Proof of ongoing relationship?

[nebodihome 0]

To prove at the time of my fiance's interview in Bogota that we have had an ongoing relationship since I first file the I-129, I have the following:

1.) My Skype calls to her cellphone. The problem is she has lost her phone twice so that means three different number I have been calling, and I have also called her house number many times, as well as her sister and mom on occasion. Meaning that all my Skype calls have been to Colombia, but to so many different numbers that it might not be clear to whom I was calling.

2.) I regularly send her money through Western Union every 2 weeks. This might be the best evidence since I can print out a page of my WU account showing her full name and the amounts I have consistently sent, as well as e-mail confirmations that she has picked up these amounts, and I am sure she has a few of the receipts from that as well.

3.) Facebook chat logs. Although of all things, this can so easily be made up and manipulated that I'm not sure how it holds any value at all.

We don't really plan on seeing one another from point of I-129 submission until interview date so won't be able to provide photos for that time period (obviously we have plenty photos from prior, but I'm talking about this specific period between I-129 and interview). Will this be sufficient?

[TBoneTX 45,469]

Moved from K-1 Process to Latin American subforum -- questions are specific as OP looks ahead to interview at Bogota.

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OP, it's unclear whether you want to "front-load" your I-129F petition with the cited items, or if you plan to have your fiancee bring them to the embassy interview (it appears that this is it). In either event, your questions can be meaningfully and most promptly answered by the Colombia filers in the Latin American subforum.

Please also read the pinned and other threads about filing through Colombia.

Edited September 3, 2012 by TBoneTX

[Anh map 2,098]

Sending money can be seen as a plus or a minus. It could be the USC helping their future spouse to have a better life. Or, it could be a person looking to obtain a GC and milking the USC for everything they can get.

Paint a picture of a complete relationship from initial spark to the present.

[nebodihome 0]

Sending money can be seen as a plus or a minus. It could be the USC helping their future spouse to have a better life. Or, it could be a person looking to obtain a GC and milking the USC for everything they can get.

Paint a picture of a complete relationship from initial spark to the present.

In that case, should I just include some Western Union receipts? And will the other stuff, like Facebook logs and phone calls suffice? I just don't see much else that can be used. I mean... it's not like I get to see my fiance who lives in Colombia every day...

[nebodihome 0]

In that case, should I just include some Western Union receipts? And will the other stuff, like Facebook logs and phone calls suffice? I just don't see much else that can be used. I mean... it's not like I get to see my fiance who lives in Colombia every day...

Oh wait, if I come to the interview with her (which I read is allowed at the Bogota Consulate), won't this also serve as pretty strong proof of an ongoing relationship?

[Lalo & Susana 50]

I personally wouldn't send any western union receipts. I've heard of a few ppl being denied based solely on sending their fiancé money claiming that the international fiancé is after a GC and US citizens money. Even though you fiancé has changed her number three times she should still be able to get a bill from her cellphone company. For example in Chile my fiancé has chaned his number twice and he went to Claro (not sure if they have that company in Colombia) and got a bill of both accounts which show the numbers, his name and address. You should do that an get a bill for your Fiancé's family too. This is just more proof showing that even though your calling different numbers it's to communicate with your fiancé and her family. My evidence is Skype calls, facebook messages, regular mail (bday card mainly) and photos.

Hope this helps.

[Lalo & Susana 50]

I'm also going to the interview with my fiancé. It doesn't prove an ongoing relationship but it can't hurt. I believe it will show that your there for your fiancé and want to help her transition into her new life. But that is my personal opinion. Good luck.

[nebodihome 0]

I personally wouldn't send any western union receipts. I've heard of a few ppl being denied based solely on sending their fiancé money claiming that the international fiancé is after a GC and US citizens money. Even though you fiancé has changed her number three times she should still be able to get a bill from her cellphone company. For example in Chile my fiancé has chaned his number twice and he went to Claro (not sure if they have that company in Colombia) and got a bill of both accounts which show the numbers, his name and address. You should do that an get a bill for your Fiancé's family too. This is just more proof showing that even though your calling different numbers it's to communicate with your fiancé and her family. My evidence is Skype calls, facebook messages, regular mail (bday card mainly) and photos.

Hope this helps.

I am not so sure the thing with the cell phone company bill will work. I mean, she could change her number just by buying a different sim card, and I know she's not on any kind of plan, she just buys credit to make calls. But of course the bill must be somehow able to show all the incoming calls she has received from my number (which is a weird Skype number). Perhaps I will just pay her another visit between the I-129 filing date and her interview to solidify our case.

[TBoneTX 45,469]

Perhaps I will just pay her another visit between the I-129 filing date and her interview to solidify our case.

This is smartest -- collect lots of evidence then. Also, being on the consular premises (whether you're allowed in the interview or not) ALWAYS helps and NEVER hurts. Hand your U.S. passport to your fiancee to show the CO, to prove your presence.

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Thread transferred back from Latin American subforum to K-1 Process -- OP has clarified that questions involve inclusions in I-129F filing.

[Lalo & Susana 50]

I am not so sure the thing with the cell phone company bill will work. I mean, she could change her number just by buying a different sim card, and I know she's not on any kind of plan, she just buys credit to make calls. But of course the bill must be somehow able to show all the incoming calls she has received from my number (which is a weird Skype number). Perhaps I will just pay her another visit between the I-129 filing date and her interview to solidify our case.

Yeah that won't work. Anyone can buy one of those prepaids. We were going to use that some when I go there I use a prepaid but it doesn't have any of my information. I think going down there is really smart. I am going to do that too. You guys can go and get everything together. Make sure you take a lot of pictures. I am not sure about Colombia but I have spoken to several ppl from Chile who said if the US citizen goes to the interview the interviewer is much nicer and it goes smoother. Good luck!

[baron555 934]

To prove at the time of my fiance's interview in Bogota that we have had an ongoing relationship since I first file the I-129, I have the following:

1.) My Skype calls to her cellphone. The problem is she has lost her phone twice so that means three different number I have been calling, and I have also called her house number many times, as well as her sister and mom on occasion. Meaning that all my Skype calls have been to Colombia, but to so many different numbers that it might not be clear to whom I was calling.

2.) I regularly send her money through Western Union every 2 weeks. This might be the best evidence since I can print out a page of my WU account showing her full name and the amounts I have consistently sent, as well as e-mail confirmations that she has picked up these amounts, and I am sure she has a few of the receipts from that as well.

3.) Facebook chat logs. Although of all things, this can so easily be made up and manipulated that I'm not sure how it holds any value at all.

We don't really plan on seeing one another from point of I-129 submission until interview date so won't be able to provide photos for that time period (obviously we have plenty photos from prior, but I'm talking about this specific period between I-129 and interview). Will this be sufficient?

Sending money is no evidence of a relationship and for some couples or Embassies this can be seen as "buying" a fiance. It is usually suggested that you NOT use any of this type of documentation.

[Que Saudade 284]

OP, I am going to play devil's advocate here. I am sure some others aren't going to like it.

Some questions for you.

Have you filed your I-129F petition yet?

In your other thread, where you sought and were given good advice, it appears that you haven't submitted it yet.

Your first concern would be the proper filing of the I-129F. Get that taken care of.

Then, once you have your I-129F petition put together, (with proper forms filled out and the documentation you need for that) and sent in, you can use the time that you are waiting for the approval to build the evidence of ongoing relation. You will have around 6 months time to do that.

You are causing yourself unnecessary confusion by jumping all around. Study the guides. Follow the directions. Get your I-129F petition filed.

Then move to step 2.

This process is multi-stepped. Think of it like trying to eat an elephant, you can't just shove the whole thing in your mouth, you have to eat it one bite at a time.

Good Luck and follow the advice and recommendations you have been previously given. You will be fine

[Sarah&Oscar 4]

Send each other e-mails and print them all. That is good proof too.

[LA NEGRA 19]

E-mils are good,letters and packages too...

[X Factor 1,112]

If you did submit your I-129 then fill out your timeline. If not you have to gather evidence for your I-129 to prove that they two of you met such as plane ticket, boarding passes, pictures together, atm receipts in Columbia when you visited, hotel bills etc.