Typhoon support

[madtownguy 164]

So my fiance asked me if we could send 5 dollars to a friend of hers that was affected by the typhoon. I tried to squash it with a simple, we will be sending your family plenty of money and gifts for xmas I think that should be enough. She then tried to adjust the amount to 2 dollars thinking it has something to do with the amount. I told her we could take back any of the clothes she got the previous weekend and use that money, then she changed her tune quickly. Maybe it's harsh but lifelines usually cause more problems then help, it's best to learn to be self sufficient with what you are provided and everything extra is just bonus.

[MuDelphi 159]

oh ok

[ConGau1981 56]

2 dollars...you're joking right??

[del-2-5-2014 1,339]

I would caution that you practice care around this sensitive subject.

Finances is a big elephant in relationships.

Good luck Sir.

[Hank_ 9,173]

... seriously what does one say about a guy that posts that BS.

[madtownguy 164]

Probably less than a guy who posts a big snoopy picture.

[B_J 2,752]

So my fiance asked me if we could send 5 dollars to a friend of hers that was affected by the typhoon. I tried to squash it with a simple, we will be sending your family plenty of money and gifts for xmas I think that should be enough. She then tried to adjust the amount to 2 dollars thinking it has something to do with the amount. I told her we could take back any of the clothes she got the previous weekend and use that money, then she changed her tune quickly. Maybe it's harsh but lifelines usually cause more problems then help, it's best to learn to be self sufficient with what you are provided and everything extra is just bonus.

I've been thinking about this for a couple of hours now. I'm trying to figure out how anybody could actually say what you just said. I'm trying to understand what's going through your mind.

I've got a few options:

1. When you say the friend was "affected by the typhoon" you mean the friend lives in Davao and they got a thunderstorm that caused their roof to leak. That's why you don't feel like sending money. I can understand that decision.

2. You are, somehow, unaware of the total devastation caused by the typhoon in Leyte, Samar, and other areas. Or maybe you've heard of what has happened but you don't really believe it - maybe it's a vast conspiracy to scam money from Americans. Maybe you should do some research on the subject.

3. Maybe you really believe your theory that a "lifeline" would cause more problems in the long term. Of course, in the short term people have no food or water and they will die. But, dammit, you've got a theory about lifelines and you're sticking to it.

4. Maybe you really are that evil.

After seeing what has happened there, I would have assumed that a request for $5 would have been followed by you adding a zero or two to the amount. I would never have imagined a refusal to help; based on a theory about learning to be self sufficient.

Do you even understand what happened there? It has nothing to do with being self sufficient. There were people who did the responsible thing. They left their home and went to the evacuation center. And then the evacuation center was destroyed!! What could they have done? What's your advice? Don't live in front of a typhoon?!?! There was no irresponsibility or lack of knowledge on how to be self sufficient. This was a disaster that they could do nothing about. And you sit here and withhold two dollars so that they can learn a F'n lesson?

Good Grief!

[Hank_ 9,173]

Probably less than a guy who posts a big snoopy picture.

Or maybe simple quote you so those that didn't read you saying this earlier can better understand:

...I may have grown up with a silver spooon but that doesn't mean I act like a #######, when someone it wrong I simply say hey you are not correct here are the facts. I feel bad for others that feel the need to try to be superior. I gave bad information on the internet, I have been lumped into millions of others who have done the same thing.

I will throw some pictures up of the world I live in tomorrow, when you realize how far you are from my level then you can try to put me down. It's as if the court jester tried to put the king in his place, what a sad sad mistake.

[Darnell 8,478]

seven dollars seems the right amount, for a friend.

[MuDelphi 159]

Do you treat your wife with such little respect in all areas of your relationship? Just curious.

Edited November 12, 2013 by MuDelphi

[clairegie 265]

It is true that it is not your responsibility to help her friend and that it is your choice how to spend your money. I agree with you on that. But your refusal to help does not get justified because you are sending Christmas gifts anyway. I guess you do not know how helpful a little amount like $5 can be to someone who has lost everything.

You may have grown up with a silver spoon, but you weren't brought up with a golden heart. And for that, I pity you. Time will come when YOU will need someones help. And when that time comes, I hope you don't have doors shut to your face like what you did to others.

Edited November 12, 2013 by iammrsregi

[Hank_ 9,173]

The scale of this disaster is overwhelming -

TACLOBAN, Philippines (AP) — The day after Typhoon Haiyan struck the eastern Philippine coast, a team of 15 doctors and logistics experts was ready to fly here to the worst-hit city to help. On Tuesday, five days into what could be the country's deadliest disaster, they were still waiting to leave.

Aid is coming to Tacloban: medical supplies, pallets of water and food piled on trucks, planes and ferries, sent by the Philippine government and countries around the world. But the scale of the disaster and challenges of delivering the assistance means few in this city, strewn with debris and corpses, have received any help.

A team from Médecins Sans Frontières, complete with medical supplies, arrived in Cebu island on Saturday looking for a flight to Tacloban, but hadn't left by Tuesday. A spokesman for the group said it was "difficult to tell" when it would be able to leave.

"We are in contact with the authorities, but the (Tacloban) airport is only for the Philippines military use," Lee Pik Kwan said in a telephone interview.

At the medics' intended destination, thousands of typhoon victims were trying to get out. They camped at the airport and ran onto the tarmac when planes came in, surging past a broken iron fence and a few soldiers and police trying to control them. Most didn't make it aboard.

"We need help. Nothing is happening," said Aristone Balute, an 81-year-old who didn't get on a flight out of the city. "We haven't eaten since yesterday afternoon." Her clothes were soaked from the rain, and tears streamed down her face.

An Associated Press reporter drove through the town for around 7 kilometers (4 miles) on Wednesday and saw more than 40 bodies. He saw no evidence of any organized delivery of food, water or medical supplies, though piles of aid have begun to arrive at the airport. Some people were lining up to get water from a hose, presumably from the city supply.

"There is a huge amount that we need to do. We have not been able to get into the remote communities," U.N. humanitarian chief Valerie Amos said in Manila. "Even in Tacloban, because of the debris and the difficulties with logistics and so on, we have not been able to get in the level of supply that we would want to. We are going to do as much as we can to bring in more."

Presidential spokesman Edwin Lacierda said relief goods were getting into the city, and the supply should increase in coming days now that the airport and a bridge to the island were open.

"We are not going to leave one person behind — one living person behind," he said. "We will help, no matter how difficult, no matter how inaccessible."

Doctors in Tacloban said they were desperate for medicine. Beside the ruined airport tower, at a small makeshift clinic with shattered windows, army and air force medics said they had treated around 1,000 people for cuts, bruises, lacerations and deep wounds.

"It's overwhelming," said Air Force Capt. Antonio Tamayo. "We need more medicine. We cannot give anti-tetanus vaccine shots because we have none."

The longer survivors go without access to clean water, food, shelter and medical help, the greater chance of disease breaking out and people dying as a result of wounds sustained in the storm.

The official death toll from the disaster rose to 1,774 on Tuesday, though authorities have said they expect that to rise markedly. They fear estimates of 10,000 dead are accurate and might be low. More than 9 million people have been affected across a large swath of the country, many of them made homeless.

Tacloban, a city of about 220,000 people on Leyte island, bore the full force of the winds and the tsunami-like storm surges. Most of the city is in ruins, a tangled mess of destroyed houses, cars and trees. Malls, garages and shops have all been stripped of food and water by hungry residents.

The loss of life appears to be concentrated in Tacloban and surrounding areas, including a portion of Samar island that is separated from Leyte island by a strait. It is possible that other devastated areas are so isolated they have not yet been reached.

In Cebu, to the southwest, the Philippine air force has been sending three C-130s back and forth to Tacloban from dawn to dusk, and had delivered 400,000 pounds of relief supplies by Tuesday, Lt. Col. Marciano Jesus Guevara said. A lack of electricity in Tacloban means planes can't land there at night.

Guevara said the C-130s have transported nearly 3,000 civilians out of the disaster zone, and that the biggest problem in Tacloban is a lack of clean drinking water.

"Water is life," he said. "If you have water with no food, you'll survive."

There is also growing concern about recovering corpses that are still rotting throughout the disaster zone. "It really breaks your heart when you see them," said Maj. Gen. Romeo Poquiz, commander of the 2nd Air Division.

"We're limited with manpower, the expertise, as well as the trucks that have to transport them to different areas for identification," Poquiz said. "Do we do a mass burial, because we can't identify them anymore? If we do a mass burial, where do you place them?"

Most Tacloban residents spent the night under pouring rain wherever they could — in the ruins of destroyed houses, in the open along roadsides and shredded trees. Some slept under tents brought in by the government or relief groups.

"There is no help coming in. They know this is a tragedy. They know our needs are urgent. Where is the shelter?" said Aristone Balute's granddaughter, Mylene, who was also at the airport. "We are confused. We don't know who is in charge."

Damaged roads and other infrastructure are complicating the relief efforts. Government officials and police and army officers are in many cases among the victims themselves, hampering coordination. The typhoon destroyed military buildings that housed 1,000 soldiers in Leyte province.

There were other distractions, including a jailbreak in Tacloban. Army Brig. Gen. Virgilio Espineli, the deputy regional military commander, said Tuesday he wasn't sure how many of the 600 inmates fled.

At Matnog, the port for ferries leaving to Samar island, dozens of trucks piled high with aid were waiting to cross. In the capital, Manila, soldiers tossed pallets of water, medical supplies and foods into C-130 planes bound for the disaster area.

The United Nations said it had released $25 million in emergency funds to pay for emergency shelter materials and household items, and for assistance with the provision of emergency health services, safe water supplies and sanitation facilities. It's launching an appeal for more aid.

The aircraft carrier USS George Washington is headed toward the region with massive amounts of water and food, but the Pentagon said it won't arrive until Thursday. The U.S. also said it is providing $20 million in immediate aid.

Aid totaling tens of millions of dollars has been pledged by many other countries, including Japan, Australia and Britain, which is sending a Royal Navy vessel with aid.

For now, relief has come to a lucky few, including Joselito Caimoy, a 42-year-old truck driver. He was able to get his wife, son and 3-year-old daughter on a flight out of Tacloban. They embraced in a tearful goodbye, but Caimoy stayed behind to guard what's left of his home and property.

"People are just scavenging in the streets. People are asking food from relatives, friends. The devastation is too much ... the malls, the grocery stories have all been looted, "he said. "They're empty. People are hungry. And they (the authorities) cannot control the people."

The dead, decomposing and stinking, litter the streets or remain trapped in the debris.

The storm also killed eight people in southern China and inflicted hundreds of millions of dollars in damage to farming and fishing industries, Chinese state media reported Tuesday.

The Philippines, an archipelago nation of more than 7,000 islands, is annually buffeted by tropical storms and typhoons, but Haiyan was an especially large catastrophe. Its winds were among the strongest ever recorded, and it may have killed more people than the previous deadliest Philippine storm, Thelma, in which about 5,100 people died in the central Philippines in 1991.

The country's deadliest disaster on record was the 1976 magnitude-7.9 earthquake that triggered a tsunami in the Moro Gulf in the southern Philippines, killing 5,791 people.

Tacloban is near Red Beach on Leyte Island, where U.S. Gen. Douglas MacArthur waded ashore in 1944 during World War II and fulfilled his famous pledge: "I shall return." The scene is re-created in a monument on the shore. After the typhoon, one of the seven statues — but not the one of MacArthur himself — was toppled over.

[thepizzadude 26]

So my fiance asked me if we could send 5 dollars to a friend of hers that was affected by the typhoon. I tried to squash it with a simple, we will be sending your family plenty of money and gifts for xmas I think that should be enough. She then tried to adjust the amount to 2 dollars thinking it has something to do with the amount. I told her we could take back any of the clothes she got the previous weekend and use that money, then she changed her tune quickly. Maybe it's harsh but lifelines usually cause more problems then help, it's best to learn to be self sufficient with what you are provided and everything extra is just bonus.

Please tell me you are either...

1. Unaware

2. Very Poor

3. Uncaring

4. Just making an ignorant joke...

And I truly hope it is # 4 (edited to remove TOS violation)

Edited November 13, 2013 by Kathryn41
to remove TOS violation and inappropriate language

[altonbebe 48]

So my fiance asked me if we could send 5 dollars to a friend of hers that was affected by the typhoon. I tried to squash it with a simple, we will be sending your family plenty of money and gifts for xmas I think that should be enough. She then tried to adjust the amount to 2 dollars thinking it has something to do with the amount. I told her we could take back any of the clothes she got the previous weekend and use that money, then she changed her tune quickly. Maybe it's harsh but lifelines usually cause more problems then help, it's best to learn to be self sufficient with what you are provided and everything extra is just bonus.

You are without a doubt, short of amazingly BLIND.

I love this part "it's best to learn to be self sufficient with what you are provided and everything extra is just bonus."

Let's see self sufficient.....what part of what is going on there DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND.

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$5.00 are you serious.

You need to take a tour around the United States in your car...(edited to remove TOS violation) . Go talk to some Sandy folks in New York / New Jersey, then swing on down to the bayou and visit some cajun Katrina folks, then after that, come on over to Houston and meet me. An Ike folk.

It is obvious you have never LOST everything over night, but hey remember : it's best to learn to be self sufficient with what you are provided and everything extra is just bonus.

Yeah, I sent my fiancee $ 5. Yeah, $ 500.00 along with offers to fly her down to 3 separate parts of the Phillipines to check on her family.

Heck, give me her name and I will send her $ 5.00.

Man, just when I thought my day could not get any worse, I read a post (like this- edited to remove TOS violation)

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Edited November 13, 2013 by Kathryn41
to remove TOS violations - personal attacks

[Kathryn41 3,205]

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