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Filed: Citizen (pnd) Country: China
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Please see the below link to the USCIS Memoranda stating that the foreign beneficiaries original signature is not required at the time of filing the I-129f petition. This was presented to me by my attorney and we had not had a problem in regards to signatures of my foriegn fiancee.



http://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/USCIS/Laws/Memoranda/Static_Files_Memoranda/Archives%201998-2008/2005/i129f_g325a_110105.pdf



It has been this way since 2005, but some people still spread lies or misinformation about needing the original signature when filing the I-129f petition. I am posting this because I see the question asked over and over again, causing delays for people to file their petitions. Hopefully this will be helpful for someone in the future.



2014-05-12 I-129F Mailed
2014-05-21 NOA1:
2014-05-29 (ARN) Alien Registration Number
2014-08-11 Transfer (TSC to CSC)
2014-09-23 RFE:
2014-11-04 Denial of I-129f :cry:
2014-11-25 Married in Zhengzhou, Henan, China! (L):luv:
2015-01-08 I-130 Mailed (FedEx)
2015-01-12 I-130 Received by Chicago lockbox
2015-01-15 I-130 Check cleared bank
2015-01-13 I-130 NOA1 (Nebraska)
2015-04-17 I-130 NOA2 :dancing:
2015-04-20 Sent to NVC
2015-04-23 Received by NVC

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Great piece of information to have. You're right, there is always confusion about this kind of thing. I personally would have saved some money in UPS shipping in order to get my spouse's original signatures and photos. They only mention the I-129F, I would assume it's the same for the I-130. What they need to do is make it clear in the instructions that this isn't needed.


This does not constitute legal advice.

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Filed: Citizen (pnd) Country: China
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This was mentioned in the K-1 guide pinned here http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/220499-k-1-petition-information/

However a link to the USCIS memorandum would be useful, however the guide is locked.


2014-05-12 I-129F Mailed
2014-05-21 NOA1:
2014-05-29 (ARN) Alien Registration Number
2014-08-11 Transfer (TSC to CSC)
2014-09-23 RFE:
2014-11-04 Denial of I-129f :cry:
2014-11-25 Married in Zhengzhou, Henan, China! (L):luv:
2015-01-08 I-130 Mailed (FedEx)
2015-01-12 I-130 Received by Chicago lockbox
2015-01-15 I-130 Check cleared bank
2015-01-13 I-130 NOA1 (Nebraska)
2015-04-17 I-130 NOA2 :dancing:
2015-04-20 Sent to NVC
2015-04-23 Received by NVC

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Filed: AOS (apr) Country: Russia
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Please see the below link to the USCIS Memoranda stating that the foreign beneficiaries original signature is not required at the time of filing the I-129f petition. This was presented to me by my attorney and we had not had a problem in regards to signatures of my foriegn fiancee.

http://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/USCIS/Laws/Memoranda/Static_Files_Memoranda/Archives%201998-2008/2005/i129f_g325a_110105.pdf

It has been this way since 2005, but some people still spread lies or misinformation

You've fallen into the same trap.....this ONLY talks about the G-325A....and not the Letter of Intent.....many folks have pulled RFEs for not having that form with an original signature.

about needing the original signature when filing the I-129f petition. I am posting this because I see the question asked over and over again, causing delays for people to file their petitions. Hopefully this will be helpful for someone in the future.


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Filed: IR-1/CR-1 Visa Country: China
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pushbrk mentioned it here as well, so for my wife's G-325A - I wrote in 'Beneficiary will sign at Guangzhou IV on interview day' and did not have any problems about it, at all. you can see his name (pushbrk) in the portal, right under mine.. way on the right.

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Filed: AOS (apr) Country: Jamaica
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Please see the below link to the USCIS Memoranda stating that the foreign beneficiaries original signature is not required at the time of filing the I-129f petition. This was presented to me by my attorney and we had not had a problem in regards to signatures of my foriegn fiancee.

http://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/USCIS/Laws/Memoranda/Static_Files_Memoranda/Archives%201998-2008/2005/i129f_g325a_110105.pdf

It has been this way since 2005, but some people still spread lies or misinformation about needing the original signature when filing the I-129f petition. I am posting this because I see the question asked over and over again, causing delays for people to file their petitions. Hopefully this will be helpful for someone in the future.

I don't think anyone had the intention of "spreading lies" but only to help each other. At least I know I did.

Have a great day and Best of Luck to you!

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Filed: AOS (apr) Country: Russia
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The Letter of Intent needs an original signature...so why not get the 325 form signed at the same time?


Phil (Lockport, near Chicago) and Alla (Lobnya, near Moscow)

As of Dec 7, 2009, now Zero miles apart (literally)!

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Filed: Citizen (pnd) Country: China
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The Letter of Intent needs an original signature...so why not get the 325 form signed at the same time?

Letter of intent does not need it. But USCIS does use it as a delay tactic to generate an RFE. I did not get an RFE from not sending the original letter of intent (I have a lawyer). I sent scanned copies of everything from my fiancee. USCIS likes to play games when they get overloaded and this is one of many. You'll see batches of RFEs in a particular week from time to time.

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2014-05-12 I-129F Mailed
2014-05-21 NOA1:
2014-05-29 (ARN) Alien Registration Number
2014-08-11 Transfer (TSC to CSC)
2014-09-23 RFE:
2014-11-04 Denial of I-129f :cry:
2014-11-25 Married in Zhengzhou, Henan, China! (L):luv:
2015-01-08 I-130 Mailed (FedEx)
2015-01-12 I-130 Received by Chicago lockbox
2015-01-15 I-130 Check cleared bank
2015-01-13 I-130 NOA1 (Nebraska)
2015-04-17 I-130 NOA2 :dancing:
2015-04-20 Sent to NVC
2015-04-23 Received by NVC

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Letter of intent does not need it. But USCIS does use it as a delay tactic to generate an RFE. I did not get an RFE from not sending the original letter of intent (I have a lawyer). I sent scanned copies of everything from my fiancee. USCIS likes to play games when they get overloaded and this is one of many. You'll see batches of RFEs in a particular week from time to time.

But if you know they may potentially use it as a delay tactic despite being correct then why not sign to be on the safe side and avoid this? And also advise that others do the same?

I also agree that anyone who states that this is necessary is not "spreading lies" but merely trying to help prevent others from getting RFE's.

Just my opinion and I can see you are trying to spread awareness of this as so to help people speed up the process/save time & money, which is commendable.


Immigration Timeline

 

June 2013: Met whilst working at a summer camp in Michigan 

K1

November 1st 2014: I-129f submitted for K1 visa

February 24th 2015: Visa in hand!

February 26th 2015: POE at Las Vegas airport, then onwards to Oregon! 

March 6th 2015: Marriage (with a "real" wedding to follow next year on 7/6/2016)

March 9th 2015: AOS, EAD & AP submitted

September 22nd 2015: Interview

January 14th 2016: Two year Green card received -phew!

ROC

August 8th 2017: 90 day window begins! ROC time!

September 28th 2017: Biometric Appointment in Portland, OR

March 5th 2018: Case received by local office

August 18th 2018: 18 month extension letter mailed

December 2018: Case moved to another office

February 2019: I was emailed that I was approved and my card was in production the same day of my N400 interview 😂

N400

August 8th 2018: Window opens to submit naturalization application

August 13th 2018: N400 Application submitted online 

August 14th 2018: NOA1

September 6th 2018: Biometrics

February 6th 2019: Interview Date! APPROVED!

February 6th 2019: I was asked to return later the same day for my Oath Ceremony! :dance:

 

❤️ Our Visa Journey is finally complete ❤️

 

I am the Beneficiary

 

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But if you know they may potentially use it as a delay tactic despite being correct then why not sign to be on the safe side and avoid this? And also advise that others do the same?

I also agree that anyone who states that this is necessary is not "spreading lies" but merely trying to help prevent others from getting RFE's.

Just my opinion and I can see you are trying to spread awareness of this as so to help people speed up the process/save time & money, which is commendable.

I don't think anyone is intentionally trying to hurt anyone, my words were too strong when I said "spreading lies". It comes from my frustration from the whole system, the ridiculous delays, the lack of information on the USCIS websites instructions that allows loopholes to the adjudicator which in turn provides delay tactics.

I agree, the safest thing is indeed having the foreign fiancee sign 3 copies of every document and mailing 1 copy of them to you so that you can send it in with the I-129f petition. At least you have eliminated that potential RFE delay tactic. Most people won't waste time arguing with the USCIS about it, they'll just be a good dog and comply with their demands. The loves of our life are too important and well do damn near anything to have them here with us.

The system needs work, our dictator in chief may be about to grant amnesty after today's elections and all this may be just a waste of time and money when those that cheat the system get a free ride. It just makes me so frustrated.

In the future just ignore my rants...


2014-05-12 I-129F Mailed
2014-05-21 NOA1:
2014-05-29 (ARN) Alien Registration Number
2014-08-11 Transfer (TSC to CSC)
2014-09-23 RFE:
2014-11-04 Denial of I-129f :cry:
2014-11-25 Married in Zhengzhou, Henan, China! (L):luv:
2015-01-08 I-130 Mailed (FedEx)
2015-01-12 I-130 Received by Chicago lockbox
2015-01-15 I-130 Check cleared bank
2015-01-13 I-130 NOA1 (Nebraska)
2015-04-17 I-130 NOA2 :dancing:
2015-04-20 Sent to NVC
2015-04-23 Received by NVC

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I got an RFE for our G325As. Although they did not tell me what exact mistake we made on either her or my form, I realized it was writing her name in Cyrillic in the bottom box. Despite that 2005 memorandum, the RFE text stated this (and I acknowledge that this is likely long ago written boiler plate text), so I had her send me a new form with an original signature before responding. It added one week, which sucks, but the alternative seems worse.

Here's their text: "The peititioner submitted the completed and signed Form G-325A for the peitioner and beneficiary. However, please submit a properly completed and signed Form G-325A for the petitioner, A and the beneficiary, B."

Note their use of the word "signed".

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Good find, though I'm very hesitant to trust the validity of the linked document given that the path name indicates that it has been filed in an archive folder. It may well be the case that the latest Adjudicator's Field Manual supersedes this guidance.

With regard to the comments regarding "lies" and misinformation, no one has to follow the advice given by anyone else on here. I would hope that anyone who is completing an immigration application or petition is savvy enough to accept that they alone make the final decision with regard to their own submission. Therefore, they are free to ignore or follow the advice given, at their own risk.

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I don't think anyone is intentionally trying to hurt anyone, my words were too strong when I said "spreading lies". It comes from my frustration from the whole system, the ridiculous delays, the lack of information on the USCIS websites instructions that allows loopholes to the adjudicator which in turn provides delay tactics.

I agree, the safest thing is indeed having the foreign fiancee sign 3 copies of every document and mailing 1 copy of them to you so that you can send it in with the I-129f petition. At least you have eliminated that potential RFE delay tactic. Most people won't waste time arguing with the USCIS about it, they'll just be a good dog and comply with their demands. The loves of our life are too important and well do damn near anything to have them here with us.

The system needs work, our dictator in chief may be about to grant amnesty after today's elections and all this may be just a waste of time and money when those that cheat the system get a free ride. It just makes me so frustrated.

In the future just ignore my rants...

I completely understand your frustration and would always be willing to hear your opinion, I won't ever ignore someones view, I was simply adding my own input.

My fiance (petitioner) is also frustrated by those being granted amnesty when individuals like me are having such a tough time getting over there, so I do sympathise with how you feel, we are all in the same boat after all.

Once again, I commend you for trying to help others in this convoluted process and wish you the best of luck for your K1 process.


Immigration Timeline

 

June 2013: Met whilst working at a summer camp in Michigan 

K1

November 1st 2014: I-129f submitted for K1 visa

February 24th 2015: Visa in hand!

February 26th 2015: POE at Las Vegas airport, then onwards to Oregon! 

March 6th 2015: Marriage (with a "real" wedding to follow next year on 7/6/2016)

March 9th 2015: AOS, EAD & AP submitted

September 22nd 2015: Interview

January 14th 2016: Two year Green card received -phew!

ROC

August 8th 2017: 90 day window begins! ROC time!

September 28th 2017: Biometric Appointment in Portland, OR

March 5th 2018: Case received by local office

August 18th 2018: 18 month extension letter mailed

December 2018: Case moved to another office

February 2019: I was emailed that I was approved and my card was in production the same day of my N400 interview 😂

N400

August 8th 2018: Window opens to submit naturalization application

August 13th 2018: N400 Application submitted online 

August 14th 2018: NOA1

September 6th 2018: Biometrics

February 6th 2019: Interview Date! APPROVED!

February 6th 2019: I was asked to return later the same day for my Oath Ceremony! :dance:

 

❤️ Our Visa Journey is finally complete ❤️

 

I am the Beneficiary

 

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