I’m a gay New Yorker — and I’m coming out as a conservative

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17 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

 

lol well, both of these links report before the university met with the professor (as noted in both philly and cnn links, this had not yet taken place)

 

follow up suggests, the tweets (which were never public) were satirical, "Politics and history teacher George Ciccariello-Maher insists he was mocking white supremacists’ “imaginary” danger" and considering dude is white and the idiocy of legitimately fearing white genocide is on the horizon, makes total and absolute sense.

I have no skin in this. Just linking since you asked. I don't tweet, but are they ever considered private?

 

In my opinion if the follow up tweet is true, it was in poor taste:

 

He reportedly followed this up with another tweet on Christmas Day, saying "To clarify: when the whites were massacred during the Haitian Revolution, that was a good thing indeed."

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1804_Haiti_massacre

Edited February 15, 2017 by Umka36

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12 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

 

lol well, both of these links report before the university met with the professor (as noted in both philly and cnn links, this had not yet taken place)

 

follow up suggests, the tweets (which were never public) were satirical, "Politics and history teacher George Ciccariello-Maher insists he was mocking white supremacists’ “imaginary” danger" and considering dude is white and the idiocy of legitimately fearing white genocide is on the horizon, makes total and absolute sense.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/george-ciccariello-maher-white-genocide_us_5861a56fe4b0de3a08f5f7d0

Ok, if according to you they were real calls for white genocide would you think it's ok for a random person to physically assault him?

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Just now, Umka36 said:

I have no skin in this. Just linking since you asked.

 

In my opinion if the follow up tweet is true, it was in poor taste:

 

He reportedly followed this up with another tweet on Christmas Day, saying "To clarify: when the whites were massacred during the Haitian Revolution, that was a good thing indeed."

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1804_Haiti_massacre

yes, that tweet was also included in the follow up. 

 

found this recent article - which also makes a ton more sense than the articles i found at breitbart (all read like propaganda, which no back round or context. typical)

 

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Ciccariello-Maher, who is white, began a yearlong sabbatical in Mexico in August and was back in the States for the holidays. He was celebrating Christmas Eve with his wife and 6-year-old in New England when he saw the controversial Twitter backlash to a State Farm Insurance ad, showing a black man proposing to a white woman.

He was incensed that commenters were calling the ad another nail in the coffin of whites, using the hashtag “white genocide.”

“White genocide,” he said, “is absurd, a paranoid racist fantasy. We should be making fun of it, because it’s not real.”

He tweeted. Twitter erupted. Ciccariello-Maher, now back in Mexico, said in a phone interview that he had no idea of the backlash that was coming.

He got more than 100 death threats and 250 voicemails, he said. Family members were harassed on Facebook. Even his mother got a call at home in Maine.

He tweeted again: “To clarify: when the whites were massacred during the Haitian Revolution, that was a good thing indeed.” He meant, he said, that it’s always legitimate to resist white supremacy and slavery.

He blames far-right and neo-Nazi groups for deliberately misinterpreting his tweets in an organized campaign.

“We celebrated Christmas with this creeping concern that we didn’t know what the consequences of this whole campaign would be,” he said.

At Drexel, president John Fry was inundated with hundreds of emails and calls from colleagues, students, friends, and strangers, who didn’t understand the tweet was meant as sarcasm and thought the professor was inciting violence.
Drexel issued a statement on Christmas, calling the tweet “utterly reprehensible” and “deeply disturbing,” but did not take disciplinary action against Ciccariello-Maher, noting that his tweets were protected speech.

That unleashed another round of response, much of it from academics locally and nationally who complained that Drexel’s response was infringing on academic freedom.

“Drexel's ideal response would have been simply to state that faculty members' views expressed on their own time and outside the university do not reflect the views of the university,” said Chloe Silverman, a Drexel associate professor in politics and the Center for Science, Technology & Society. “Condemning the statement was neither necessary nor appropriate, and represented, I think, a willingness to accede to the demands of those upset by the tweet and to accept their interpretation of it as the correct one.”

Ciccariello-Maher’s tweet was done on his own time and not connected with his work at Drexel, something known as “extramural speech,” under the American Association of University Professors academic freedom policy.

The policy doesn’t protect all speech, said Gregory F. Scholtz, associate secretary and director of the Department of Academic Freedom, Tenure and Governance. Criminal speech, harassment, speech that incites violence and speech that reflects bad teaching and bad research can get a professor in trouble. But Ciccariello-Maher’s tweet doesn’t appear to fall into those categories, Scholtz said.

“Satirical speech about matters of public concern by professors should not be sanctionable,” he said.

http://www.philly.com/philly/education/How-a-Christmas-Eve-tweet-roiled-a-university.html

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4 minutes ago, Merle said:

Ok, if according to you they were real calls for white genocide would you think it's ok for a random person to physically assault him?

they were not calls for white genocide, white genocide is not an actual threat. i understand that it would be helpful to the altright's propaganda machine if they had tangible evidence that white people are at risk/threatened by racist hate in this country - it simply IS NOT TRUE. 

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3 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

they were not calls for white genocide, white genocide is not an actual threat. i understand that it would be helpful to the altright's propaganda machine if they had tangible evidence that white people are at risk/threatened by racist hate in this country - it simply IS NOT TRUE. 

#BLM

[Merle 458]

31 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

they were not calls for white genocide, white genocide is not an actual threat. i understand that it would be helpful to the altright's propaganda machine if they had tangible evidence that white people are at risk/threatened by racist hate in this country - it simply IS NOT TRUE. 

Ok, lets try another example since you are dodging the question. How about a liberal film maker joking about hoping for the death of a congressman? Would it be ok if a Tea Party member physically assaulted the liberal film maker? 

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31 minutes ago, Merle said:

Ok, lets try another example since you are dodging the question. How about a liberal film maker joking about hoping for the death of a congressman? Would it be ok if a Tea Party member physically assaulted the liberal film maker? 

how am i dodging the question? all i'm dodging are strawmen and the false equivalents ya'll keep throwing my way. but whatever i'll play, so say a liberal film maker jokes about wanting a specific congressman to die. a member of that congressman's family is in the crowd, hears the joke, doesn't find it funny, storms the liberal film maker and punches him in the face..AWESOME. a tea party member? no. not awesome, stop being a snow flake, learn to take a joke.

 

[Merle 458]

15 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

how am i dodging the question? all i'm dodging are strawmen and the false equivalents ya'll keep throwing my way. but whatever i'll play, so say a liberal film maker jokes about wanting a specific congressman to die. a member of that congressman's family is in the crowd, hears the joke, doesn't find it funny, storms the liberal film maker and punches him in the face..AWESOME. a tea party member? no. not awesome, stop being a snow flake, learn to take a joke.

 

You finally answered the question and thanks for shwowing everyone your true character or lack thereof. No snowflake here, i just dont think anyone should be assaulted for exercising their rights nor do i think its funny. That's how things escalate and people get really hurt or shot. 

Edited February 15, 2017 by Merle

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2 minutes ago, Merle said:

You finally answered the question. No snowflake here, i just dont think anyone should be assaulted for exercising their rights nor do i think its funny.  That's how things escalate and people get really hurt or shot. 

i was raised that racists have to be put in their place quickly and forcefully. i think most people were raised that way but there's an under current of 'let's hear what the racists have to say' or 'maybe the racists have some good points' or 'hey, they say they're not racist, they just want to put whites back on top' in today's political environment that must be stopped. anyway i'm thankful there are white guys willing to use their privilege to put a fist in a nazis' cheek. i salute them. always will. way to go nazi punching white guys!

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1 hour ago, smilesammich said:

they were not calls for white genocide, white genocide is not an actual threat. i understand that it would be helpful to the altright's propaganda machine if they had tangible evidence that white people are at risk/threatened by racist hate in this country - it simply IS NOT TRUE. 

So even though he called for white genocide, sense you think it's not possible he dosent deserve to be assaulted, like a white dude that called for black genocide because it's possible.  Now that's just messed up 

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Just now, Nature Boy Flair said:

So even though he called for white genocide, sense you think it's not possible he dosent deserve to be assaulted, like a white dude that called for black genocide because it's possible.  Now that's just messed up 

do you understand what sarcasm is? do you understand context? did you even read anything i've wrote?

[Merle 458]

10 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

i was raised that racists have to be put in their place quickly and forcefully. i think most people were raised that way but there's an under current of 'let's hear what the racists have to say' or 'maybe the racists have some good points' or 'hey, they say they're not racist, they just want to put whites back on top' in today's political environment that must be stopped. anyway i'm thankful there are white guys willing to use their privilege to put a fist in a nazis' cheek. i salute them. always will. way to go nazi punching white guys!

Who is a nazi?

[smilesammich 10,727]

Just now, Merle said:

Who is a nazi?

i'm not going to chase your tail, read back if you can't remember yesterday.

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13 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

i'm not going to chase your tail, read back if you can't remember yesterday.

Chase someone else's tail is not the exercise in futility, that chasing ones own tail is. Just saying 

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

17 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

do you understand what sarcasm is? do you understand context? did you even read anything i've wrote?

Trying to bail out with the sarcasm excuse is not gonna work