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ObamaCare subsidies
Published February 08, 2016
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Oct. 27, 2012: A Tea Party member reaches for a pamphlet titled "The Impact of Obamacare", at a "Food for Free Minds Tea Party Rally" in Littleton, New Hampshire . (Reuters)

Illegal immigrants and individuals with unclear legal status wrongly benefited from up to $750 million in ObamaCare subsidies and the government is struggling to recoup the money, according to a new Senate report obtained by Fox News.

The report, produced by Republicans on the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, examined Affordable Care Act tax credits meant to defray the cost of insurance premiums. It found that as of June 2015, “the Administration awarded approximately $750 million in tax credits on behalf of individuals who were later determined to be ineligible because they failed to verify their citizenship, status as a national, or legal presence.”

The review found the credits went to more than 500,000 people – who are illegal immigrants or whose legal status was unclear due to insufficient records.

The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services confirmed to FoxNews.com on Monday that 471,000 customers with 2015 coverage failed to produce proper documentation on their citizenship or immigration status on time – but stressed that this does not necessarily mean they’re ineligible.

“Lack of verification does not mean an individual is ineligible for financial assistance, but only that a Marketplace did not receive sufficient information to verify eligibility in the time period outlined in the law,” CMS spokesman Aaron Albright said.

The Senate report also accused the administration of lacking a solid plan to get that money back – and predicted that in the end, the IRS will be “unable to fully recoup the funds.”

“The information provided to the Committee by the IRS and HHS reveals a troubling lack of coordination between the two agencies ... and demonstrates that the IRS and HHS neglected to consider how they would recover these wasteful payments,” the report says.

Under the law, the feds can dole out these payments on a temporary basis if a recipient’s legal status is unclear, but are supposed to cut off funding and coverage if the recipient does not later come up with the paperwork. Up to a half-million “ineligible” people, according to the report, applied in this way -- with their credits paid in advance to the insurers. The IRS, though, is supposed to get overpayments back from the individuals themselves.

The Senate report, based on a review launched by committee Chairman Sen. Ron Johnson, R-Wis., derisively describes this approach as “pay and chase.”

In other words, the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services pays credits and subsidies to the insurance companies on behalf of the applicants – and the feds then “chase” after any overpayments to ineligible people once they are discovered.

“This ‘pay and chase’ model has potentially cost taxpayers approximately $750 million,” the report says. The 500,000 individuals in question have been removed from coverage, according to the findings, as the government seeks to get the money back.

The Senate report says the IRS and HHS initially failed to coordinate on a plan for recouping funds, and claimed that a subsequent plan from the IRS to recoup the money is still “ineffective and insufficient.”

In a July letter to Johnson, IRS Commissioner John Koskinen assured that the agency is “committed to identifying and efficiently addressing” improper payments. He reiterated that anyone “not lawfully present” who enrolls for ObamaCare coverage “must repay” the advance premium credit payments, and would be breaking the law if they don’t.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/02/08/senate-report-illegal-immigrants-benefited-from-up-to-750m-in-obamacare-subsidies.html?intcmp=hplnws

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but stressed that this does not necessarily mean theyre ineligible.

Lack of verification does not mean an individual is ineligible for financial assistance, but only that a Marketplace did not receive sufficient information to verify eligibility in the time period outlined in the law, CMS spokesman Aaron Albright said.

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Well wouldnt be an article if they verified frickin eligibility before cutting the checks. "We dunno" isnt really the right answer

35 Billion (yes with a B, Billion) was spent on uncompensated medical care for the uninsured in 2001 alone. Dunno why we thought it was a good idea to stop that.

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35 Billion (yes with a B, Billion) was spent on uncompensated medical care for the uninsured in 2001 alone. Dunno why we thought it was a good idea to stop that.

38 billion isnt uncompensated

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38 billion isnt uncompensated

The number was thirty five billion in uncompensated medical care in just 2001. Uncompensated. I don't think that I follow the logic of your response.

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The number was thirty five billion in uncompensated medical care in just 2001. Uncompensated. I don't think that I follow the logic of your response.

Becuse nothing is free, someone paid for it. I know socialist think free stuff just happens but it does not

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35 Billion (yes with a B, Billion) was spent on uncompensated medical care for the uninsured in 2001 alone. Dunno why we thought it was a good idea to stop that.

The Congressional Budget Office estimated in April that the annual cost of subsidies will rise to $23 billion next year and $95 billion in 2024. Dunno why you're pretending we ever stopped paying for freeloaders, we are just paying it through a different account. That's before the first Dr bill goes out too.

Wonder if those same freeloaders are gonna pay those out of pocket costs? LOL

The number was thirty five billion in uncompensated medical care in just 2001. Uncompensated. I don't think that I follow the logic of your response.

LOL if it was paid it wasn't uncompensated. Do you live in one of those hippie dope smoking states or something?

Becuse nothing is free, someone paid for it. I know socialist think free stuff just happens but it does not

You're talking to a lib. Try using cartoons or phonics.

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Becuse nothing is free, someone paid for it. I know socialist think free stuff just happens but it does not

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35 Billion (yes with a B, Billion) was spent on uncompensated medical care for the uninsured in 2001 alone. Dunno why we thought it was a good idea to stop that.

You ship the undocumented Democrats back to their home country .. Let their native country pay for their uncompensated medical care.

If more citizens were armed, criminals would think twice about attacking them, Detroit Police Chief James Craig

Florida currently has more concealed-carry permit holders than any other state, with 1,269,021 issued as of May 14, 2014

The liberal elite ... know that the people simply cannot be trusted; that they are incapable of just and fair self-government; that left to their own devices, their society will be racist, sexist, homophobic, and inequitable -- and the liberal elite know how to fix things. They are going to help us live the good and just life, even if they have to lie to us and force us to do it. And they detest those who stand in their way."
- A Nation Of Cowards, by Jeffrey R. Snyder

Tavis Smiley: 'Black People Will Have Lost Ground in Every Single Economic Indicator' Under Obama

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Democrats>Socialists>Communists - Same goals, different speeds.

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You ship the undocumented Democrats back to their home country .. Let their native country pay for their uncompensated medical care.

If the Federal Government doesn't have enough money and resources to do that it seems unlikely that I personally do. I know, Herr Trump is going to get that done, build a wall to keep them out afterwards, and send the bill to the countries responsible.

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  • August 4, 2006 sent certified mail I-129F packet Neb SC
  • August 9, 2006 NOA1
  • August 21, 2006 received NOA1 in mail
  • October 4, 5, 7, 13 & 17 2006 Touches! 50 day address change... Yes Judith is beautiful, quit staring at her passport photo and approve us!!! Shaming works! LOL
  • October 13, 2006 NOA2! November 2, 2006 NOA2? Huh? NVC already processed and sent us on to Abu Dhabi Consulate!
  • February 12, 2007 Abu Dhabi Interview SUCCESS!!! February 14 Visa in hand!
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  • MARCH 14, 2007 WE ARE MARRIED!!!
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  • May 11, 2007 NOA1 AOS/EAD
  • June 7, 2007 Biometrics appointment
  • June 8, 2007 first post biometrics touch, June 11, next touch...
  • August 1, 2007 AOS Interview! APPROVED!! EAD APPROVED TOO...
  • August 6, 2007 EAD card and Welcome Letter received!
  • August 13, 2007 GREEN CARD received!!! 375 days since mailing the I-129F!

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If the Federal Government doesn't have enough money and resources to do that it seems unlikely that I personally do. I know, Herr Trump is going to get that done, build a wall to keep them out afterwards, and send the bill to the countries responsible.

We have enough money and resources ...Just have to have the will . Send them all back and put America back to work.

If more citizens were armed, criminals would think twice about attacking them, Detroit Police Chief James Craig

Florida currently has more concealed-carry permit holders than any other state, with 1,269,021 issued as of May 14, 2014

The liberal elite ... know that the people simply cannot be trusted; that they are incapable of just and fair self-government; that left to their own devices, their society will be racist, sexist, homophobic, and inequitable -- and the liberal elite know how to fix things. They are going to help us live the good and just life, even if they have to lie to us and force us to do it. And they detest those who stand in their way."
- A Nation Of Cowards, by Jeffrey R. Snyder

Tavis Smiley: 'Black People Will Have Lost Ground in Every Single Economic Indicator' Under Obama

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Democrats>Socialists>Communists - Same goals, different speeds.

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If the Federal Government doesn't have enough money and resources to do that it seems unlikely that I personally do. I know, Herr Trump is going to get that done, build a wall to keep them out afterwards, and send the bill to the countries responsible.

Simple answer: Say no. Pay or don't play. I realize that this concept is completely foreign to a lib but that's how life works and eventually the freeloaders will catch on and problem solved, no wall, no bill to pay for a wall. If there is no benefit they won't come and squat on our soil.

Our problem is the double standard that we apply to freeloaders that is not applied to working, paying citizens and we actually do not have to provide healthcare, schooling, or anything else to people who are in our country illegally.

It's past time to screen them at every single public and private counter they walk up to expecting a free ride.

We also need to slap businesses who employ them with much heavier fines and just leave the illegals alone. Eventually, when they walk up to a business counter the answer will be no as well. They'll leave and they won't come back.

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Simple answer: Say no. Pay or don't play. I realize that this concept is completely foreign to a lib but that's how life works and eventually the freeloaders will catch on and problem solved, no wall, no bill to pay for a wall. If there is no benefit they won't come and squat on our soil.

Our problem is the double standard that we apply to freeloaders that is not applied to working, paying citizens and we actually do not have to provide healthcare, schooling, or anything else to people who are in our country illegally.

It's past time to screen them at every single public and private counter they walk up to expecting a free ride.

We also need to slap businesses who employ them with much heavier fines and just leave the illegals alone. Eventually, when they walk up to a business counter the answer will be no as well. They'll leave and they won't come back.

I pay and I play, and at any time feel free to stop trying to pidgin hole me with the lib moniker. It just makes it look like a personal attack, except to the crack team of moderators, to anyone else reading your comments.

I don't see a lot of value in demonizing illegal immigrants. Only your last paragraph makes sense as a practical means of getting most illegals to leave voluntarily. Forced round ups and removal is not practical, nor humane.

B and J K-1 story

  • April 2004 met online
  • July 16, 2006 Met in person on her birthday in United Arab Emirates
  • August 4, 2006 sent certified mail I-129F packet Neb SC
  • August 9, 2006 NOA1
  • August 21, 2006 received NOA1 in mail
  • October 4, 5, 7, 13 & 17 2006 Touches! 50 day address change... Yes Judith is beautiful, quit staring at her passport photo and approve us!!! Shaming works! LOL
  • October 13, 2006 NOA2! November 2, 2006 NOA2? Huh? NVC already processed and sent us on to Abu Dhabi Consulate!
  • February 12, 2007 Abu Dhabi Interview SUCCESS!!! February 14 Visa in hand!
  • March 6, 2007 she is here!
  • MARCH 14, 2007 WE ARE MARRIED!!!
  • May 5, 2007 Sent AOS/EAD packet
  • May 11, 2007 NOA1 AOS/EAD
  • June 7, 2007 Biometrics appointment
  • June 8, 2007 first post biometrics touch, June 11, next touch...
  • August 1, 2007 AOS Interview! APPROVED!! EAD APPROVED TOO...
  • August 6, 2007 EAD card and Welcome Letter received!
  • August 13, 2007 GREEN CARD received!!! 375 days since mailing the I-129F!

    Remove Conditions:

  • May 1, 2009 first day to file
  • May 9, 2009 mailed I-751 to USCIS CS
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