Illegal immigrants worried about their children...

[az110965 252]

Greetings all.

I read an interesting article regarding Alabama's new immigration law, whereby an illegal immigrant who is arrested can now be held without bond...

Immigration reform will continue to be big news, especially with the next election coming up.

http://news.yahoo.com/immigrants-fearing-deportation-plans-kids-131450031.html

[skiptex 225]

its cuz they are mexican they have the problems..

maybe we should adopt the WET FOOT/DRY FOOT policy we have for Cubans for Mexicans also.. then there would not be a problem

Edited October 9, 2011 by skiptex

[ConcordUser 18]

its cuz they are mexican they have the problems..

maybe we should adopt the WET FOOT/DRY FOOT policy we have for Cubans for Mexicans also.. then there would not be a problem

What is Wet Foot / Dry Foot policy? I never heard of it.

[skiptex 225]

What is Wet Foot / Dry Foot policy? I never heard of it.

cubans leave their country trying to get to USA..

if the US Coast Guard find them in the water "wet fee".. we return them back to Cuba..

if One who makes it to shore ("dry feet") gets a chance to remain in the United States, and later would qualify for expedited "legal permanent resident" status and U.S. citizenship.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wet_feet,_dry_feet_policy

Edited October 9, 2011 by skiptex

[az110965 252]

It's not just Mexican illegal immigrants that potentially can be deported, it's illegals from every country.

It's a shame that the children will be the ones to suffer. They did nothing wrong since for the most part they came here with their parents, and no longer have a homeland. Some of these immigrants children only speak English and not their parent's native language.

I'm torn in how I feel. One the one hand my fiance and I are doing things by the book and she's entering legally, so for a second I thought "hmm, these people are here illegally so whatever happens to them happens", but on the other hand it's truly tragic that so many people's lives will be potentially ruined and how many familes will be split apart due to these laws?

[JimVaPhuong 4,863]

It's not just Mexican illegal immigrants that potentially can be deported, it's illegals from every country.

It's a shame that the children will be the ones to suffer. They did nothing wrong since for the most part they came here with their parents, and no longer have a homeland. Some of these immigrants children only speak English and not their parent's native language.

I'm torn in how I feel. One the one hand my fiance and I are doing things by the book and she's entering legally, so for a second I thought "hmm, these people are here illegally so whatever happens to them happens", but on the other hand it's truly tragic that so many people's lives will be potentially ruined and how many familes will be split apart due to these laws?

They set themselves up for this when they entered the US illegally. The pitiable situation they find themselves in now would not have happened if they hadn't broken the law to begin with. I do have sympathy for their children, but their situation is not the fault of the Alabama government or it's new law. They took the risk that something like this could happen when they entered illegally, and when they chose to have children in the United States. They presumed it wouldn't happen because the federal government has a record of selective law enforcement. The Alabama law mirrors federal law, with the additional caveat that it requires Alabama law enforcement officers to enforce the law. I'm a little disgusted with the media for trotting these people out with their sob stories and completely glossing over the fact that they got themselves into this mess voluntarily.

"I can't stop working. My daughters need shoes and other things."

She shouldn't be working in the US to begin with, and her employer is breaking the law by providing her with a job. What's next? "We're doing the work that Americans won't do!" What they really mean is that they're willing to work for slave wages because they don't have legal status, and there's no shortage of employers in the US who are more than happy to exploit them. If they had green cards then they too would be demanding minimum wage jobs. The ones who use fake ID's and Social Security numbers and lie on an I-9 form are even worse because they actually ARE taking a job that a US citizen or permanent resident would be happy to take.

I know a farmer who grows strawberries near the Northern California coast. He only sells his fruit through roadside stands and local farmer's markets. Because he doesn't have to pay distributors he gets to keep all the profit, so he can afford to pay minimum wage to strawberry pickers. He insists on proof of lawful presence for everyone who shows up for work, and he turns people away every day because he's got more than enough workers by the time the shift starts. Every day he says someone will show up and offer to work for half as much if he'll overlook their legal status. He just laughs and tells them to go find a farmer who is willing to break the law because he's not. Other farmers who sell their produce to distributors are forced to hire illegals because their competitors are hiring them, and the net result is artificially deflated prices.

This is the same reason that unemployment is so high in the US. We can't compete with Chinese labor costs, and we don't charge tariffs to offset the difference. Nobody can afford to produce anything in the US because their competitors will always be able to undercut their retail prices because they're getting their products made in China. Free trade is the reason the middle class are disappearing in America. It's not the greed on Wall Street.

Frankly, I think every state should enact laws similar to Alabama's. Eventually, there would be far fewer people in this situation because they'd simply stop coming if they know the chances of getting away with it were slim. Someone's willingness to break the law is directly proportional to their perceived chances of getting caught.

[sachinky 464]

I'm a little disgusted with the media for trotting these people out with their sob stories and completely glossing over the fact that they got themselves into this mess voluntarily.

And CNN is the worst offender. Everyday there's some sob story about some poor illegal (oh, sorry, undocumented) immigrant who has to withdraw his kid from Kindergarten and pack up his stuff in order to move back to Mexico due to this mean, harsh law. And then the kid wants to see Finding Nemo and the mom has to tell him that it's already in the box. Then she cries about the fact that she can't take the tv and the couch with her.

The one that set my blood boiling the one about the crippled church volunteer illegal immigrant in a wheel-chair.

Talk about being biased and manipulative.

Frankly, I think every state should enact laws similar to Alabama's. Eventually, there would be far fewer people in this situation because they'd simply stop coming if they know the chances of getting away with it were slim. Someone's willingness to break the law is directly proportional to their perceived chances of getting caught.

+1000 :thumbs:

[az110965 252]

"I'm a little disgusted with the media for trotting these people out with their sob stories and completely glossing over the fact that they got themselves into this mess voluntarily."

Well, the media in this country is definitely liberally slanted, so they post these sgtories to take pot shots at the Republican congressman in Alabala as well as the Republian Alabama Governor Robert Bentley.

I agree that immigration enforcenemt up to now has been laughable in this country. There are an estimated 20+ million undocumented immigrants in this country that use our resporces, health care and do take some of the jobs Americans would take.

I also agree that these folks came here with the knowledge that they could be caught and deported, but as I said - the children will be made to suffer the sins of their parents.

[justashooter 430]

disgusted by it all, really.

someone knowingly commits a crime and then says,

"but i have to buy shoes for my daughter".

really?

[Noah Lot 387]

They set themselves up for this when they entered the US illegally. The pitiable situation they find themselves in now would not have happened if they hadn't broken the law to begin with. I do have sympathy for their children, but their situation is not the fault of the Alabama government or it's new law. They took the risk that something like this could happen when they entered illegally, and when they chose to have children in the United States. They presumed it wouldn't happen because the federal government has a record of selective law enforcement. The Alabama law mirrors federal law, with the additional caveat that it requires Alabama law enforcement officers to enforce the law. I'm a little disgusted with the media for trotting these people out with their sob stories and completely glossing over the fact that they got themselves into this mess voluntarily.

"I can't stop working. My daughters need shoes and other things."

She shouldn't be working in the US to begin with, and her employer is breaking the law by providing her with a job. What's next? "We're doing the work that Americans won't do!" What they really mean is that they're willing to work for slave wages because they don't have legal status, and there's no shortage of employers in the US who are more than happy to exploit them. If they had green cards then they too would be demanding minimum wage jobs. The ones who use fake ID's and Social Security numbers and lie on an I-9 form are even worse because they actually ARE taking a job that a US citizen or permanent resident would be happy to take.

I know a farmer who grows strawberries near the Northern California coast. He only sells his fruit through roadside stands and local farmer's markets. Because he doesn't have to pay distributors he gets to keep all the profit, so he can afford to pay minimum wage to strawberry pickers. He insists on proof of lawful presence for everyone who shows up for work, and he turns people away every day because he's got more than enough workers by the time the shift starts. Every day he says someone will show up and offer to work for half as much if he'll overlook their legal status. He just laughs and tells them to go find a farmer who is willing to break the law because he's not. Other farmers who sell their produce to distributors are forced to hire illegals because their competitors are hiring them, and the net result is artificially deflated prices.

This is the same reason that unemployment is so high in the US. We can't compete with Chinese labor costs, and we don't charge tariffs to offset the difference. Nobody can afford to produce anything in the US because their competitors will always be able to undercut their retail prices because they're getting their products made in China. Free trade is the reason the middle class are disappearing in America. It's not the greed on Wall Street.

Frankly, I think every state should enact laws similar to Alabama's. Eventually, there would be far fewer people in this situation because they'd simply stop coming if they know the chances of getting away with it were slim. Someone's willingness to break the law is directly proportional to their perceived chances of getting caught.

I totally agree...the United States of America does NOT owe the rest of the world a particular standard of living. Illegal alien supporters frequently forget that illegal aliens steal from US taxpayers, by obtaining free medical care, by placing their children (not USCs) into our public schools, by working for low wages and thus depressing wages across many blue collar industries, cause untold numbers of car wrecks that they walk away from because they are too irresponsible to buy insurance, bring disease into our country and into our schools because they are living here without having been medically cleared, etc, etc, etc....now, for those of you who just love illegal aliens and think they are the most deserving people on earth, well, why haven't you taken in a dozen or so into YOUR home, feed and clothe them, let them have a job at your business (while firing an American worker), let them use your car, etc....because if you are unwilling to do this, please don't ask me and other patriotic Americans to do the same, by trying to pass laws that would reward illegals instead of shipping them back to their own country.

[EminTX 131]

One of the things that bothers me so much is the whole, "My parents brought me here illegally when I was ## to give me a better life. I don't know any other culture!"

I have never once seen or heard a single one saying, "My parents did me wrong by screwing me out of the culture I was born in to. They lied to me all my years by raising me as if I belong here while knowing every second that this was a sham and could end abruptly. I blame my parents completely for this despicable situation that I am now in. I want to live here. I will do what it takes to make this right without circumventing the law."

If someone publicly professed that honestly, I'd probably faint.

Edited November 27, 2011 by EminTX

[Nicoco 26]

Makes me sad for all of the people who immigrate here the proper way.

It is not the US responsibility to take care of the rest of the world...

[az110965 252]

Makes me sad for all of the people who immigrate here the proper way.

It is not the US responsibility to take care of the rest of the world...

Why does this make you sad for people who immigrated here legally? Their children will never have to worry about their parents being arrested or deported for entering the correct way. I feel GOOD for immigrants who went through the process legally. They have been screened and odds are much better that they will be productive members of our soceity.

[JimVaPhuong 4,863]

Why does this make you sad for people who immigrated here legally? Their children will never have to worry about their parents being arrested or deported for entering the correct way. I feel GOOD for immigrants who went through the process legally. They have been screened and odds are much better that they will be productive members of our soceity.

I think it's because the media bends over backwards to try to make us feel sorry for the ones who didn't immigrate here legally. I don't doubt it's difficult and expensive to pay a coyote to walk you across the US border, but I think it's far more difficult, time consuming, and expensive to immigrate legally. I don't see the media asking us to feel sorry for them.

I think it's sad because legal immigrants deserve a little sympathy for what they go through in order to immigrate. Illegal immigrants deserve nothing, and it's disgusting for the media to try to make it appear as if they are the victims of a cruel government. I completely understand the motives for someone to walk across the border and live illegally in the US. If I were a peasant in Mexico then I'd probably strongly consider doing the same thing. However, I would know the risk I was taking when I did it, and I wouldn't be crying on television trying to pull on the heart strings of idealistic liberals after I got caught.

[az110965 252]

I think it's because the media bends over backwards to try to make us feel sorry for the ones who didn't immigrate here legally. I don't doubt it's difficult and expensive to pay a coyote to walk you across the US border, but I think it's far more difficult, time consuming, and expensive to immigrate legally. I don't see the media asking us to feel sorry for them.

I think it's sad because legal immigrants deserve a little sympathy for what they go through in order to immigrate. Illegal immigrants deserve nothing, and it's disgusting for the media to try to make it appear as if they are the victims of a cruel government. I completely understand the motives for someone to walk across the border and live illegally in the US. If I were a peasant in Mexico then I'd probably strongly consider doing the same thing. However, I would know the risk I was taking when I did it, and I wouldn't be crying on television trying to pull on the heart strings of idealistic liberals after I got caught.

The media will always be slanted to the liberal agenda, and I have accepted this - so when I watch the news (which is seldom) I take what is reported with a grain of salt.

I still feel better for those who endured the process, did things legally and can live their lives without fear of always looking over their shoulders.

My soon to be wife is waiting (impatiently, but waiting, nevertheless). When she arrives we will marry, adjust her status, and hopefully live happilly ever after. We're not sure yet if we're going to have children, but if we DO - our children won't ever have to worry about their mother being deported for being here illegally.

I understand the want and desire for a better life. I can see the appeal that these people have to just walk across the border and take their chances, but the main reason for that appeal is that illegals know the worst that can happen is catch and release. Make it MUCH worse and see how many attempt it.