Atlanta immigration detainee dies

[Mr&Mrs G. 903]

Just now, CaliCat said:

 

Not I. You're the one playing with words. I am just pointing out the words you're playing with are not included in either article - the one posted by the OP or the one you posted yourself.

 

 

I am not an immigration lawyer and this is not court so I don't need to speak the lingo.

 

Common sense says the guy was illegal, or do you really think he was undocumented because he lost the correct paperwork?

 

 

 

 

[yuna628 9,995]

7 minutes ago, CaliCat said:

 

Immigration laws in the US are different from those in Ireland. 

UK immigration law handles those on the VWP the same way we do actually, with some slight differences. You can still be denied entry and removed to the next plane home - but that does not mean you were ever illegal. You were simply 'denied entry clearance'. Whereas in the US we'd tell the person they'd need to seek a visa or proper documents next time, the UK actually allows the person to keep making attempts on their own merit until the officer is satisfied.

 

23 minutes ago, CaliCat said:

 

Furthermore, in English "being denied entry" doesn't mean you're "in." It's the opposite of that, in fact. LOL. 

Indeed. Being denied entry does not make someone illegal. What a strange notion. The consequences of being illegal are very different from being merely denied entry. They've followed the correct process, and we follow ours. They deemed his documentation insufficient for whatever reason they choose, but that didn't mean that Mr Patel was branded illegal. He did not physically cross a border - he asked to cross the border as immigration law requires and was denied.

Edited May 18, 2017 by yuna628

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

26 minutes ago, Mr&Mrs G. said:

Mr. Jimenez entered ICE custody March 2 in Wake County, North Carolina, pursuant to an ICE immigration detainer following his release from local law enforcement custody after his Jan. 5 felony conviction for larceny of a motor vehicle. At this time of his death, Mr. Jimenez was in immigration removal proceedings.

 

https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ice-detainee-passes-away-georgia-hospital-0

getting to the root causes..why does it take 5 months to deport a felon?

[smilesammich 10,727]

3 minutes ago, ccneat said:

getting to the root causes..why does it take 5 months to deport a felon?

you have to give them time to roll out the red carpet!

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

50 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

Being denied entry does not make someone illegal.

Then why wasn't he automatically sent on a flight back to his country of origin or home country? This is just weird.

[CaliCat 3,957]

13 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

UK immigration law handles those on the VWP the same way we do actually, with some slight differences. You can still be denied entry and removed to the next plane home - but that does not mean you were ever illegal. You were simply 'denied entry clearance'. Whereas in the US we'd tell the person they'd need to seek a visa or proper documents next time, the UK actually allows the person to keep making attempts on their own merit until the officer is satisfied.

 

Indeed. Being denied entry does not make someone illegal. What a strange notion. The consequences of being illegal are very different from being merely denied entry. They've followed the correct process, and we follow ours. They deemed his documentation insufficient for whatever reason they choose, but that didn't mean that Mr Patel was branded illegal. He did not physically cross a border - he asked to cross the border as immigration law requires and was denied.

 

In that sense, the approach is the same as in the US. If you're denied entry - duh - it means you're not admitted and never entered the country. It doesnt mean anything more than this. 

[Mr&Mrs G. 903]

2 minutes ago, ccneat said:

getting to the root causes..why does it take 5 months to deport a felon?

Haven't a clue,

 

If it was up to me he would have been brought straight to the airport after his prison release.

[CaliCat 3,957]

Just now, cyberfx1024 said:

Then why wasn't he automatically sent on a flight back to his country of origin or home country? This is just weird.

 

He may have started feeling unwell and sent to the hospital before they had a chance to get him on a flight back to Ecuador. 

[CaliCat 3,957]

18 minutes ago, Mr&Mrs G. said:

I am not an immigration lawyer and this is not court so I don't need to speak the lingo.

 

Common sense says the guy was illegal, or do you really think he was undocumented because he lost the correct paperwork?

 

 

 

 

 

Common sense left the room the moment  the word illegal was introduced into the discussion. 

[CaliCat 3,957]

3 minutes ago, Mr&Mrs G. said:

Haven't a clue,

 

If it was up to me he would have been brought straight to the airport after his prison release.

 

Except that he was not released from prison. He was under custody still. 

[Mr&Mrs G. 903]

Just now, CaliCat said:

 

Except that he was not released from prison. He was under custody still. 

He was released from the prison in NC and transferred to to ICE center in GA

[yuna628 9,995]

4 minutes ago, cyberfx1024 said:

Then why wasn't he automatically sent on a flight back to his country of origin or home country? This is just weird.

I would agree it is weird, but while there are cases of those being sent back on the next flight home immediately there are also cases of being detained for a longer period (in both the US and UK actually). The UK has been actually found to hold people wrongly in many different cases of persons who should have been immediately returned home. We don't know specifically why, perhaps the US officials wanted to investigate his documentation more, perhaps there was not a flight available immediately, there's lots of possibilities I suppose. Take the UK's removal program of someone denied entry at the border - it may take several days or weeks to return them home. In some cases they may even grant a temporary stay to the individual to walk free and not hold them in a detention facility at all (not sure if this example is rare or is no longer practiced but I can 100% confirm they once did this).

[CaliCat 3,957]

Just now, Mr&Mrs G. said:

He was released from the prison in NC and transferred to to ICE center in GA

 

He was transferred to ICE custody in the Atlanta City Detention Center on Thursday, according to the agency. An initial medical screening at the time determined he had high blood pressure and diabetes. Two days later, Patel was transported to the hospital after a nurse checking his blood sugar noticed he had shortness of breath, ICE said. He died on Tuesday afternoon.

 

He was still in custody of ICE.  In layman's lingo that's as good as prison. 

[Mr&Mrs G. 903]

 

6 minutes ago, CaliCat said:

 

He was transferred to ICE custody in the Atlanta City Detention Center on Thursday, according to the agency. An initial medical screening at the time determined he had high blood pressure and diabetes. Two days later, Patel was transported to the hospital after a nurse checking his blood sugar noticed he had shortness of breath, ICE said. He died on Tuesday afternoon.

 

He was still in custody of ICE.  In layman's lingo that's as good as prison. 

Mr. Jimenez entered ICE custody March 2 in Wake County, North Carolina, pursuant to an ICE immigration detainer following his release from local law enforcement custody after his Jan. 5 felony conviction for larceny of a motor vehicle.

 

You need go back and read my comment again.

Edited May 18, 2017 by Mr&Mrs G.

[Mr&Mrs G. 903]

If ICE is a prison are you saying Mr Patel was a criminal?

 

Your getting the two cases mixed up.

Edited May 18, 2017 by Mr&Mrs G.