Denied for a Second Time

[Salima 0]

My husband and I have been petitioning for him to come to the USA since 2008. We were married in Morocco and this has been a nightmare journey. He was approved by the USA but denied by the consulate in December 2008. Our file was sent back to the State Department for further review. I submitted all the required documents that were requested and he was approved again this year.

Today he had a visa appointment at the consulate in Casablanca again. He took all the documents requested by them and they denied him again. The interviewer says again we don't have a common language, even though we submitted to US Immigration 2 years of phone records, chats, and other documentation. Part of the documentation taken to the interview was the same thing because that is what they requested.

I don't know if it is because I am older than him, but they will not give him the visa. I don't know what else to do. If someone can give some suggestions it would be greatly appreciated.

[aishahossam 1]

well ive seen cases where age does make a difference but ive seen more people get the visa with a big age difference but i dont think this is the case, i think its just morocco being jerks, i use to live in khemessette close to rabat and thats a whole different world, anyways, my advice at this point is to consulate a attourney cause this is crazy, phone records, chat logs for 2 years and they say language is the problem? i would see a attourney, just my opinion here, good luck!

well ive seen cases where age does make a difference but ive seen more people get the visa with a big age difference but i dont think this is the case, i think its just morocco being jerks, i use to live in khemessette close to rabat and thats a whole different world, anyways, my advice at this point is to consulate a attourney cause this is crazy, phone records, chat logs for 2 years and they say language is the problem? i would see a attourney, just my opinion here, good luck!

well ive seen cases where age does make a difference but ive seen more people get the visa with a big age difference but i dont think this is the case, i think its just morocco being jerks, i use to live in khemessette close to rabat and thats a whole different world, anyways, my advice at this point is to consulate a attourney cause this is crazy, phone records, chat logs for 2 years and they say language is the problem? i would see a attourney, just my opinion here, good luck!

[Salima 0]

Thank you for the encouragement. I will talk to an attorney here in the USA, but I think my husband needs to find an attorney there too. I am so happy I found this site where I can talk to people who understand what we are going through. Thank you again for responding to my post. My heart is broken right now and I feel as thought the world has crashed in our us. But I will keep your words.

well ive seen cases where age does make a difference but ive seen more people get the visa with a big age difference but i dont think this is the case, i think its just morocco being jerks, i use to live in khemessette close to rabat and thats a whole different world, anyways, my advice at this point is to consulate a attourney cause this is crazy, phone records, chat logs for 2 years and they say language is the problem? i would see a attourney, just my opinion here, good luck!

well ive seen cases where age does make a difference but ive seen more people get the visa with a big age difference but i dont think this is the case, i think its just morocco being jerks, i use to live in khemessette close to rabat and thats a whole different world, anyways, my advice at this point is to consulate a attourney cause this is crazy, phone records, chat logs for 2 years and they say language is the problem? i would see a attourney, just my opinion here, good luck!

well ive seen cases where age does make a difference but ive seen more people get the visa with a big age difference but i dont think this is the case, i think its just morocco being jerks, i use to live in khemessette close to rabat and thats a whole different world, anyways, my advice at this point is to consulate a attourney cause this is crazy, phone records, chat logs for 2 years and they say language is the problem? i would see a attourney, just my opinion here, good luck!

[pushbrk 12,237]

My husband and I have been petitioning for him to come to the USA since 2008. We were married in Morocco and this has been a nightmare journey. He was approved by the USA but denied by the consulate in December 2008. Our file was sent back to the State Department for further review. I submitted all the required documents that were requested and he was approved again this year.

Today he had a visa appointment at the consulate in Casablanca again. He took all the documents requested by them and they denied him again. The interviewer says again we don't have a common language, even though we submitted to US Immigration 2 years of phone records, chats, and other documentation. Part of the documentation taken to the interview was the same thing because that is what they requested.

I don't know if it is because I am older than him, but they will not give him the visa. I don't know what else to do. If someone can give some suggestions it would be greatly appreciated.

Consular officers are trained to consider the totality of the circumstances. Without knowing those, we would be foolish to speculate on their reasons for reaching this conclusion twice. A large reverse age difference coming from that region is a huge red flag though and needs a lot of TLC to achieve success. Obtaining a spouse visa is far more involved than simply providing all the requested documents.

[Otto 83]

Was the official reason for the denial (this time) 'no common language'? If not, what was the official reason given?

Edited November 10, 2009 by Otto und Karin

[Penguin_ie 5,986]

As PP said, to help more, it would be good to know what the exact reason of denial was as per the denial paper you/ your husband should have been given. If you can include the reason for the first denial, that might be good too. Do you know why the CO said "no common language"? Ie are you using translating software, or a friend/ relative to translate? Also, how many times have you met in person? were you at the second interview?

[SuperDuper! 230]

We hope that you can go to the interview next time with hubby, and chat the CO's freakin' ear off together! Hang in there!

[Salima 0]

I will have a copy of the letter tomorrow when he faxes it to me. But he said they told him his language was not good. I will have a better answer tomorrow.

Was the official reason for the denial (this time) 'no common language'? If not, what was the official reason given?

[Salima 0]

The first time he was denied they said we did not share a common language. I submitted phone records from far back as 2007 and more than 97 pages of online chatting for us. The consulate said my husband did not know when I had my first divorce. I show documents that prove he knew everything. We do not use a translator of any kind, no friend, only he and I . He speaks arabic and french and for me english. His english is not perfect but we have no trouble. As a matter of fact his english is good. I have been to his country twice and was not present for the second interview.

As PP said, to help more, it would be good to know what the exact reason of denial was as per the denial paper you/ your husband should have been given. If you can include the reason for the first denial, that might be good too. Do you know why the CO said "no common language"? Ie are you using translating software, or a friend/ relative to translate? Also, how many times have you met in person? were you at the second interview?

[Minya's wife 24]

The first time he was denied they said we did not share a common language. I submitted phone records from far back as 2007 and more than 97 pages of online chatting for us. The consulate said my husband did not know when I had my first divorce. I show documents that prove he knew everything. We do not use a translator of any kind, no friend, only he and I . He speaks arabic and french and for me english. His english is not perfect but we have no trouble. As a matter of fact his english is good. I have been to his country twice and was not present for the second interview.

Its not a matter of proving with documents...the consular official who interviewed you felt that your husband did not know the date of your divorce...it could have been that your husband hesitated when he answered, or was off in the dates.

Given that you had a first denial, it would have really been beneficial if you had attended the second interview. That is a very effective way to prove bona-fides of a relationship.

When was your husband's second interview? Have you contacted your senator/congressman? Maybe they can be of assistance.

Edited November 10, 2009 by Minya's wife

[Justine+David 218]

No advice to add, but that I hope you two are able to get through this [f]

I'm so sorry for the "grr" factor of immigration that you've been going through.

[fbibob 0]

Never underestimate the power of calling your congressman. My I-485 was held up for a year after our marriage. I called on my congressman and we had our green card interview scheduled in 5 days.

[adiiann 163]

My husband and I have been petitioning for him to come to the USA since 2008. We were married in Morocco and this has been a nightmare journey. He was approved by the USA but denied by the consulate in December 2008. Our file was sent back to the State Department for further review. I submitted all the required documents that were requested and he was approved again this year.

Today he had a visa appointment at the consulate in Casablanca again. He took all the documents requested by them and they denied him again. The interviewer says again we don't have a common language, even though we submitted to US Immigration 2 years of phone records, chats, and other documentation. Part of the documentation taken to the interview was the same thing because that is what they requested.

I don't know if it is because I am older than him, but they will not give him the visa. I don't know what else to do. If someone can give some suggestions it would be greatly appreciated.

It might help if you were there during his interview. Aside from moral support, you could establish your relationship by being there to support him.

[CA dreamer 3]

main factor is age difference,cos i saw cases in cairo lasted for more than 2 years they call it ap or ar sometimes although we all know what ap or ar mean.

second is common langiage and the consular got the right to deny it if he judged that your partner lack the language of communication i mean if he barely say an english sentence,so they will never tell you age difference.

[CA dreamer 3]

The first time he was denied they said we did not share a common language. I submitted phone records from far back as 2007 and more than 97 pages of online chatting for us. The consulate said my husband did not know when I had my first divorce. I show documents that prove he knew everything. We do not use a translator of any kind, no friend, only he and I . He speaks arabic and french and for me english. His english is not perfect but we have no trouble. As a matter of fact his english is good. I have been to his country twice and was not present for the second interview.

As PP said, to help more, it would be good to know what the exact reason of denial was as per the denial paper you/ your husband should have been given. If you can include the reason for the first denial, that might be good too. Do you know why the CO said "no common language"? Ie are you using translating software, or a friend/ relative to translate? Also, how many times have you met in person? were you at the second interview?

paperwork is easy but the matter is an interactive behavior,how a husband doesnt know the date of divorce of his wife? or how come he didnt understand the question if u showed evidence of calls,chat logs for 2 years?listen your second interview was still based on the ground of the first one recorded at their database,and the usem staff's opinion never overturned at this case.i think you should get an atty soon and inshallah i hope god makes it easier for everyone