I need help.. plz

[krystle 0]

Hi all,

I want to start the k-1 process for my fiance but i need some answers first. Well first off, we have met face to face, but we dont even have ONE single picture together. I do have evidence of an on going relationship, but I don't have much evidence of a face to face meeting. I have pictures i have taken of him that were taken from my mobile (dont think that is much proof) I have atleast 10 witnesses that know we have met. I am close with his brother and I do have some proof that I know him, and could get more proof if needed. His brother owns a store, and my fiance and I actually met there. There is a security camera system at the store but I'm pretty sure it deletes old futage after 1 month, and I would need it to go back atleast 7 months for me to retrieve any footage of me and my fiance together. I'm not sure if this is possible. Are there any other ways I could show that we have met? The plan is to do it without me having to go visit there (i work and go to school full time so i dont have time to go there-lebanon).. but if i have to, i will.

Another thing that could be a problem.. he has done k-1 visa before, came the the usa, and things didnt work out with the ex fiance, so he did leave back to lebanon. he also does have a letter of good conduct from the usa. I'm wondering if I do need actual picture proof, is it possible for him to get a b2 tourist visa to visit me before starting the k1 process? We are unsure if they will think he is trying to stay here permanently if he trys a b2 visa, with them knowing he has came on a k1 before. Does this matter?? He has strong ties in his country, and he does have enough money to support himself, if not, there is always his brother who can sponsor him (he owns his own store).

I'm thinking of a scenario. If a person comes on a k1 visa, and decides after the 90 days that its too soon to marry and abandons the visa. Would it be impossible to still visit with the fiance on a b2 visa?? -- Not my story exactly-- but the point i'm trying to make is if the k1 is abandoned can you still come back on a b2?

My fiance is worried about even attempting a b2 after already have had a k1. I told him its worth a try. Now i would like your input. Plz. I'm sorry if the story is confusing.. if anybody needs clarification plz ask me.

The main questions i'd like answered are

1) No pictures for k1 visa... what can i do?? And does anybody know if old video camera footage can be retrieved after a long time and has already been written over?

2) Can he come on a b2 visa after already had a k1?

Plz and thanks so much.

[Wis-Can 0]

You can use your boarding passes for airlines and your passport will be stamped as well to show you were there. You mentioned pictures on your cellphone, download them and get them developed. Good luck with your journey.

[krystle 0]

You can use your boarding passes for airlines and your passport will be stamped as well to show you were there. You mentioned pictures on your cellphone, download them and get them developed. Good luck with your journey.

I have not visited him there. But he has been here before. He does have proof that he was here, passport stamps, michigan state ID, letter of good conduct...

And the pictures i do have from my cell phone are just him alone, I am not in the pics with him.

I'm still really unsure about this.

Thanks for the help.

[JimVaPhuong 4,865]

1) No pictures for k1 visa... what can i do?? And does anybody know if old video camera footage can be retrieved after a long time and has already been written over?

Things like airline boarding passes and stamped visas in your passport are good primary evidence, but they aren't enough. They only show you've been to your fiance's country. Pictures aren't the only kind of evidence to show you've physically met, but they do help a lot. Other kinds of evidence that might work in lieu of photos is any kind of document that has both of your names on it, such as a hotel receipt. You and your fiance need to dig through everything you've got and try to come up with something that is compelling. Put yourself in the position of a USCIS adjudicator - what would convince YOU? Remember that USCIS adjudicators see fake evidence all the time, so your evidence should be pretty persuasive.

Video generally cannot be recovered once it's recorded over, and security camera video is almost never clear enough to use as this sort of evidence. You'd also have to get a hardcopy print from the video because USCIS doesn't accept any electronic media. I don't think the security camera video is going to be a viable option for you.

EDIT: As I'm writing this, I saw your other post that you haven't been to his country. No prob! His boarding passes, visa stamps, letter of good conduct, and ID card are all good primary evidence. Now you just need secondary evidence to prove you actually met while he was here.

2) Can he come on a b2 visa after already had a k1?

If he didn't overstay his K1, and surrendered his I-94 on departure, and can demonstrate strong ties to his country, then his chances are as good as anyone elses. His brother "sponsoring" him, as you suggested, is pointless. He has to demonstrate that NOT returning at the end of his visit would be a major problem for him. Having a good job, owning property, having responsibilities he can't easily walk away from, etc.

[tulum 0]

1) No pictures for k1 visa... what can i do?? And does anybody know if old video camera footage can be retrieved after a long time and has already been written over?

Things like airline boarding passes and stamped visas in your passport are good primary evidence, but they aren't enough. They only show you've been to your fiance's country. Pictures aren't the only kind of evidence to show you've physically met, but they do help a lot. Other kinds of evidence that might work in lieu of photos is any kind of document that has both of your names on it, such as a hotel receipt. You and your fiance need to dig through everything you've got and try to come up with something that is compelling. Put yourself in the position of a USCIS adjudicator - what would convince YOU? Remember that USCIS adjudicators see fake evidence all the time, so your evidence should be pretty persuasive.

Video generally cannot be recovered once it's recorded over, and security camera video is almost never clear enough to use as this sort of evidence. You'd also have to get a hardcopy print from the video because USCIS doesn't accept any electronic media. I don't think the security camera video is going to be a viable option for you.

EDIT: As I'm writing this, I saw your other post that you haven't been to his country. No prob! His boarding passes, visa stamps, letter of good conduct, and ID card are all good primary evidence. Now you just need secondary evidence to prove you actually met while he was here.

2) Can he come on a b2 visa after already had a k1?

If he didn't overstay his K1, and surrendered his I-94 on departure, and can demonstrate strong ties to his country, then his chances are as good as anyone elses. His brother "sponsoring" him, as you suggested, is pointless. He has to demonstrate that NOT returning at the end of his visit would be a major problem for him. Having a good job, owning property, having responsibilities he can't easily walk away from, etc.

I agree with what he said [ good input ] you may need to bite the bullet and go visit him- you need photos of you and he together. plain and simple - all the other stuff is good [ boarding passes, passport stamps, hotel bills ] but photos of you two together or you and his family, show more about the relationship. if you read examples of what they look for, you will see that. good luck

[Wis-Can 0]

When we first filed our K-1 we only had copies of our passport stamps, boarding passes, phone card logs, and just two pictures of us. If the only pictures you have on your cellphone are of him you might want to do what longdistancelove suggested and go visit him if at all possible. If you love each other you'll find a way. You need more, I thought the cellphone pictures were of the both of you. GOOD LUCK.

[NCWife 0]

Hi all,

I want to start the k-1 process for my fiance but i need some answers first. Well first off, we have met face to face, but we dont even have ONE single picture together. I do have evidence of an on going relationship, but I don't have much evidence of a face to face meeting. I have pictures i have taken of him that were taken from my mobile (dont think that is much proof) I have atleast 10 witnesses that know we have met. I am close with his brother and I do have some proof that I know him, and could get more proof if needed. His brother owns a store, and my fiance and I actually met there. There is a security camera system at the store but I'm pretty sure it deletes old futage after 1 month, and I would need it to go back atleast 7 months for me to retrieve any footage of me and my fiance together. I'm not sure if this is possible. Are there any other ways I could show that we have met? The plan is to do it without me having to go visit there (i work and go to school full time so i dont have time to go there-lebanon).. but if i have to, i will.

Another thing that could be a problem.. he has done k-1 visa before, came the the usa, and things didnt work out with the ex fiance, so he did leave back to lebanon. he also does have a letter of good conduct from the usa. I'm wondering if I do need actual picture proof, is it possible for him to get a b2 tourist visa to visit me before starting the k1 process? We are unsure if they will think he is trying to stay here permanently if he trys a b2 visa, with them knowing he has came on a k1 before. Does this matter?? He has strong ties in his country, and he does have enough money to support himself, if not, there is always his brother who can sponsor him (he owns his own store).

I'm thinking of a scenario. If a person comes on a k1 visa, and decides after the 90 days that its too soon to marry and abandons the visa. Would it be impossible to still visit with the fiance on a b2 visa?? -- Not my story exactly-- but the point i'm trying to make is if the k1 is abandoned can you still come back on a b2?

My fiance is worried about even attempting a b2 after already have had a k1. I told him its worth a try. Now i would like your input. Plz. I'm sorry if the story is confusing.. if anybody needs clarification plz ask me.

The main questions i'd like answered are

1) No pictures for k1 visa... what can i do?? And does anybody know if old video camera footage can be retrieved after a long time and has already been written over?

2) Can he come on a b2 visa after already had a k1?

Plz and thanks so much.

Someone here may be able to answer your questions better than me but these are what I know:

1. If the video footage has been written over, then it's gone. Do you have any other evidence such as plane tickets, emails, chat logs, passport stamps, receipts.... ?

2. Once he gets approved for K-1, his B-2 will be cancelled. My C-1 visa was cancelled with a big stamp CWOP (Cancelled Without Prejudice) after my K-1 was approved.

Cheers...

[Gary and Alla 3,696]

Hi all,

I want to start the k-1 process for my fiance but i need some answers first. Well first off, we have met face to face, but we dont even have ONE single picture together. I do have evidence of an on going relationship, but I don't have much evidence of a face to face meeting. I have pictures i have taken of him that were taken from my mobile (dont think that is much proof) I have atleast 10 witnesses that know we have met. I am close with his brother and I do have some proof that I know him, and could get more proof if needed. His brother owns a store, and my fiance and I actually met there. There is a security camera system at the store but I'm pretty sure it deletes old futage after 1 month, and I would need it to go back atleast 7 months for me to retrieve any footage of me and my fiance together. I'm not sure if this is possible. Are there any other ways I could show that we have met? The plan is to do it without me having to go visit there (i work and go to school full time so i dont have time to go there-lebanon).. but if i have to, i will.

Another thing that could be a problem.. he has done k-1 visa before, came the the usa, and things didnt work out with the ex fiance, so he did leave back to lebanon. he also does have a letter of good conduct from the usa. I'm wondering if I do need actual picture proof, is it possible for him to get a b2 tourist visa to visit me before starting the k1 process? We are unsure if they will think he is trying to stay here permanently if he trys a b2 visa, with them knowing he has came on a k1 before. Does this matter?? He has strong ties in his country, and he does have enough money to support himself, if not, there is always his brother who can sponsor him (he owns his own store).

I'm thinking of a scenario. If a person comes on a k1 visa, and decides after the 90 days that its too soon to marry and abandons the visa. Would it be impossible to still visit with the fiance on a b2 visa?? -- Not my story exactly-- but the point i'm trying to make is if the k1 is abandoned can you still come back on a b2?

My fiance is worried about even attempting a b2 after already have had a k1. I told him its worth a try. Now i would like your input. Plz. I'm sorry if the story is confusing.. if anybody needs clarification plz ask me.

The main questions i'd like answered are

1) No pictures for k1 visa... what can i do?? And does anybody know if old video camera footage can be retrieved after a long time and has already been written over?

2) Can he come on a b2 visa after already had a k1?

Plz and thanks so much.

For the petition you need to provide plausible primary and secondary evidence of meeting in person PRIOR to filing the petition. Primary evidence is travel documents such as passport stamps and boarding passes. Travel itineraries are NOT primary evidence, they are NOT proof pf travel (in case you wondered)

I believe if you submit a petition without photos taken before you filed the petition, you will get an RFE, particularly for a case from Lebanon. You do not have them and cannot produce what you do not have. I doubt the security camera footage would be acceptable unless it was very clear and you could reproduce "stills" from it. They are not going to watch your video. Electronic media is not accepted.

The fact he was here before on a K-1 will not affect the petition, provided he had no overstays, etc. It may generate some questions at the interview.

B2 visas are separate and independent of K-1s. He would have to apply and receive one. If he has one, yes he can visit. He can also be turned away at the POE if they fear a risk of illegal immigration. Bring plenty of evidence he will return

[Gary and Alla 3,696]

You can use your boarding passes for airlines and your passport will be stamped as well to show you were there. You mentioned pictures on your cellphone, download them and get them developed. Good luck with your journey.

I have not visited him there. But he has been here before. He does have proof that he was here, passport stamps, michigan state ID, letter of good conduct...

And the pictures i do have from my cell phone are just him alone, I am not in the pics with him.

I'm still really unsure about this.

Thanks for the help.

Double post, I answered the other one. You need the "$1500 photo" No need to be "unsure". You need photos to go with your other primary evidence of his travel, the fact he has been to Michigan does not prove he has met you.

[krystle 0]

Thanks for the responses so far.

I had a feeling I would have to go there or he would have to come visit me.

Should he try a b2??

[Anh map 2,098]

You met here in the US? Was this during his previous K1 90 day period?

[Kathryn41 3,207]

Duplicate threads merged so all information is in one location and duplicated post removed.

Edited June 4, 2009 by Kathryn41

[JimVaPhuong 4,865]

1. If the video footage has been written over, then it's gone. Do you have any other evidence such as plane tickets, emails, chat logs, passport stamps, receipts.... ?

Just to be clear, emails and chat logs are ok if you're "frontloading" your petition with proof of an ongoing relationship (not a bad idea if you're dealing with a consulate in a high fraud country), but they are useless as evidence for question 18 on the I-129F. They don't in any way prove that the two have met in person. If anything, they prove that the two were separated from each other at the time.

Photographs are good secondary evidence. Third party documents with both persons names are also good. For instance, take a short trip together (make sure the carrier prints the passenger's name on the ticket or boarding pass). Book a hotel room together (make sure the hotel puts both parties names in the register and on the receipt). If it's a social taboo to room together, then book two rooms. If you have any documents that need to have certified or notarized signatures from both parties, get the documents certified or notarized at the same time and place. US Citizens Services at the US consulate will usually notarize the signature on any document, provided the document is intended to be sent to the US government. My fiance and I got our letters of intent notarized at the consulate - not necessary, but the consulate was happy to do it, and it's rock solid evidence for question 18. It also gave my fiance an opportunity to see the inside of the consulate where she'll be going for her interview.

[msu17 0]

He can try a B2. It wont harm the K1 petition if he's denied, just costs the $$ for filing.

[krystle 0]

You met here in the US? Was this during his previous K1 90 day period?

Yes it was. Confusing and long story but yes.