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(CNN)Washington Post columnist Dana Milbank suggested Tuesday that Hillary Clinton wasn't wrong in issuing her now-famous "deplorable" comments about supporters of Donald Trump.

"As a matter of statistics, it is probably true that people expressing racist sentiment ... constitute more than half of Trump supporters," he told CNN's Brooke Baldwin, channeling the details he provided in his column, published on Monday.

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(CNN)Washington Post columnist Dana Milbank suggested Tuesday that Hillary Clinton wasn't wrong in issuing her now-famous "deplorable" comments about supporters of Donald Trump.

"As a matter of statistics, it is probably true that people expressing racist sentiment ... constitute more than half of Trump supporters," he told CNN's Brooke Baldwin, channeling the details he provided in his column, published on Monday.

Her data was not necessarily "wrong" , the way she presented it by labeling folks deplorable and nonredeemable is unfortunate.


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Her data was not necessarily "wrong" , the way she presented it by labeling folks deplorable and nonredeemable is unfortunate.

Personally, I'd like to think no one is beyond redemption. But those Trumpsters that engage in violence, I'm not so sure.


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and now the defense of sweeping generalizations is made............... :rolleyes:


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and now the defense of sweeping generalizations is made............... :rolleyes:

The generalizations may be sweeping, but the behaviors observed and the polls of Trump rally attendees are crystal clear.


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So lets see what they did here...they asked in June if the treatment of racial and ethnic minorities is an important issue...very vague question; What does it even mean? Does it mean do you think it is important to treat them properly? Does it mean do you think it is important to talk about them not being treated properly? Anyway, 42% of Trump supporters said they do think it is important. Kudos to them - that already takes us down from 99% to 58%. However, how does one jump to a conclusion that because someone doesn't think it is an important issue(maybe they don't think it's an issue at all?) that must mean they are "deplorable" and are either racist, misogynist, homophobic, islamophobic etc? Furthermore, then they tell us that because people are "enthusiastic" about him, that must mean they are racist. Why? Simple, because of their own assumption that Trump's campaign is only about racism, so how can anyone be enthusiastic unless they are racist? Nice way to twist things in order to portray the picture they want to portray, and you call that statistics? Goodness. Talk about grasping at straws.


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Confused. I thought Hillary would have gained some new supporters from the Trump side after her comment. I mean, after all, many say they like Trump cause he "tells it like it is" or he's not part of the PC crowd. What's the fuss about little trumpers?

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So lets see what they did here...they asked in June if the treatment of racial and ethnic minorities is an important issue...very vague question; What does it even mean? Does it mean do you think it is important to treat them properly? Does it mean do you think it is important to talk about them not being treated properly? Anyway, 42% of Trump supporters said they do think it is important. Kudos to them - that already takes us down from 99% to 58%. However, how does one jump to a conclusion that because someone doesn't think it is an important issue(maybe they don't think it's an issue at all?) that must mean they are "deplorable" and are either racist, misogynist, homophobic, islamophobic etc? Furthermore, then they tell us that because people are "enthusiastic" about him, that must mean they are racist. Why? Simple, because of their own assumption that Trump's campaign is only about racism, so how can anyone be enthusiastic unless they are racist? Nice way to twist things in order to portray the picture they want to portray, and you call that statistics? Goodness. Talk about grasping at straws.

More Than Half of Trump’s Retweets Are White Supremacists Praising Him By Jay Hathaway ShareTweetShareEmailCommentPrint
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Last week, presidential candidate Donald Trump caused a minor stir by retweeting someone with the Twitter handle @whitegenocideTM, which some saw as making explicit the connection between Trump and American white supremacists. But that’s just one data point, right? A one-off thing that could have been an intern’s mistake? Unfortunately, no: the data shows that 62 percent of the accounts Trump has retweeted recently have white-supremacist connections.

"@WhiteGenocideTM: @realDonaldTrump Poor Jeb. I could've sworn I saw him outside Trump Tower the other day!pic.twitter.com/e5uLRubqla"

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 22, 2016

Marshall Kirkpatrick, of social-media analytics company Little Bird, took a look at the 21 people the Donald has blessed with his fantastic, luxurious retweets this week, and discovered that six of them follow major white-nationalist accounts, and 13 of them follow multiple accounts that have used the #whitegenocide hashtag.

Conclusion? “It turns out that Donald Trump mostly retweets white supremacists saying nice things about him.”

It’s hard to separate cause from effect here. Is Trump riling up the white nationalists by lending them his 5-million-follower megaphone whenever they praise him? Or are racists, who love Trump for his anti-immigration polemics, just more likely than others to send our future hairpiece-in-chief the kind of praise he likes to retweet?

Either way, Trump and white nationalism seem to be caught in a positive-feedback loop, each emboldening the other.

Although being associated with @whitegenocideTM would likely hurt any other candidate, it seems Trump’s national polling numbers are bulletproof. Is that in spite of, or because of, the things the white pride crowd loves about him?

Something to think about.

Data: 62% of the people Donald Trump RTed this week follow multiple White Supremacist accounts
Posted by Marshall Kirkpatrick on Jan 26, 2016 7:10:38 PM

When most political candidates get endorsed by unsavory characters, they distance themselves quickly.

Not Donald Trump.

Two weeks ago the leading Republican candidate for US President was widely criticized for retweeting a white supremacist Twitter user with the name “@WhiteGenocideTM,” whose linked website sung Hitler’s praises.

It turns out that’s not an anomaly, it's a pattern. Inspired by a new Twitter account that tweets out the bios of anyone Donald Trump retweets (because they’re often remarkable), we went and looked up those people he's introducing to his audience of 5 million+ Twitter followers. In order to learn more about them, we analyzed the networks of people that those people he retweeted are following on Twitter, using Little Bird's influencer discovery and social network analysis software.

It turns out that Donald Trump mostly retweets white supremacists saying nice things about him. At least so far this week’s that’s how it's gone. This isn’t one person, of the last 21 accounts retweeted by@RealDonaldTrump so far this week, our automated analysis of their accounts finds that:

  • 28% of them follow at least one of the top 50 White Nationalist accounts on Twitter (6 of 21)
  • 62% of them follow at least 3 people who’ve used hashtag #WhiteGenocide lately (13 of 21)

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So lets see what they did here...they asked in June if the treatment of racial and ethnic minorities is an important issue...very vague question; What does it even mean? Does it mean do you think it is important to treat them properly? Does it mean do you think it is important to talk about them not being treated properly? Anyway, 42% of Trump supporters said they do think it is important. Kudos to them - that already takes us down from 99% to 58%. However, how does one jump to a conclusion that because someone doesn't think it is an important issue(maybe they don't think it's an issue at all?) that must mean they are "deplorable" and are either racist, misogynist, homophobic, islamophobic etc? Furthermore, then they tell us that because people are "enthusiastic" about him, that must mean they are racist. Why? Simple, because of their own assumption that Trump's campaign is only about racism, so how can anyone be enthusiastic unless they are racist? Nice way to twist things in order to portray the picture they want to portray, and you call that statistics? Goodness. Talk about grasping at straws.

That's over half of his supporters. Also the number of those who have a problem with Islam. Not to mention 81% of them have racial anxiety.

And it's not about jumping to conclusions. The BLM member who was assaulted for just speaking at a rally speaks volumes. If it was in reverse, folks in here would be calling for BLM to go to jail for a hate crime. Trump's comments, his flat out refusal to speak out about the violence by calling them passionate has caused more harm. Those two dudes that beat up a homeless man were talking about Trump. There have been over 20 incidents at rallies and in isolation where someone is either harassed or assaulted by a person supporting Trump. Everyone has outliers, but it's not a random occurrence when it happens over 20 times. And even worse, the folks that swear they're not racist refuse to address it.

You can't be against racism when you allow it to continue you right in front of you. Others around could step in and prevent it, or the Donald could speak out and prevent it by regulating his rallies better. Instead, he sits back and laughs about it. Could you imagine if someone got their ####### kicked at an Obama rally and the victim was white and he said maybe he deserved to get roughed up?


“Hate is too great a burden to bear. It injures the hater more than it injures the hated.” – Coretta Scott King

"Oppressive language does more than represent violence; it is violence; does more than represent the limits of knowledge; it limits knowledge." -Toni Morrison

He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it.

Martin Luther King, Jr.

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More Than Half of Trump’s Retweets Are White Supremacists Praising Him By Jay Hathaway ShareTweetShareEmailCommentPrint
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Donald Trump. Photo: TANNEN MAURY/© Corbis. All Rights Reserved.

Last week, presidential candidate Donald Trump caused a minor stir by retweeting someone with the Twitter handle @whitegenocideTM, which some saw as making explicit the connection between Trump and American white supremacists. But that’s just one data point, right? A one-off thing that could have been an intern’s mistake? Unfortunately, no: the data shows that 62 percent of the accounts Trump has retweeted recently have white-supremacist connections.

"
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Poor Jeb. I could've sworn I saw him outside Trump Tower the other day!
"
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump)

Marshall Kirkpatrick, of social-media analytics company Little Bird, took a look at the 21 people the Donald has blessed with his fantastic, luxurious retweets this week, and discovered that six of them follow major white-nationalist accounts, and 13 of them follow multiple accounts that have used the #whitegenocide hashtag.

Conclusion? “It turns out that Donald Trump mostly retweets white supremacists saying nice things about him.”

It’s hard to separate cause from effect here. Is Trump riling up the white nationalists by lending them his 5-million-follower megaphone whenever they praise him? Or are racists, who love Trump for his anti-immigration polemics, just more likely than others to send our future hairpiece-in-chief the kind of praise he likes to retweet?

Either way, Trump and white nationalism seem to be caught in a positive-feedback loop, each emboldening the other.

Although being associated with @whitegenocideTM would likely hurt any other candidate, it seems Trump’s national polling numbers are bulletproof. Is that in spite of, or because of, the things the white pride crowd loves about him?

Something to think about.

Data: 62% of the people Donald Trump RTed this week follow multiple White Supremacist accounts
Posted by Marshall Kirkpatrick on Jan 26, 2016 7:10:38 PM

When most political candidates get endorsed by unsavory characters, they distance themselves quickly.

Not Donald Trump.

Two weeks ago the leading Republican candidate for US President was widely criticized for retweeting a white supremacist Twitter user with the name “@WhiteGenocideTM,” whose linked website sung Hitler’s praises.

It turns out that’s not an anomaly, it's a pattern. Inspired by a new Twitter account that tweets out the bios of anyone Donald Trump retweets (because they’re often remarkable), we went and looked up those people he's introducing to his audience of 5 million+ Twitter followers. In order to learn more about them, we analyzed the networks of people that those people he retweeted are following on Twitter, using Little Bird's influencer discovery and social network analysis software.

It turns out that Donald Trump mostly retweets white supremacists saying nice things about him. At least so far this week’s that’s how it's gone. This isn’t one person, of the last 21 accounts retweeted by@RealDonaldTrump so far this week, our automated analysis of their accounts finds that:

  • 28% of them follow at least one of the top 50 White Nationalist accounts on Twitter (6 of 21)
  • 62% of them follow at least 3 people who’ve used hashtag #WhiteGenocide lately (13 of 21)

Trump is a buffoon. I doubt he even realizes what he re-tweets half the time. Look, I don't understand anyone "enthusiastic" about him either, but I do know some of them and I can say one thing and that's they are not racist. Turning them into racists because they believe something, however wrong it may be, however blind they may be according to some by not seeing what Trump is "really all about", doesn't turn them into racists, misogynists, islamophobes, etc that belong in a basket of "deplorables".


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That's over half of his supporters. Also the number of those who have a problem with Islam. Not to mention 81% of them have racial anxiety.

And it's not about jumping to conclusions. The BLM member who was assaulted for just speaking at a rally speaks volumes. If it was in reverse, folks in here would be calling for BLM to go to jail for a hate crime. Trump's comments, his flat out refusal to speak out about the violence by calling them passionate has caused more harm. Those two dudes that beat up a homeless man were talking about Trump. There have been over 20 incidents at rallies and in isolation where someone is either harassed or assaulted by a person supporting Trump. Everyone has outliers, but it's not a random occurrence when it happens over 20 times. And even worse, the folks that swear they're not racist refuse to address it.

You can't be against racism when you allow it to continue you right in front of you. Others around could step in and prevent it, or the Donald could speak out and prevent it by regulating his rallies better. Instead, he sits back and laughs about it. Could you imagine if someone got their ####### kicked at an Obama rally and the victim was white and he said maybe he deserved to get roughed up?

Thank you for pointing out to me that 58% is more than half. The point was the 99% comment of the other day. Now you're willing to settle for 58% all of a sudden? But I've already shown that that is wrong too.


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Also the number of those who have a problem with Islam

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Thank you for pointing out to me that 58% is more than half. The point was the 99% comment of the other day. Now you're willing to settle for 58% all of a sudden? But I've already shown that that is wrong too.

Um, no you haven't. You keep trying to do backflips in terms of wording.

So, let's cut that out and I ask you directly. If his supporters aren't racist, why is there so many violent incidents at his rallies? There was just another one recently, which puts him in the mid 20's. Which once again, no one is talking about. Since you don't like comparisons, I'll leave out my comment about if this happened at a BLM rally...

Also the number of those who have a problem with Islam

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So 9/11 is the reason you have a problem with Muslims? Because when that dude shot up the school, I didn't see folks saying we should be worried about white men with guns. Or the movie theater...


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So lets see what they did here...they asked in June if the treatment of racial and ethnic minorities is an important issue...very vague question; What does it even mean? Does it mean do you think it is important to treat them properly? Does it mean do you think it is important to talk about them not being treated properly? Anyway, 42% of Trump supporters said they do think it is important. Kudos to them - that already takes us down from 99% to 58%. However, how does one jump to a conclusion that because someone doesn't think it is an important issue(maybe they don't think it's an issue at all?) that must mean they are "deplorable" and are either racist, misogynist, homophobic, islamophobic etc? Furthermore, then they tell us that because people are "enthusiastic" about him, that must mean they are racist. Why? Simple, because of their own assumption that Trump's campaign is only about racism, so how can anyone be enthusiastic unless they are racist? Nice way to twist things in order to portray the picture they want to portray, and you call that statistics? Goodness. Talk about grasping at straws.

When a Presidential candidate opines that two of his supporters' just wanted to Make America Great Again after they beat a homeless Hispanic man, wrongly concluding he was here illegally. Said candidate might just be a Racist.

When a Presidential candidate opines a rival candidate is too ugly to be President, a reporter only attacked him because of having her period, and he would like to do his daughter because she is hot. Said candidate might be a misogynist.

When you can gloss over these statements and still support said candidate you might be those things too.


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