Lose German Citizenship

[karin_brenig 18]

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[Ruffie 22]

Hi, yes, your husband will defently loose his citizenship for germany. Germany is one of the few countries who DO NOT support dual citizenship.

Yes, he can apply for it ... but for this he will have to proove that he has family-blood-line related ties in the USA!! Or if he owns land, lots of houses, a company etc that makes him need the citizenship in germany ... but even then its almost impossible that germany accepts it. For more info you can message me cause there is one way he can keep both .... greetings from Heidelberg.

No, of course it is NOT impossible to get your BBG approved. On the contrary, it's rather easy if you follow a few basic rules. And you don't need family nor "blood line" relations to the U.S., either... Why on earth you would spread misinformation like that it totally beyond me...

As Karin already stated - the Yahoo! group zweipaesse is THE place to go to to find information on how to get your BBG approved.

[soch 2]

UPDATE! Postponed oath and it was rescheduled for February 7th....(so soon, go figure!) therefore we sent a letter postponing again... and we received and email saying "you falied to attend..." "you will receive instructuions on how to proceed in the mail" ARE WE IN TROUBLE? Does anyone know how many times you can postpone? Our postponment letter did say we are waiting on an answer from Germany.

OH! and BBG was submitted this week... finally :-)

thank you all for your help and support.

[love2win 1]

I'm sorry if sound ignorant: How will Germany know about it's citizens gaining dual citizenship? I thought you will just keep both of your passports that's all. son has dual citizenship. He was born here and he's French just because I'm french...

Again forgive my lack of familiarity but I'm interested in knowing how would Germany know about the oath...

Secon question: Im working on getting naturalized in US and heard that they will take my French passport away... Is this true? And why?

Thanks

[ceadsearc 515]

UPDATE! Postponed oath and it was rescheduled for February 7th....(so soon, go figure!) therefore we sent a letter postponing again... and we received and email saying "you falied to attend..." "you will receive instructuions on how to proceed in the mail" ARE WE IN TROUBLE? Does anyone know how many times you can postpone? Our postponment letter did say we are waiting on an answer from Germany.

OH! and BBG was submitted this week... finally :-)

thank you all for your help and support.

It sounds like they didn't get the message in time that you wanted to postpone and instead think you just did not show up. I know in the AOS stage, that usually leads to a denial and having to refile or reopen the case, but I have no idea what the consequences are in the citizenship stage. Hopefully someone else will have the answer.

[Harpa Timsah 13,258]

I'm sorry if sound ignorant: How will Germany know about it's citizens gaining dual citizenship? I thought you will just keep both of your passports that's all. son has dual citizenship. He was born here and he's French just because I'm french...

Again forgive my lack of familiarity but I'm interested in knowing how would Germany know about the oath...

Secon question: Im working on getting naturalized in US and heard that they will take my French passport away... Is this true? And why?

Thanks

I've read a story where someone who obtained a second citizenship tried to use their German passport to enter Germany (without getting the permission to keep it) and was hauled to jail for falsely claiming German Citizenship. They'll know.

[Anna C. 4]

Ok, here we go: they will find out eventually. I have never heard of anyone going to jail but I might not know the "wrong people", kwim?

So if you live abroad and you need to get your German passport, you have to order it through your Consulate. In order to do so, you need to send a certified copy of your vaild visa or green card. You won't have that when you are a citizen, so they will not give you a new passport when you cannot show your legal residency in the country abroad. Now you are legal cause you are a citizen, then they will ask you to produce a valid BBG. You have none? Ooops just lost your German citizenship. All I'm saying, it's not worth trying to trick the government, it's not right, legal and you will get caught.

[love2win 1]

I'm still lost... Let's say your German passport is valid and before your passport expires you fly to Germany to renew it. Unless the United States sends aloof German Naturalized citizens to the German consulate and I don't thinks they do that.

Please help me understand. Thank you

Ok, here we go: they will find out eventually. I have never heard of anyone going to jail but I might not know the "wrong people", kwim?

So if you live abroad and you need to get your German passport, you have to order it through your Consulate. In order to do so, you need to send a certified copy of your vaild visa or green card. You won't have that when you are a citizen, so they will not give you a new passport when you cannot show your legal residency in the country abroad. Now you are legal cause you are a citizen, then they will ask you to produce a valid BBG. You have none? Ooops just lost your German citizenship. All I'm saying, it's not worth trying to trick the government, it's not right, legal and you will get caught.

[Anna C. 4]

You cannot do that. You cannot renew your passport in Germany when you live abroad. To get a passport at a German office, you need to prove residency which you cannot do when you live in the US or elsewhere. Kwim?

[Brother Hesekiel 2,235]

I'm sorry if sound ignorant: How will Germany know about it's citizens gaining dual citizenship? I thought you will just keep both of your passports that's all. son has dual citizenship.

It's indeed not guaranteed that they will find out if you don't tell them.

However. if a German national wants a new German passport from the German consulate in the U.S., he or she will need to show:

1) a valid Green Card, or

2) a Beibehaltungsurkunde, or

3) a printout from the USCIS based on the Freedom of Information Act that they have not naturalized.

If a German national wants a new passport from their home country, they have to state under Oath that they did not naturalize .

So, yes, it's possible to get away with a crime (false claim of citizenship and document fraud), possibly for along. long time, but I wouldn't use that as a recipe for anything.

Edited February 13, 2012 by Kathryn41
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[karin_brenig 18]

also, I believe this fraudulent claim of being German will hurt you when you want to claim retirement benefits in Germany.

You can't even mention your time in the USA then, on your Rentenantrag, because German Rentenversicherungsanstalt would contact US Social Security Administration on your behalf to find out how many years you paid into the US social security.

SSA knows you're a US citizen, and will inform RVA accordingly.

You'd have to forego all those years of US social security you paid for, maybe you wouldn't even qualify for German Rente without your US years.

It would also look really weird on your Rentenantrag, if you had many years completely unaccounted for - be prepared to answer what you were living on, if you had no income from anywhere (because you can't mention your US income) for years.

[soch 2]

still waiting for that letter in the mail... hmmm i too believe our postponment letter did not get to them on time.

[Brother Hesekiel 2,235]

Soch,

there's nothing they can do to really hurt you right now. If you passed the interview and have been scheduled for the Oath, you can keep rescheduling until they get mad as hell. They can't consider your N-400 as abandoned, as long as you keep it on life support. Write a letter requesting a later appointment due to an unforseen emergency. Mail it by registered mail with return receipt.

[soch 2]

UPDATE!

Last night opened mail box to a letter from USCIS saying: "You were scheduled to appear.... at 8:30am. Our records indicate you failed to appear.... You will be notified by USCIS of the date, place and time of your reschduled Oath..." SO I GUESS WE WAIT FOR A NEW DATE.

Tonight (2 hours ago) husband opened opeend his email to find a letter from koeln saying: "Ihrem Antrag habe ich stattgegeben und eine Beibehaltungsurkunde gefertigt. Die Urkunde habe ich heute an das Generalkonsulat in.... gesandt. Von dort werden Sie weitere Nachricht erhalten."

THERFORE BBG APPROVED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS!!!!!!!!?????? So quick! We are so excited! We hope instructions come quick and the next oath ceremony follows.

We can't thank you enough for all your help and support during this process.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!

[nwctzn 55]

UPDATE!

Last night opened mail box to a letter from USCIS saying: "You were scheduled to appear.... at 8:30am. Our records indicate you failed to appear.... You will be notified by USCIS of the date, place and time of your reschduled Oath..." SO I GUESS WE WAIT FOR A NEW DATE.

Tonight (2 hours ago) husband opened opeend his email to find a letter from koeln saying: "Ihrem Antrag habe ich stattgegeben und eine Beibehaltungsurkunde gefertigt. Die Urkunde habe ich heute an das Generalkonsulat in.... gesandt. Von dort werden Sie weitere Nachricht erhalten."

THERFORE BBG APPROVED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS!!!!!!!!?????? So quick! We are so excited! We hope instructions come quick and the next oath ceremony follows.

We can't thank you enough for all your help and support during this process.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!

Great news! Glad it worked out so quickly. Let us know how it goes with the oath rescheduling.