What do gays do?

[terri o'neale 0]

I was walking past the gay bookstore today and a thought hit me...What if I had been gay? I mean if I'm gay...I can't get married. So I can't apply for any of these visas...So my truelove and I could never be together. After all I am going through...I think that is the best argument I have ever heard for gay marriage. What do ya'll think? How would you feel? Had you ever thought about it?

[moondancer627 0]

Well I have heard stories of Gay men marrying a hetrosexual woman for the Green Card.

I guess it could be pulled off , I have lots of gay guy friends... I have been unfortunately attracted too and very disappointed to know that they were gay.

I also have a couple of Lesbian friends, so maybe they could do the same with a guy.

Actually most of the people I know where once married and then realized after they were homosexual, so maybe that just makes them bisexual...

It's all so confusing

moondancer

[iceyspots 0]

I could so see a lot of green card fraud coming out of it, whether we allow it or not..

They could always marry in their country, or a 3rd country, and apply to go to canada

[MichelleandCraig 1]

We had a thread about this a week or two ago... (not saying you shouldnt have this one!! Just thought you might search for it and get some more opinions... ) I'm not sure where I stand on it... because of my religious beliefs(although I don't go to church or anything right now) I don't believe in homosexuality(and that's a choice..no flamers please! ) but the other part of me definitely feels for them. If that is THEIR lifestyle choice and they fall in love with someone from here, I really feel for them... M.

[mikeize 0]

Yeah, this really sucks. Unfortunately this country hasn't sufficiently evolved in the compassion/common sense/humanist departments to allow people to simply live their own peaceful loving lives. On the bright side, there are other countries in this world that do. Not that it does much good if you want/need to live here, but we have a friend that lives in Wales on a "Partner visa".

I've heard people make the lame argument that it would increase fraud, and honestly it would... but not proportionally!!! I think that these people just doubt the sincerity of any homosexual relationship. Of course their petitions would be scrutinized just as closely by CIS (actually moreso due to personal homophobic attitudes bound to exist in certain officers).

Does this country really need fewer loving marriages? Oh wait, the sanctity of div- er marriage must be protected! chopf*cks

-mike

[Fandango 1,440]

Yeah, this really sucks. Unfortunately this country hasn't sufficiently evolved in the compassion/common sense/humanist departments to allow people to simply live their own peaceful loving lives.

-mike

what a concept that is!

Terrie here ya go

[katheleen 0]

I was scanning through this forum, having never posted here and saw the title. I steeled myself for a homophobic discourse, just to be honest, as I have found the recent anti immigrant discussions painful...for me, with all respect,there has been a lack of attention inthe discourse paid to issues of individuals who have been perse cuted, risked death and torture and due to our governments particular allegiances and recognitions have been denied aslum, refugee status, or immigration status of an kind. For myself, the protests take a broader focus... immigration reform is needed on all levels.

Our immigration rules and policies are not family friendly and deserve reform. We are all experiencing the challenges of seperation. Similarly, our govenment is not without blame in policies that have contributed to the marginalization and exclusion of many" worthy immigrants"....let us not forget the millions who perished in the Holacaust waiting visas and from here onward,realisically legions... perhaps I am a bit sensitive to this for personal reasons. Similar situations continue to exist today...from sudanese refugees to homosexual aslum seekers. Immigation reform is needed on a large scale, our policies are antiquated and sometimes based on challenging politics

to be gay in our country is to inhabit a true second class, devoid of the option of partner benefits,immigration options, and generally adoption( excepSF and some other areas)...I believe that we are born into our sexuality...How terrible to have no rights to bring our same sex partner o live wih us, simply because of bias. It is terrible to be in such a marginalized situation without the option of reuniting with a partner fron overseas. I am grateful to have been born into a situation of privildge, that of being heterosexual. We are engaed in a grave injusice

sorry for the ramble, not as focused as the night goes on

Please do not engage me in a diatribe, I respect all standpoints and am inviting no debate... just felt compelled to post not want to provoke, just to state

peaceful night to all

katheleen

[nitedreamer 0]

My sister met another woman while studying abroad. They can't live here, so they live in England, where they met. They looked into moving to Canada for a while, but 6 years later, they are still in the UK.

When people talk about gay marriage, they rarely think of immigration rights.

Hopefully one day the US will be enlightened enough to join other countries that recognize same sex relationships!

[aussiewench 9]

I was scanning through this forum, having never posted here and saw the title. I steeled myself for a homophobic discourse, just to be honest, as I have found the recent anti immigrant discussions painful...for me, with all respect,there has been a lack of attention inthe discourse paid to issues of individuals who have been perse cuted, risked death and torture and due to our governments particular allegiances and recognitions have been denied aslum, refugee status, or immigration status of an kind. For myself, the protests take a broader focus... immigration reform is needed on all levels.

Our immigration rules and policies are not family friendly and deserve reform. We are all experiencing the challenges of seperation. Similarly, our govenment is not without blame in policies that have contributed to the marginalization and exclusion of many" worthy immigrants"....let us not forget the millions who perished in the Holacaust waiting visas and from here onward,realisically legions... perhaps I am a bit sensitive to this for personal reasons. Similar situations continue to exist today...from sudanese refugees to homosexual aslum seekers. Immigation reform is needed on a large scale, our policies are antiquated and sometimes based on challenging politics

to be gay in our country is to inhabit a true second class, devoid of the option of partner benefits,immigration options, and generally adoption( excepSF and some other areas)...I believe that we are born into our sexuality...How terrible to have no rights to bring our same sex partner o live wih us, simply because of bias. It is terrible to be in such a marginalized situation without the option of reuniting with a partner fron overseas. I am grateful to have been born into a situation of privildge, that of being heterosexual. We are engaed in a grave injusice

sorry for the ramble, not as focused as the night goes on

Please do not engage me in a diatribe, I respect all standpoints and am inviting no debate... just felt compelled to post not want to provoke, just to state

peaceful night to all

katheleen

[terri o'neale 0]

Yeah, this really sucks. Unfortunately this country hasn't sufficiently evolved in the compassion/common sense/humanist departments to allow people to simply live their own peaceful loving lives. On the bright side, there are other countries in this world that do. Not that it does much good if you want/need to live here, but we have a friend that lives in Wales on a "Partner visa".

I've heard people make the lame argument that it would increase fraud, and honestly it would... but not proportionally!!! I think that these people just doubt the sincerity of any homosexual relationship. Of course their petitions would be scrutinized just as closely by CIS (actually moreso due to personal homophobic attitudes bound to exist in certain officers).

Does this country really need fewer loving marriages? Oh wait, the sanctity of div- er marriage must be protected! chopf*cks

-mike

Are Partner Visas available to everyone or just homosexuals? The reason I ask is honestly I wouldn't have actually gotten married had we that option. Before anyone jumps me...I spent 14 years with a piece of paper that meant nothing. Whereas I was truly 'married' to Paul way before February 15. And we probably put it off that long just because neither of us really believes in it...but it was the only way our government would let us be together.

[snz1802 0]

I really feel sad for them, they cannot do what we are allowed to do

[rclouse 0]

Maybe....

[Nessa 23]

If i were gay i'd hope i could find the love of my life in brazil not in another country, so it wouldn't be a problem.

[CarolineM 0]

why is America the only country these persecuted people can find asylum? Why do we OWE them asylum??

[Fischkoepfin 1]

I was scanning through this forum, having never posted here and saw the title. I steeled myself for a homophobic discourse, just to be honest, as I have found the recent anti immigrant discussions painful...for me, with all respect,there has been a lack of attention inthe discourse paid to issues of individuals who have been perse cuted, risked death and torture and due to our governments particular allegiances and recognitions have been denied aslum, refugee status, or immigration status of an kind. For myself, the protests take a broader focus... immigration reform is needed on all levels.

Our immigration rules and policies are not family friendly and deserve reform. We are all experiencing the challenges of seperation. Similarly, our govenment is not without blame in policies that have contributed to the marginalization and exclusion of many" worthy immigrants"....let us not forget the millions who perished in the Holacaust waiting visas and from here onward,realisically legions... perhaps I am a bit sensitive to this for personal reasons. Similar situations continue to exist today...from sudanese refugees to homosexual aslum seekers. Immigation reform is needed on a large scale, our policies are antiquated and sometimes based on challenging politics

to be gay in our country is to inhabit a true second class, devoid of the option of partner benefits,immigration options, and generally adoption( excepSF and some other areas)...I believe that we are born into our sexuality...How terrible to have no rights to bring our same sex partner o live wih us, simply because of bias. It is terrible to be in such a marginalized situation without the option of reuniting with a partner fron overseas. I am grateful to have been born into a situation of privildge, that of being heterosexual. We are engaed in a grave injusice

sorry for the ramble, not as focused as the night goes on

Please do not engage me in a diatribe, I respect all standpoints and am inviting no debate... just felt compelled to post not want to provoke, just to state

peaceful night to all

katheleen