Anti smoking zealots killing business in Anchorage

[Ban Hammer 12,836]

Wrong.

oh noes! now we don't have anyone to protect us!

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

What is a "smoking establishment"? I thought people went into bars to drink and restaurants to eat. People are still free to open smoking clubs if they want a smoking establishment.

There are still bars around here in FL where one can smoke. I think back home in Germany there were some places that got around the smoking ban by turning into "member only" clubs - membership was like a buck or so. Then you have cigar bars where people go to smoke - and where they can also have a drink. Thus far, the sky didn't fall anywhere when smoking bans were implemented.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Those smoking lounges at the airports?

Those places where you can go smoke without having to actually light a cigarette?

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

People need more laws. I mean what would it be like if we didn't have the government telling us when to ####### and how to #######.

[Dakine10 5,452]

would you have preferred battered wives syndrome? That's as good of an example as any.

Wow, zealots, fascists, bolsheviks, masochists and now physically and psychologically abused. These analogies sure make people who don't want to breath second hand smoke sound like a horrible bunch.

If I didn't already know not to take you seriously, I might be offended.

Edited May 11, 2012 by Dakine10

[Trompe le Monde 1,107]

No one is actually stopping anyone from smoking, they are just requiring they go outside to do it.

This has been the law in California for about 15 years and bars and restaurants are doing just fine.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

Wow, zealots, fascists, bolsheviks, masochists and now physically and psychologically abused. These analogies sure make people who don't want to breath second hand smoke sound like a horrible bunch.

If I didn't already know not to take you seriously, I might be offended.

You're missing the point. People DO NOT HAVE TO PATRON establishments that allow smoking. If you continue to go there and yet complain about it, you're no better than a battered wife who keeps going back to her husband time and time again. She could just walk away and never go back to him again, just as you don't have to patron an establishment ever again.

Instead we don't like our 'choices' so we eliminate the 'choice' of others. That's a load of fvcking bullshit.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

You're missing the point. People DO NOT HAVE TO PATRON establishments that allow smoking.

Neither do people have to patron establishments where smoking is not allowed. If a smoker can't have a drink or meal in a place where (s)he doesn't have to cut his or her way through the air first, then don't. Nobody makes you go there. Cuts both ways.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Wow, zealots, fascists, bolsheviks, masochists and now physically and psychologically abused. These analogies sure make people who don't want to breath second hand smoke sound like a horrible bunch.

If I didn't already know not to take you seriously, I might be offended.

If you don't want to breath second hand smoke then stay away from it. I'm sure the non smokers can start up their own non smoking establishments instead of trying to screw the people who want to have a drink and smoke at the club.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

Neither do people have to patron establishments where smoking is not allowed. If a smoker can't have a drink or meal in a place where (s)he doesn't have to cut his or her way through the air first, then don't. Nobody makes you go there. Cuts both ways.

It only works boths ways if smoking and non-smoking facilities are equally allowed. Instead the non-smokers piss, b1tch and moan to get their way.

Your point is completely moot due ot laws that restrict smoking in establishments now days.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

It only works boths ways if smoking and non-smoking facilities are equally allowed.

It is. At least down here. As I said, there are establishments where you can smoke. Not the kind of place where they serve Chateaubriand but you can grab a beer or cocktail there and a bag of chips if you're lucky.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

It is. At least down here. As I said, there are establishments where you can smoke. Not the kind of place where they serve Chateaubriand but you can grab a beer or cocktail there and a bag of chips if you're lucky.

They are here in Fort Worth still too, but when an entire state (like MN for example) bans it in all restaurants, bars, night clubs, etc... then you eliminate any choice for people.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

They are here in Fort Worth still too, but when an entire state (like MN for example) bans it in all restaurants, bars, night clubs, etc... then you eliminate any choice for people.

Private membership clubs would probably still be an option. If there's money to be made serving drinks and food to smokers, someone will find a way to make that money.

[Dakine10 5,452]

You're missing the point. People DO NOT HAVE TO PATRON establishments that allow smoking. If you continue to go there and yet complain about it, you're no better than a battered wife who keeps going back to her husband time and time again. She could just walk away and never go back to him again, just as you don't have to patron an establishment ever again.

Instead we don't like our 'choices' so we eliminate the 'choice' of others. That's a load of fvcking bullshit.

People can apply that logic to anything. Sometimes you have to accept it's not always about you.

What if I wanted to have sex with my wife on the restaurant table after dinner? Obviously there's a law against that. Yet I always believed I have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Do you think I have a legitimate complaint that the government has infringed upon my rights? If not, why do you look at smoking differently?

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

People can apply that logic to anything. Sometimes you have to accept it's not always about you.

What if I wanted to have sex with my wife on the restaurant table after dinner? Obviously there's a law against that. Yet I always believed I have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Do you think I have a legitimate complaint that the government has infringed upon my rights? If not, why do you look at smoking differently?

PM me when your wife's ready to break the law.