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I met my future spouse on www.amigos.com. Is this considered a marriage broker? What does it mean if I answer ‘yes’ to this question?

No amigos is a personals, not a marriage broker. Im under the impression that a marriage broker is more like a mail-order bride service, where there is a middle man facilitating everything.


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Interesting, I met my wife on Latinamerciacupid.com and figured they were a marraige broker. Anyone else have a take on this as I am interested as well.

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The definition of IMB, under Section 833(e)(4)(A), is any corporation, individual, or legal entity, whether or not existing under the laws of the U.S., who charges fees for providing dating, matrimonial, matchmaking or social referrals or is "otherwise faciliating communication between individuals."

There are, under Section 833(e)(4)(B), TWO IMPORTANT EXCEPTIONS, : 1) "The Non-Profit": a traditional matchmaking organization of a cultural or religious nature which offers its services on a non-profit basis under law, tyically a state-registered corporation, and 2) "The Non-Primary Business with Comparable Rates": a domestic dating service or other primary service whose principal business is NOT international dating and which charges comparable rates for comparable services to all individuals, men and women, domestic and foreign.

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Answering 'yes' does not preclude a denial as I've seen several here on VJ who checked 'yes' and were approved.

Go to IMBRA special topics in this forum for more info.

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showforum=126

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The following recent thread discusses this question in detail.

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...c=31361&hl=

In our application we listed the personals website where we met, and then said that while we didn't consider it a IMB, we didn't know the legal definition. We weren't questioned on this. (At least not yet.)

Tom


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We did the same as TomYu did. Said we met on Match.com and said that while we did not consider it to be a MB under section 'whatever' of the act - here is the contact information anyway that they would want if it was. Talk about covering all your bases.

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I met my future spouse on www.amigos.com. Is this considered a marriage broker? What does it mean if I answer ‘yes’ to this question?

If you paid $$ for her contact information (address, email, telephone#, etc), then AMIGOS is a "marriage broker" under IMBRA laws.

Answer "YES", give their address, telephone#, sign and date the form and return your RFE.


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is it a dating service did u have to pay anything to be on the site?? if so its a marraige broker. so lets say u met on match.com u would have to show all the info prof from that site.... how ever i heards its easier to say u met in a chat and then shared your emails and then have chatted with msn or yahoo messenger or something i heard it alot more stuff they ask for.... honestly i would asnwer no and let your fiancee know that u have met on line and what not...

michelle

I met my future spouse on www.amigos.com. Is this considered a marriage broker? What does it mean if I answer ‘yes’ to this question?

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02/20/2007 - letter for Biometrics appointment on 03/01/2007

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is it a dating service did u have to pay anything to be on the site?? if so its a marraige broker. so lets say u met on match.com u would have to show all the info prof from that site.... how ever i heards its easier to say u met in a chat and then shared your emails and then have chatted with msn or yahoo messenger or something i heard it alot more stuff they ask for.... honestly i would asnwer no and let your fiancee know that u have met on line and what not...

michelle

I met my future spouse on www.amigos.com. Is this considered a marriage broker? What does it mean if I answer ‘yes’ to this question?

Michelle, I wouldn't recommend lying to immigration under ANY circumstances. :no:

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If you are unsure, as was I regarding this question, then answer yes and add an attachment stating you were not sure if the place you met was considered a Marriage Broker by law, but you are providing the information they request in cases of Marriage Brokers.

This is what I did, and had no problems what so ever. If your not sure, it's usually better to give them the information and let them decide if it is a Marriage Broker or not... that way if they determine it is, they will already have the information, so no RFE.


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NOA1 Date Received - 5/09/2006

Petition Transfered from NSC to CSC - 6/01/2006

Touched - 6/02/2006

Touched - 6/03/2006

IMBRA RFE Received - 06/30/2006 (Dated 06/23/2006)

IMBRA RFE Delivered - 07/01/2006 (USPS Next Day)

Touched - 07/03/2006 (Email saying they sent RFE)

Touched - 07/04/2006

Touched - 07/05/2006

Touched - 07/10/2006 (Recieved RFE Response)

Touched - 07/11/2006

Touched - 07/12/2006

Touched - 07/13/2006

Touched - 08/03/2006

NOA2 Approved - 08/03/2006

Touched - 08/06/2006

NVC Entered Case into System - 08/21/2006

Consulate in Rio de Janeiro confirms receipt - 08/29/2006 (may have arrived sooner, only got around to calling today).

Fiance sent Packet 3 to Embassy (Before she actually received it) - 09/01/2006

Fiance receives actual Packet 3 - 09/06/2006

Fiance receives Packet 4 - 09/22/2006

Medical Scheduled - 11/06/2006

Interview Scheduled - 11/07/2006

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If you are unsure, as was I regarding this question, then answer yes and add an attachment stating you were not sure if the place you met was considered a Marriage Broker by law, but you are providing the information they request in cases of Marriage Brokers.

This is what I did, and had no problems what so ever. If your not sure, it's usually better to give them the information and let them decide if it is a Marriage Broker or not... that way if they determine it is, they will already have the information, so no RFE.

I am uncertain as to why people are scared to answer "Yes" to the MB question? Is there a stigma or a percieved delay that will occur because of it? There is no question that I met my lady through an MB, so I am concerned what all the fuss is about.


YMMV

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If you are unsure, as was I regarding this question, then answer yes and add an attachment stating you were not sure if the place you met was considered a Marriage Broker by law, but you are providing the information they request in cases of Marriage Brokers.

This is what I did, and had no problems what so ever. If your not sure, it's usually better to give them the information and let them decide if it is a Marriage Broker or not... that way if they determine it is, they will already have the information, so no RFE.

I am uncertain as to why people are scared to answer "Yes" to the MB question? Is there a stigma or a percieved delay that will occur because of it? There is no question that I met my lady through an MB, so I am concerned what all the fuss is about.

I think people worry about the interview stage.


I only offer advice - not even legal. Just the plain and simple kind.

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If you are unsure, as was I regarding this question, then answer yes and add an attachment stating you were not sure if the place you met was considered a Marriage Broker by law, but you are providing the information they request in cases of Marriage Brokers.

This is what I did, and had no problems what so ever. If your not sure, it's usually better to give them the information and let them decide if it is a Marriage Broker or not... that way if they determine it is, they will already have the information, so no RFE.

I am uncertain as to why people are scared to answer "Yes" to the MB question? Is there a stigma or a percieved delay that will occur because of it? There is no question that I met my lady through an MB, so I am concerned what all the fuss is about.

I think people worry about the interview stage.

Is there something specific here that I should be thinking about and preparing my fiance' for when that time arrives?


YMMV

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If you are unsure, as was I regarding this question, then answer yes and add an attachment stating you were not sure if the place you met was considered a Marriage Broker by law, but you are providing the information they request in cases of Marriage Brokers.

This is what I did, and had no problems what so ever. If your not sure, it's usually better to give them the information and let them decide if it is a Marriage Broker or not... that way if they determine it is, they will already have the information, so no RFE.

I am uncertain as to why people are scared to answer "Yes" to the MB question? Is there a stigma or a percieved delay that will occur because of it? There is no question that I met my lady through an MB, so I am concerned what all the fuss is about.

I think people worry about the interview stage.

Is there something specific here that I should be thinking about and preparing my fiance' for when that time arrives?

That's what we'd like to know. We've found some changes in how the interview goes are mentioned in the law, but we don't know how the consulates will handle IMBRA issues.


I only offer advice - not even legal. Just the plain and simple kind.

Timeline (incompleta)

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If you are unsure, as was I regarding this question, then answer yes and add an attachment stating you were not sure if the place you met was considered a Marriage Broker by law, but you are providing the information they request in cases of Marriage Brokers.

This is what I did, and had no problems what so ever. If your not sure, it's usually better to give them the information and let them decide if it is a Marriage Broker or not... that way if they determine it is, they will already have the information, so no RFE.

I am uncertain as to why people are scared to answer "Yes" to the MB question? Is there a stigma or a percieved delay that will occur because of it? There is no question that I met my lady through an MB, so I am concerned what all the fuss is about.

I think people worry about the interview stage.

Is there something specific here that I should be thinking about and preparing my fiance' for when that time arrives?

That's what we'd like to know. We've found some changes in how the interview goes are mentioned in the law, but we don't know how the consulates will handle IMBRA issues.

Hopefully some are in the pipeline and will be able to provide insight. Other than 1 person who reported a non-event interview with his fiance' on Sept 18th at the Kiev consulate, I do not know anyone here who is close. I know of one person for sure who is ahead of me in the process and if he gets there before we have heard some reports, I will certainly post his experience but in the mean time I will "bang the bushes" for others that I might come in contact with...


YMMV

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