was after March 2016? 

 

Basically what they are suggesting is he divorced his wife to marry you just to get into the USA. They suspect the marriage is purely for immigration benefit. You have to demonstrate otherwise. 

 

Did you list his children on the I-130? It sounds like they are also questioning his claim of having 2 children in March 2016.  

- We was just a mutual friend and we were part of the same group member of Moroccan community, in which he had asked me a question concerning the refusal visitor visa, than i added him to discuss the matter (it was the subject of the visa refusal in March 2016 that caused we to originally start talking in the first place),  than after we develop a friendship but I never met him in person. Our first meeting face to face was in France on May 2016, We liked each other a lot than it became love, but we got engaged after he separation than we decided to get married afterward

- We have more than 100 photos together in different situations to prove that it is a true love relationship, because I have traveled to him 12 times since our meeting, and we have been seen 3 times in Europe

[samibilal 1]

33 minutes ago, Nitas_man said:

I believe they want a timeline from the time you met to now.  Along with evidence.  SO:  I would start at that point - how you met, what were the circumstances (which I find to be pretty cool since it was their own denied visa that got you talking), and then build from there.  Passport stamps and trips to meet each other.  When and where did you finally marry with evidence of that trip and the wedding and the marriage itself. 

Not many couples who live in different countries have evidence of co-mingled assets.  A good, clear timeline of what you WERE able to do together seems to be what they are asking for at a minimum.

 

 

I just want to add that we have more than 100 photos together in different situations to prove that it is a true love relationship, because I have traveled to him 12 times since our meeting, and we have been seen 3 times in Europe

Thank you so much 

[JFH 12,195]

5 hours ago, samibilal said:

I just want to add that we have more than 100 photos together in different situations to prove that it is a true love relationship,

The photos only prove you have a working camera. Photos don't prove a relationship but can be submitted as evidence (big difference between proof and evidence). You have a very uphill battle here so it's important to bear in mind that nothing is "proof". Your evidence needs to be stronger than USCIS's doubt. At the moment their doubt is very strong. 

 

Just interested what job you do that allows you to make 12 overseas trips in 18 months. I wish I had that much time off. 

[samibilal 1]

47 minutes ago, JFH said:

The photos only prove you have a working camera. Photos don't prove a relationship but can be submitted as evidence (big difference between proof and evidence). You have a very uphill battle here so it's important to bear in mind that nothing is "proof". Your evidence needs to be stronger than USCIS's doubt. At the moment their doubt is very strong. 

 

Just interested what job you do that allows you to make 12 overseas trips in 18 months. I wish I had that much time off. 

Thank for your help

Even if we have the proofs that we live in Morocco together, (contract of rent and contract of water and electricity with our both names), and also plane tickets together ???

[JFH 12,195]

So do you live in Morocco with him or do you live in the USA and have made 12 trips to see him? 

 

Your timeline is confusing. When did you move to Morocco?