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The beneficiary and I communicate 3 different ways...

Email

Phone calls

Skype instant message

Emails are simple and easy to print as are phone records.

But.....how does one efficiently print skype chat logs? I can't figure out a good way to do it. Fyi, I have a couple months worth of chatting on there, so probably about 1000 or so messages.

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I'd focus on face to face stuff such as photos and travel tickets along with the emails and phone records. I wouldn't print out thousands of Skype messages - especially if they are trivial (they don't want to see page and pages of "I love you" and "I miss you").

Which embassy will you be interviewing at?

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So a couple months is not much, you can select all and paste it into Word, screenshot the first few records with Skype to show the logs are the same. My Fiancee and I use Skype, FB, and Viber almost exclusively. When I grabbed my Skype logs, it was over 250 pages, which was only from December of 2015 to present, nevermind the rest of 2015 and most of 2014. We are just going to grab specific time frames, a coupe months here, a couple there, etc. I know that the CO will not want to see hundreds of pages of chat logs and call history. Just show consistent communication, proof of visiting, and make sure that photos are of you and the beneficiary together. With their family even better, especially if everyone is smiling.

Good luck,


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I have all the evidence, but I am not sure how to present it.

My passport is stamped, I have luggage tags, boarding passes, hotel receipts etc.

So, should I take pics with my camara of the above and get it developed? Should I use scanner generated pics? What do most people do?

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I'd focus on face to face stuff such as photos and travel tickets along with the emails and phone records. I wouldn't print out thousands of Skype messages - especially if they are trivial (they don't want to see page and pages of "I love you" and "I miss you").

Which embassy will you be interviewing at?

The Skype messages definitely are not just a bunch of fluff.

Embassy=lima peru

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Can't you simply make photocopies of those?


Spouse:

2015-06-16: I-130 Sent

2015-08-17: I-130 approved

2015-09-23: NVC received file

2015-10-05: NVC assigned Case number, Invoice ID & Beneficiary ID

2016-06-30: DS-261 completed, AOS Fee Paid, WL received

2016-07-05: Received IV invoice, IV Fee Paid

2016-07-06: DS-260 Submitted

2016-07-07: AOS and IV Package mailed

2016-07-08: NVC Scan

2016-08-08: Case Complete

2017-06-30: Interview, approved

2017-07-04: Visa in hand

2017-08-01: Entry to US

.

.

.

.

Myself:

2016-05-10: N-400 Sent

2016-05-16: N-400 NOA1

2016-05-26: Biometrics

2017-01-30: Interview

2017-03-02: Oath Ceremony

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I thought about that, but luggage tags are 8in long, 2in wide and sicky and kinda folded up and what not. Not sure a photo copy would come out very good. Also, I am pretty sure a pic of passport stamps would come out much more clear than a photo copy. But....what do most people do?

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I wouldn't bother submitting the luggage tags docs as long as you have boarding passes and/or flight reservation. I submitted the direct photocopies but whether you submit just the direct photocopies or scanned prints or prints after taking photos of them, it doesn't matter as long as the documents are readable. May be other people can share what they did.


Spouse:

2015-06-16: I-130 Sent

2015-08-17: I-130 approved

2015-09-23: NVC received file

2015-10-05: NVC assigned Case number, Invoice ID & Beneficiary ID

2016-06-30: DS-261 completed, AOS Fee Paid, WL received

2016-07-05: Received IV invoice, IV Fee Paid

2016-07-06: DS-260 Submitted

2016-07-07: AOS and IV Package mailed

2016-07-08: NVC Scan

2016-08-08: Case Complete

2017-06-30: Interview, approved

2017-07-04: Visa in hand

2017-08-01: Entry to US

.

.

.

.

Myself:

2016-05-10: N-400 Sent

2016-05-16: N-400 NOA1

2016-05-26: Biometrics

2017-01-30: Interview

2017-03-02: Oath Ceremony

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~Same/similar-themed threads merged~

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:guides: easily accessible at the top of the forum page. In particular, the K1 visa guide: http://www.visajourney.com/content/k1guide . Another great source of this type of information is to review some forum postings about these very often asked topic. :idea:

Good luck on your immigration journey.


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~Same/similar-themed threads merged~

~No need to start new thread~

(mod hat off)

:guides: easily accessible at the top of the forum page. In particular, the K1 visa guide: http://www.visajourney.com/content/k1guide . Another great source of this type of information is to review some forum postings about these very often asked topic. :idea:

Good luck on your immigration journey.

I don't see in the guide where it states what kind of copies should be included....ie photo copy, printed pic, color, black+white etc.

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For the I-129F, I submitted copies with a short description under each section detailing what it was, ie. Passport stamps of entry, boarding passes to wherever, pictures at ... with ... I scanned the photos, boarding passes, my passport, then used Word to print everything. Aside from my passport, all the originals are going to Annalyn, so she has them for the interview.


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Hi there:

If you have boarding passes, passport stamps, tickets stubs, receipts all of that sort of thing. Scan it in and print it out. We did color copy. Luggage tags are not needed. Remember photographs of you and fiancé are good, but these are only secondary evidence. You need actual proof of you being in the same place at the same time.

We did not provide any emails, chats, or letters. It is not needed. Of course some people front load their petition, so if you want to you can.


K-1 - AOS & ROC Timeline  - Immigration and the Health Exchange Price of Love in the UK Thinking of Returning to UK?

 

First met: 12/31/04 - Engaged: 9/24/09
Filed I-129F: 10/4/14 - Packet received: 10/7/14
NOA 1 email + ARN assigned: 10/10/14 (hard copy 10/17/14)
Touched on website (fixed?): 12/9/14 - Poked USCIS: 4/1/15
NOA 2 email: 5/4/15 (hard copy 5/11/15)
Sent to NVC: 5/8/15 - NVC received + #'s assigned: 5/15/15 (estimated)
NVC sent: 5/19/15 - London received/ready: 5/26/15
Packet 3: 5/28/15 - Medical: 6/16/15
Poked London 7/1/15 - Packet 4: 7/2/15
Interview: 7/30/15 - Approved!
AP + Issued 8/3/15 - Visa in hand (depot): 8/6/15
POE: 8/27/15

Wedding: 9/30/15

Filed I-485, I-131, I-765: 11/7/15

Packet received: 11/9/15

NOA 1 txt/email: 11/15/15 - NOA 1 hardcopy: 11/19/15

Bio: 12/9/15

EAD + AP approved: 1/25/16 - EAD received: 2/1/16

RFE for USCIS inability to read vax instructions: 5/21/16 (no e-notification & not sent from local office!)

RFE response sent: 6/7/16 - RFE response received 6/9/16

AOS approved/card in production: 6/13/16  

NOA 2 hardcopy + card sent 6/17/16

Green Card received: 6/18/16

USCIS 120 day reminder notice: 2/22/18

Filed I-751: 5/2/18 - Packet received: 5/4/18

NOA 1:  5/29/18 (12 mo) 8/13/18 (18 mo)  - Bio: 6/27/18

Transferred: Potomac Service Center 3/26/19

 

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We did not provide any emails, chats, or letters. It is not needed. Of course some people front load their petition, so if you want to you can.

How then did you prove that you two have a real and ongoing relationship? Having been in the same place at the same time does not prove that.

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I don't see in the guide where it states what kind of copies should be included....ie photo copy, printed pic, color, black+white etc.

It depends on the type of proof, the copies have to be legible! READ THE GUIDES! You would do well to follow the guide's instructions literally, and avoid fixating on the minutiae. That has been known to drive people crazy~~ :wacko: :blink:

Documentary Proof of Having Met in Person in the Past Two Years and an Ongoing Relationship:

Use as many of these items are possible. There is no minimum, but the more you can provide the less likely you are that you will receive an RFE. Additionally, please note that providing proof of your ongoing and genuine relationship in this package may benefit you by allowing the consulate to have access to this information prior to them formally contacting the non US Citizen fiance. Many high risk consulates approach cases with a skeptical eye and providing this information early on in the original I-129F package will help them in their preliminary review of your case.

1. Copies of all airline boarding passes, train passes, itineraries, hotel receipts, passport stamps (make sure you can read the dates on the stamps), and other documentary evidence that you have met within the last two years. You may want to highlight or place post-it notes indicating the dates and locations on the copies (to make the adjudication easier) for the person reviewing your file. 2. Color Photo's of you and your fiance together. Make sure you write your names, date, and location on the back of every photo. Provide two to five photo's. If you only have a single copy of the photo, then make a color copy and send that. If it is a digital photo, have it printed at a local photo store such as Walgreens (if at all possible) or if not on a high quality printer. Place photo's in a plastic bag or photo sheet and label the sheet. Note that you may not receive originals of photo's back. 3. The following items will not typically show proof of having met in the last two years however will show proof of an ongoing relationship: Copies of land line and cell phone bills, appropriate letters and emails, stamps on the letters (to document the date they were sent), and other written documentary proof. Provide a reasonable amount; two to four of each type. Pick a range of dates up to and including the present. You can also include a copy of engagement ring receipt (this is something that is a big optional - do not worry if you do not have a ring yet!)

REF: http://www.visajourney.com/content/k1guide

Good luck on your immigration journey, remember it is a marathon, not a sprint.

Edited by Pitaya

Completed: K1/K2 (271 days) - AOS/EAD/AP (134 days) - ROC (279 days)

> Almost 2 years of our lives involved with the USCIS/DOS "shuffle" & worth every second of it ! <

"Si vis amari, ama" - Seneca

_______________________

:idea: Read more, post less.... Google can be your friend ! :idea:

Prior apologies if I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.

Keep your timeline current: http://www.visajourney.com/timeline/

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How then did you prove that you two have a real and ongoing relationship? Having been in the same place at the same time does not prove that.

Proving your relationship is for the embassy stage. Certainly there is nothing wrong with front loading if it is from a high-fraud country or a difficult embassy.

The USCIS cares about: did person X meet person Y within two years? Are they going to get married (letters of intent)? Are they a terrorist? (background checks).

If we had to go through every letter, every email, and every chat convo over the past.. 11-12 years... we'd be there for a millennium.. and the USCIS would be bored to tears. ;) And yes, we actually did consider it, and determined it was an entirely foolish time wasting headache.

If you want to send a few pages, then send a few pages, but no one is going to want to see a ton. The USCIS is going to spend but 15 minutes looking at your case before they stamp it and move on.

Things we sent: boarding passes, passport stamps (two passports worth showing every trip), receipts of places we'd been with photos backing this up, a few photos over the course of our relationship, a couple of congrats on engagement cards copies, and a copy of the engagement ring receipt. At the embassy they asked for no evidence whatsoever, they asked my husband a few questions about how we met and how our relationship developed etc. Of course this will be different if it is a high-fraud country. The guide here certainly provides helpful tips on what to send.

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K-1 - AOS & ROC Timeline  - Immigration and the Health Exchange Price of Love in the UK Thinking of Returning to UK?

 

First met: 12/31/04 - Engaged: 9/24/09
Filed I-129F: 10/4/14 - Packet received: 10/7/14
NOA 1 email + ARN assigned: 10/10/14 (hard copy 10/17/14)
Touched on website (fixed?): 12/9/14 - Poked USCIS: 4/1/15
NOA 2 email: 5/4/15 (hard copy 5/11/15)
Sent to NVC: 5/8/15 - NVC received + #'s assigned: 5/15/15 (estimated)
NVC sent: 5/19/15 - London received/ready: 5/26/15
Packet 3: 5/28/15 - Medical: 6/16/15
Poked London 7/1/15 - Packet 4: 7/2/15
Interview: 7/30/15 - Approved!
AP + Issued 8/3/15 - Visa in hand (depot): 8/6/15
POE: 8/27/15

Wedding: 9/30/15

Filed I-485, I-131, I-765: 11/7/15

Packet received: 11/9/15

NOA 1 txt/email: 11/15/15 - NOA 1 hardcopy: 11/19/15

Bio: 12/9/15

EAD + AP approved: 1/25/16 - EAD received: 2/1/16

RFE for USCIS inability to read vax instructions: 5/21/16 (no e-notification & not sent from local office!)

RFE response sent: 6/7/16 - RFE response received 6/9/16

AOS approved/card in production: 6/13/16  

NOA 2 hardcopy + card sent 6/17/16

Green Card received: 6/18/16

USCIS 120 day reminder notice: 2/22/18

Filed I-751: 5/2/18 - Packet received: 5/4/18

NOA 1:  5/29/18 (12 mo) 8/13/18 (18 mo)  - Bio: 6/27/18

Transferred: Potomac Service Center 3/26/19

 

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