Trump Seeks Inquiry Into Unproved Allegations That Obama Tapped His Phones

[smilesammich 10,727]

Just now, OriZ said:

Or maybe you just didn't actually read his work and only want to go based on what you heard about the part that's wrong with it. 

i've never read a charles murray book, i didn't go to the protest i don't go to middlebury and you posted the link.

 

from his wiki; interesting

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In the April 2007 issue of Commentary magazine, Murray wrote on the disproportionate representation of Jews in the ranks of outstanding achievers and says that one of the reasons is that they "have been found to have an unusually high mean intelligence as measured by IQ tests since the first Jewish samples were tested." His article concludes with the assertion: "At this point, I take sanctuary in my remaining hypothesis, uniquely parsimonious and happily irrefutable. The Jews are God's chosen people."[40]

 

[OriZ 3,165]

5 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

i've never read a charles murray book, i didn't go to the protest i don't go to middlebury and you posted the link.

 

from his wiki; interesting

 

Did you read the rest of his wiki too? Most of the controversy is based on two chapters from one of his books. There's more to his work than that. He's a libertarian essentially, why not listen to him speak? Again, you can try and understand the other side and even learn something from just about anybody, whether you agree with their pov or not. And I get that you're fine with them shutting him down, but you conveniently ignored the fact they also violently attacked them afterwards. And I really don't care how he feels about Jews for better or worse.

 

I know you won't read it because it was on fox(however my first was from NYT...I believe in equal time remember) but here's another link for you:

 

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/03/06/charles-murray-into-middle-mob-what-happened-when-tried-to-speak-at-middlebury.html

[OriZ 3,165]

BTW, to me some of the things that I have heard come out of Farrakhan's mouth are the worst form of vile incitement and anti semitism bordering the should-be illegal, so I really don't see him as being any better. But I'd still let him speak.

 

Also, while I disagree with trying to assert that Jewish people are smarter than other people(I know plenty of very intelligent people who aren't Jewish) it's not like an IQ test is a subjective opinion, it is a score. Jews do score high. Now you can easily argue that means nothing and disagree with his conclusion that Jews are "god's chosen people"(I'm not much of a bible person myself) but you can't ask them to apologize for their score or say it is wrong, a score is just that a score. That's like asking girls to apologize for scoring higher for the most part in exams in school than the guys. That's not subjective, it's a fact they do.

Edited March 8, 2017 by OriZ

[smilesammich 10,727]

8 minutes ago, OriZ said:

Did you read the rest of his wiki too? Most of the controversy is based on two chapters from one of his books. There's more to his work than that. He's a libertarian essentially, why not listen to him speak? Again, you can try and understand the other side and even learn something from just about anybody, whether you agree with their pov or not. And I get that you're fine with them shutting him down, but you conveniently ignored the fact they also violently attacked them afterwards. And I really don't care how he feels about Jews for better or worse.

 

I know you won't read it because it was on fox(however my first was from NYT...I believe in equal time remember) but here's another link for you:

 

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/03/06/charles-murray-into-middle-mob-what-happened-when-tried-to-speak-at-middlebury.html

dude, chill. i will read fox opinion.. and i just read your link. why did you want me to read that? if they were violently attacked, i certainly didn't get that feeling from this piece but - are charges being pressed? did allison file a police report? why did they exit into a 'mob' of 20 people. in this very piece he details how accustomed he is to people protesting him. 

 

 

[OriZ 3,165]

2 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

dude, chill. i will read fox opinion.. and i just read your link. why did you want me to read that? if they were violently attacked, i certainly didn't get that feeling from this piece but - are charges being pressed? did allison file a police report? why did they exit into a 'mob' of 20 people. in this very piece he details how accustomed he is to people protesting him. 

 

 

It was even in the first link, about them attacking them as they were leaving. And I'm very chilled.

[smilesammich 10,727]

2 minutes ago, OriZ said:

BTW, to me some of the things that I have heard come out of Farrakhan's mouth are the worst form of vile incitement and anti semitism bordering the should-be illegal, so I really don't see him as being any better. But I'd still let him speak.

 

Also, while I disagree with trying to assert that Jewish people are smarter than other people(I know plenty of very intelligent people who aren't Jewish) it's not like an IQ test is a subjective opinion, it is a score. Jews do score high. Now you can easily argue that means nothing and disagree with his conclusion that Jews are "god's chosen people"(I'm not much of a bible person myself) but you can't ask them to apologize for their score or say it is wrong, a score is just that a score. That's like asking girls to apologize for scoring higher for the most part in exams in school than the guys. That's not subjective, it's a fact they do.

murray's subjective opinion on the meaning derived from iq testing is okay so long as you've got a decent iq and belong to a correct color grouping and caste. 

[smilesammich 10,727]

4 minutes ago, OriZ said:

It was even in the first link, about them attacking them as they were leaving. And I'm very chilled.

yes, that's what i'm talking about. he gives the play by play. why did they walk into the 'mob' of 20 people to get to their car? why not wait until they disperse or plan a better exit (since he's used to this sort of thing)? at least he got to enjoy a lovely dinner straight away.

[OriZ 3,165]

2 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

murray's subjective opinion on the meaning derived from iq testing is okay so long as you've got a decent iq and belong to a correct color grouping and caste. 

 

Where did I say I agreed with his conclusions? I definitely don't agree that poor people are poor because they have a low iq.

 

1 minute ago, smilesammich said:

yes, that's what i'm talking about. he gives the play by play. why did they walk into the 'mob' of 20 people to get to their car? why not wait until they disperse or plan a better exit (since he's used to this sort of thing)? at least he got to enjoy a lovely dinner straight away.

Why let a mob run your life? Why was the mob there to start with?

[smilesammich 10,727]

Just now, OriZ said:

 

Where did I say I agreed with his conclusions? I definitely don't agree that poor people are poor because they have a low iq.

 

Why let a mob run your life? Why was the mob there to start with?

i didn't say you did.

 

um, he knew about the protests beforehand and has plenty of experience in dealing with them, he said so in the link.

[OriZ 3,165]

49 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

i didn't say you did.

 

um, he knew about the protests beforehand and has plenty of experience in dealing with them, he said so in the link.

I understand what you're trying to imply, but that's a bit of a deflection because it doesn't excuse their behavior, which was the whole point.

[TBoneTX 47,545]

Half a dozen posts have been removed because of importing drama, bickering, or quoting same.

[smilesammich 10,727]

59 minutes ago, OriZ said:

I understand what you're trying to imply, but that's a bit of a deflection because it doesn't excuse their behavior, which was the whole point.

excusing their behavior wasn't my whole point, if that's what you meant. 

[CaliCat 3,957]

Who could imagine John McCain would become the voice of reason in the GOP!

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-wiretap-idUSKBN16D21T

 

By Richard Cowan and Jeff Mason | WASHINGTON

U.S. Senator John McCain on Monday called for President Donald Trump to release any evidence supporting his claim the Obama administration wiretapped him while probing Russia's influence in the 2016 election.

“I think the president of the United States, if he has any information that would indicate that his predecessor wiretapped Trump Tower, then he should come forward with that information. The American people deserve it,” McCain, a Republican from Arizona, told Reuters.

Jason Chaffetz, a Republican lawmaker who heads the U.S. House of Representatives Oversight and Government Reform Committee, told CBS in an interview on Monday that he had "not seen anything directly that would support what the president has said."

Republican Senator Lindsey Graham, who heads the Senate Judiciary subcommittee looking into allegations Russia meddled in the election, said the panel would be asking both Federal Bureau of Investigation Director James Comey and the Justice Department whether he had told the law enforcement agency this weekend to reject Trump's wire-tapping claim.

The White House said on Monday that Trump still has confidence in Comey despite his assertiveness in challenging Trump's claim that the administration of former President Barack Obama had wiretapped him.

[OriZ 3,165]

7 hours ago, smilesammich said:

excusing their behavior wasn't my whole point, if that's what you meant. 

No, I'm just saying this was about their behavior, not about him walking into a mob.

[bcking 3,157]

On 3/5/2017 at 11:56 AM, Bill & Katya said:

What's wrong with investigating?  Just because President Obama's surrogates have said it is false doesn't mean much as that administration has a long track record of lying to the public.  It should be fairly easy for an investigation and if Trump's allegations are indeed false, wouldn't the Democrats be in an even better position after an investigation, or are they afraid there might actually be something there?  I thought when the Flynn discussion was taking place there was evidence of the former administration attempting to get the FISA court to issue a warrant for this type of thing.  I heard it was rejected which is rare for that court, but hey, this is Obama, he all but weaponized the IRS against his political opponents.

An "investigation" should begin with some shred of credible information. As of yet there is none known. 

 

Why don't we investigate whether Donald Trump is an alien? What's wrong with investigating it? I mean, if it turns out to be false that'll be okay. But why don't we just check? I hear the best way is to probe him.