A pregnant, suicidal rape victim fought Ireland's new abortion law. The law won

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Do as you will as long as it effects just you. This issue isn't all about the woman. Its cute though how you want to wrap it up in the "men know what is best for woman" package.

The baby is part of their bodies, dude! The issue is all about the women, otherwise you are advocating a form of slavery!

[_Simpson_ 250]

self serving doctors?

scared teenage girls should not be forced to carry a pregnancy, ever.

I disagree. It isn't just about her.

The baby is part of their bodies, dude! The issue is all about the women, otherwise you are advocating a form of slavery!

Hanging your hat on technicalities hey.

Form of slavery, were able to type that without laughing.

[Boiler 43,737]

i have a pocket panel of men that i consort with regarding a myriad of decisions, from day to day tasks to the bigguns.

and i would like to publically thank them for filling the gaps in my poor woman faculties.

Our pleasure

[Karee 4,189]

If governments are going to force people to have children, the govt. should be responsible for raising them and paying for their upbringing.

ETA: Wait! I forgot I'm paying taxes! I withdraw my previous statement. The govt. should stay out of it entirely.

Edited August 19, 2014 by Karee

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

What? But it makes me so happy sitting comfortably in my arm chair far far away, and that's all that matters.

Indeed. It's better that children go through deprived and shitty childhoods, with all the attendant emotional and mental damage, rather than not be born at all.

Utopian ideal.

[decocker 7,198]

Our pleasure

and all this time i thought you were a chick.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

If governments are going to force people to have children, the govt. should be responsible for raising them and paying for their upbringing.

Well yes, that would the logical progression of that idea.

[decocker 7,198]

TAKE OFF YOUR DOOR!

yay it's my turn to say it

[Harpa Timsah 13,258]

Indeed. It's better that children go through deprived and shitty childhoods, with all the attendant emotional and mental damage, rather than not be born at all.

Utopian ideal.

Hey, then I never hear about them until they are thugs and then I can be outraged!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I disagree. It isn't just about her.

Hanging your hat on technicalities hey.

Form of slavery, were able to type that without laughing.

It's not a technicality. And yes, if you are advocating that the government have ownership of women's bodily processes, slavery is exactly what it is.

[Karee 4,189]

TAKE OFF YOUR DOOR!

yay it's my turn to say it

I got that.

[PantomimeGoose 59]

Good news! I guarantee you there's a stranger dying out there right now who needs a liver, a kidney, platelets, marrow- someone *you* are a donor match for! Quick! Hie ye to the barber surgeon!

Ah, right. It's different when it's actually about *you*. Bodily sovereignty is a beautiful thing.

[_Simpson_ 250]

If governments are going to force people to have children, the govt. should be responsible for raising them and paying for their upbringing.

ETA: Wait! I forgot I'm paying taxes! I withdraw my previous statement. The govt. should stay out of it entirely.

The government forces people not to do many things.

[Karee 4,189]

The government forces people not to do many things.

They're forcing them to have kids they don't want and can't afford.

[_Simpson_ 250]

It's not a technicality. And yes, if you are advocating that the government have ownership of women's bodily processes, slavery is exactly what it is.

It is and that is because of the morality of this issue needs to be considered. Tying slavery into this is a weak argument.