White Nationalist leads torch-bearing protestors against removal of confederate statue

[smilesammich 10,727]

Just now, CaliCat said:

 

I agree, but that doesn't belong in this thread, though. You'll get no lip from me on that argument. But I don't think our fallen vets should be fodder for trolling on this or any site. 

can mods troll? i got you..the rules of staying on topic aren't applicable to all of us, some of us get to go on 'anti leftist' rants in every single thread. somehow, even in a thread concerning racists on the far right, the discussion is over leftists revising history. 

 

[CaliCat 3,957]

1 minute ago, smilesammich said:

can mods troll? i got you..the rules of staying on topic aren't applicable to all of us, some of us get to go on 'anti leftist' rants in every single thread. somehow, even in a thread concerning racists on the far right, the discussion is over leftists revising history. 

 

 

They own the site, so it's their choice to follow the rules or not. And true to the teachings of their supreme leader, dissent is frowned upon and punished, apparently. 

 

[smilesammich 10,727]

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If you grew up in the South, and especially if you're white, you've likely been told repeatedly (maybe even in a classroom) that "the Civil War wasn't fought over slavery." (They might have even called it the "War Between the States" or even the "War of Northern Aggression.") "It was about economics," they might say. Or, almost always, "It was over state's rights," as if that somehow means that it wasn't actually over a state's right to allow its white citizens to own and abuse black human beings. It's remarkable how many white southerners, and others around the country, actually believe this myth. And it is regularly used as an excuse to justify keeping the Confederate battle flag and other symbols of the Confederacy and the "lost cause" of slavery imbedded into government, public and private schools, and some state universities in every way possible—especially in the taxpayer-funded state flags that still adorn several state capitols, including Mississippi's.

But the problem is: The Confederate leaders themselves had no reason then to hide what they were fighting the Civil War over. They were forthright about both why they were seceding into the Confederacy and their beliefs about the white supremacy (and its spoils of wealth) that they were willing to fighting to keep in place. Ever since I first read Mississippi's Declaration of Secession, I've used it as a response to someone who decides to spread these myths in my presence.

Now, in the wake of the Charleston massacre by an apparent white supremacist, and as the country is engaging in a welcome conversation about the Confederate flag, I've compiled a list of primary sources from the mouths and pens of the Confederate leaders themselves that could prove useful as you deal with the myths that continue to be used to justify racism and racist symbols. (Hat tip to Kristy Wittman Howell who had posted several of the more obscure links on Facebook.) Please suggest others in the comments.

Mississippi's Declaration of Secession: "Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery - the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product, which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization."

 

http://www.jacksonfreepress.com/weblogs/jackblog/2015/jun/21/confederates-speak-yes-we-fought-the-civil-war-ove/

[Cyberfx1024 7,978]

36 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

 

http://www.jacksonfreepress.com/weblogs/jackblog/2015/jun/21/confederates-speak-yes-we-fought-the-civil-war-ove/

Firmly agree with you on this. This was fought over slavery by the Rich Plantation Owners(Politicians) and sold to the people as "State's Rights". That's why during the war the rich plantation owners could opt out of serving by having other people or slaves join in their place. It was like that for most of the war until it turned bad for the Confederacy.

 

 I have never thought about it in any other way but that way and that's the truth. 

Edited May 15, 2017 by cyberfx1024

[smilesammich 10,727]

3 minutes ago, cyberfx1024 said:

Firmly agree with you on this. This was fought over slavery by the Rich Plantation Owners(Politicians) and sold to the people as "State's Rights". That's why during the war the rich plantation owners could opt out of serving by have other people or slaves join in their place. It was like that for most of the war until it turned bad for the Confederacy.

 

 I have never thought about it in any other way but that way and that's the truth. 

i don't understand how leftists are rewriting history, what are you guys talking about when you refer to this? obviously you don't think spencer is a leftist - you said yourself he's extreme right. 

[Cyberfx1024 7,978]

46 minutes ago, CaliCat said:

 

I see your point, and to that I would then echo the opinion of another poster who said these statues and symbols should be places in a museum, or in a consecrated place where they belong. There are confederate cemeteries in many places, and maybe that should be a better place. The problem we have is not with the history, but with a group of people who unlike you interpret their heritage as their mission. Even the most southern of all southerners should be able to realize the ideals behind the Confederacy were less than just, otherwise they would still hold true today. Time is the ultimate litmus test. The reason we don't have statues of Hitler in Germany is because his legacy couldn't possibly stand on its own today any more that it did 90 years ago. The same is true of the Confederate cause. The ideals it represented are far more objectionable today than they were back in the day. Surely you are one of those people who can see this distinction, but many in our country feel the south and the Confederacy should rise, and my question to them, would be how that would the values of slavery and white-male privilege possibly make the world a better place. And for the record it's not that I'm against all-white-male privilege because it is white, but because it can only exist at the exclusion of the rights and privileges of every single American who doesn't fit that bill. 

 

Totally agree with a majority of this as well except for two things:

 

Since the 90's/early 00's there has already been a movement in place to move some of the Confederate Statues/flags to a better location in a capitol. Then Dylan Roof happened and now it isn't supposed to be anywhere, in which to me is not right at all. The ideals are yes objectionable in today's world and there is no debate about that from me. My purgative is the whole historical aspect of it and how some people just want to totally do away with it. I know for a fact that my relationship with my wife would be uncalled for 50 years ago, let alone 150 years ago. 

 

Germany as a whole is very anti anything Nazi symbolism at all. Hell, they just started legally selling Mein Kampf again in Germany last year. So that's why there is no statues in Germany. 

[Cyberfx1024 7,978]

Just now, smilesammich said:

i don't understand how leftists are rewriting history, what are you guys talking about when you refer to this? obviously you don't think spencer is a leftist - you said yourself he's extreme right. 

Re-writing history like it was sold only because of one reason, and omitting other factors about the civil war. Did you know the Emancipation Proclamation only freed the slaves that was in the South at the time, but it did nothing for the slaves in the states like Maryland or Kentucky? 

 

Sorry I will write more later I got to get the kids from school......

[yuna628 9,530]

1 hour ago, IAMX said:

Posts like this actually help me understand why people from other parts of the country despise Californians. Not only because those on the left like to revise history to fit the "white devil" theory (much of my mothers side, that isn't in Germany, live in the South, so I'm fairly knee-deep into that culture the left like to target), but because you can't have rational discussion with people who've convinced themselves it's some holy crusade against racism. The fact that this is what you believe stands between the USA healing and doesn't, you've gone off the deep end.

 

Perfectly sane. Not Californian or liberal or even remotely Democrat last I checked. Never used the words white devil, never made any revisionist claims, either... but you often jump the gun on assuming things about people here, when you don't want them to assume the same about you. Let me know when you want to have a real conversation on the subject instead of attacking people on which views you don't agree with. Your posts tell me to the effect you don't want to do that yet, but really it can be of a benefit in ridding oneself of deep-seated anger. If cyberfx wants to have a conversation of meaningful reasons behind history and the reasons our ancestors fought on the Confederate side, I'd be happy to do so, respectfully. But it's going to get wordy, and some people don't like walls of text around these parts. If he's willing, I am. If anything it sounds like he and I can find common ground on certain causes of the Civil War, actually as per what he said above.

 

 

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

12 hours ago, Jacque67 said:

A torch-wielding mob chanting racist slogans descended on a Charlottesville, Virginia, park Saturday evening, to protest the removal of a Robert E. Lee statue. 

Chanting "All White Lives Matter," and "No More Brother Wars," the crowd, which said they were protecting their "white heritage" from the Charlottesville City Council's decision to remove a statue in the Virginia town's park. 

They also chanted "You will not replace us" and "Russia is our friend." Dozens of protesters also brought bamboo tiki torches to a second rally once it became dark out.

 

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/white-nationalist-leads-torch-bearing-protesters-against-removal-confederate-statue-n759266

 

or the alternative headline from the dprk

pathetic US fascists protest removal of slave holding rebel icon bearing citronella torches to protect girlish soft skin from insect bites.

 

boy, Spencer is packing on the pounds!!!

Chanting white lives matters is racist,  but chanting black lives matter is not ?

[smilesammich 10,727]

14 minutes ago, cyberfx1024 said:

Re-writing history like it was sold only because of one reason, and omitting other factors about the civil war. Did you know the Emancipation Proclamation only freed the slaves that was in the South at the time, but it did nothing for the slaves in the states like Maryland or Kentucky? 

 

Sorry I will write more later I got to get the kids from school......

but, i wasn't taught that the civil war was fought because of slavery - period. that's why i was asking for specifics, because i haven't seen this rewriting you speak of occur. the us civil war, like all civil wars, is complicated and was a long time in the making. 

the south wasn't fighting only over states rights, the same way northerners were not fighting for black freedom..we can't look at the reality of history through rose colored glasses. anyone who thinks northerners had some sort of moral high ground are doing just that. 

Edited May 15, 2017 by smilesammich

[yuna628 9,530]

2 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

Chanting white lives matters is racist,  but chanting black lives matter is not ?

When a person chants ''All White Lives Matter'' while holding torches under cover of darkness because their purpose for being is to be a white supremacist Nazi, and they hate anyone that isn't of the same race they are - what do you expect?

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

1 minute ago, yuna628 said:

When a person chants ''All White Lives Matter'' while holding torches under cover of darkness because their purpose for being is to be a white supremacist Nazi, and they hate anyone that isn't of the same race they are - what do you expect?

I will read the article and get back with you

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

8 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

Chanting white lives matters is racist,  but chanting black lives matter is not ?

How about the other stuff they were chanting 

Edited May 15, 2017 by ccneat

[smilesammich 10,727]

3 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

Chanting white lives matters is racist,  but chanting black lives matter is not ?

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“What happens to blacks in this country at the hand of law enforcement is none of our concern ... other than to prepare to restore order and rebuild our neighborhoods taking back our lands one community at a time. When the enemy destroys … we guard our town borders and make our homes white and great again.”
—Rebecca Barnette, White Lives Matter co-founder and Women’s Division leader of the National Socialist Movement, July 16, 2016

“Do not allow our lands to turn into Haiti ... time to shut the savage beasts down. Shut down Black Lives Matter.”
—Rebecca Barnette, July 9, 2016

“It should be apparent to the world ... Obama is for the ***.”
—Rebecca Barnette July 9, 2016

“Ever hear the term if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and acts like a duck ... then it's a ***. This is why I hate ***.”
—Rebecca Barnette, April 2, 2016

“And the**** are too damn STUPID to realize Obama is using them to bring in martial law and the men in blue suits.”
—Rebecca Barnette, July 10, 2016

“We have to do what ever possible to stem the rising tide of color and acts of violence upon our people; we must try our best to take back our communities, we have to stand firm in the face of adversity, be rational, sensible and strong along the way.”
—Doug Chism, White Lives Matter co-founder and president of the Aryan Renaissance Society, July 18, 2016

Background

Formed as a racist response to the Black Lives Matter movement, White Lives Matter (WLM) describes itself as “dedicated to promotion of the white race and taking positive action as a united voice against issues facing our race,” in the words of its website. “The fiber and integrity our nation was founded on is being unraveled … [by] homosexuality and [racially] mix[ed] relationships,” it says. “Illegal immigration, healthcare, housing, welfare, employment, education, social security, our children, our veterans and active military and their rights … are the issues we face as white Americans. The laws and immoral orders the current [Obama] administration are passing are drastically … targeting everything the white way of life holds dear.”

Although it’s not easy to track WLM’s precise evolution and leadership structure, two white supremacists and the Texas-based Aryan Renaissance Society, a neo-Nazi group, appear to be the main players behind it, hosting WLM rallies and engaging in WLM flier distributions across the nation since 2015.

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/white-lives-matter

 

"white lives matter" sounds racist to me.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

I read the whole article. I saw no mention of Nazis anywhere,  and don't understand the fascination with tiki torches.

 

The article said they were celebrating their White heratige and European roots. 

 

Don't they have black heritage and pan African celebrations on a fairly common basis. Albeit without scary tiki torches