PHOTO's RFE

[Tiksman 0]

I wrote on the back of mine no rfe here

[Cristy 4]

Ours had no dates and some were actually photo paper copies done at Staples.

[skemper19 0]

WOW!!!! Freak me out even more!! i didn't put a date stamp on mine, but wrote on the back! That's what I understood they wanted, YIKES!!! I hope this doesn't put a hold on the process! I sent 7 photos, passport stamps, boarding passes, future ticket receipts, phone bill evidence... I really hope they don't get picky about date stamps...... what happens if they do and I don't have any? I just came back from visiting and didn't do it then either. What do they want you to do if you don't have them? That's ridiculous!!!! Hope no one else has to go through that!!! GOOD LUCK TO ALL ON THAT!!!!!

[woodgc 0]

ITS just wrong for 2 reasons 1. they do not tell us we need to do it that way and more importantly 2. Is there someome in our goverment who makes decisions as to who is safe to allow into our country that actually thinks a dtgital date is more Prima Ficia then printing on the back??? That is really scarey and shows why 9/11 happened people with a really wrong idea of what is and is not reality

[pnd629 0]

that's ridiculous. Not everyone has a digital camera, (me), and if you are including pictures from the past, you weren't necessarily thinking then ... hey, I'd better put dates on these when I print them, in case I ever lose my mind enough to go through the K-1 process.

That is just what I was thinking! Some of our photos were taken with my old camera which printed the date. Our more recent photos were taken with my new digital camera--but I hadn't read the booklet when the pictures were taken, so the date didn't get printed on the photos. Besides, like you said, at the time we were not thinking about requirements for K-1.

[Himaya Ko 0]

that's ridiculous. Not everyone has a digital camera, (me), and if you are including pictures from the past, you weren't necessarily thinking then ... hey, I'd better put dates on these when I print them, in case I ever lose my mind enough to go through the K-1 process.

That is just what I was thinking! Some of our photos were taken with my old camera which printed the date. Our more recent photos were taken with my new digital camera--but I hadn't read the booklet when the pictures were taken, so the date didn't get printed on the photos. Besides, like you said, at the time we were not thinking about requirements for K-1.

Our photos were taken on a very old 35mm camera. By the time I got back from my visit to see my Fiancee, I had no clue on what date did I take this picture on or that picture on. #######, I should've logged everyday I was there in some sort of jounal.

[Robin28 2]

Yikes !! Our pictures only have the dates i wrote on them .. really ! These days digital camera or not by the time they go from computer to disk .. to an actual picture ( walmart do it yourself machine ) the date is long gone. I hope it's not an issue BUT we sent plently of other proof .. so we should be just fine ! even if they don't like the dates on the pictures ( i hope ) wait wait wait .. or as my Fiance says ok lets Hurry up and wait some more .. hehehe

Robin ~

[iceyspots 0]

well that's just #######

[GaryC 7]

Hmmmm.... I didn't have dates or anything on our pictures. Just submitted about 15 pics with no explanation at all. I did have a bunch of other evidence, passport stamps and ticket stubs from 5 trips. I hope this doesn't get me a RFE. None of the pics we have are dated.

One of the pics that I sent is of us sitting in front of a Christmas tree. That pretty much dates that one unless they think we set one up just to stage it.

Edited April 29, 2006 by GaryC

[yogib37 3]

sounds like the Retards in the INS or what ever the flavor of the week is to call them, OVER Dose on some strong STUIPD PILLS....

well what if the camera mess up and put a date on it from the early 1900's would they be denied? I bet

I think we should give them a BILL Evngal STUIPD SIGN to the INS for this one

yogi

Edited April 29, 2006 by yogib37

[Meriem_DZ 37]

I wrote our names, the date, city and country on the back with a permanent marker. I could not even remember exact days so i just wrote the month and year. Someone at the service center must have been having a bad day. Sorry for your RFE.

Meriem

[kaydee457 13]

Let's not all get freaked out by this people. Firstly, there have been many people approved without any photos at all!

Secondly, whenever you call these service centers you are more than likely talking to someone that has little or no idea what they're talking about. If they did they wouldn't be answering the phones!

My take on the OP in this thread is that he submitted a petition that had weak primary evidence and was subsequently RFE'd for better evidence, or supplemetary evidence to support what he has already sent in. Apparently someone wasn't convinced.

Here's something that I wrote awhile back but still applies now. Knowledge is power!

Just remember that if you have very strong primary documentary evidence photos are unecessary, and not everyone has one to submit anyway.......

I have found an inordinate number of RFE's that were issued due to the fact that the Petitioner submitted evidence that was:

1) wholly reliant on photo evidence, or

2) had submitted photos to supplement soft documentary primary evidence and were RFE'd to either supply digitally dated photos or supply more primary evidence

Photos are secondary evidence and can be faked. The USCIS knows this. Documetary proof (primary evidence)is the prefferred form of evidence over secondary evidence such as photos in adjudicating a case and is defined as such in USCIS adjudicators field manual.

Primary evidence:

-Exit/entry visa stamps, airline ticket boarding passes, hotel receipts, CC statements with charges in the place/country in question, joint leases, apartment reciepts, utility bills, are irrifutable as primary evidence.

Secondary evidence:

-Photos may be used to supplement weak primary evidence but are completely uneccessary if the primary evidence can stand alone on its own merits.

What I have concluded from my searches is this:

-Those that supplied no photos and had adequate primary proof were approved.

-Those that supplied photos only, or varying amounts of photos in conjunction with other secondary documention recieved an RFE.

In all my searches of this forum never did I find a thread whereby the Petitioner was RFE's for an absense of photos.

I know of at least 4 users, only 1 of which I can still identify, that submitted no photos and were subsequently approved.

I will provide some links to threads whereby the Petitioner recieved an RFE because they relied heavily on photo evidence and not on primary documentary proof.

photo evidence inadequate to establish "proof"- good info from lucyrich

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...topic=32285&hl=

denied due to heavy reliance on photo evidence

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...topic=55483&hl=

denied for submitting only photo evidence

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...topic=49539&hl=

moondance627 RFE for relying heavily on photo evidence

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...topic=35980&hl=

another RFE due to photo evidence

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...topic=49539&hl=

Approved with no photo evidence-

Tom92117- approved without submitting any photos

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...topic=27105&hl=

more attestations to approvals without photo submittal- bad advice to OP

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...topic=65012&hl=

Passing out bad advice- Frankly, I'm dismayed at the number of people that insist that a photo is absolutely necessary. It is clearly not.

more bad advice from VJ'ers

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...topic=58121&hl=

and again

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...topic=41467&hl=

People that submitted photos with no dates on them at all and were approved-

undated photos that resulted in approval- good info from lucyrich

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...topic=67410&hl=

and again

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...topic=22957&hl=

And finally- who knows what's up with this guy?

RFE for digitally dated photos- could be the documentary proof is weak and the photos submitted are also in question

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...topic=65405&hl=

again

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...topic=64682&hl=

[jkb919 0]

WOW I just took a piece of heavy duty paper and taped the pictures under each other, layered them and made kinda like a flip chart, typed the dates, location and people in the pictures on a small piece of paper and taped it to the botton of each picture to make tabs, so they could just flip through the pictures. (does that mack since?)

We got approved no problems and no date stamp on the pictures.

[Larry and Maria 0]

Our pics didn't have digital dates on them either.

What was the resolution for the lack of digital dates?

Are they saying we have to physically go to the country of our finace(e) and retake pictures?

We were forwarded from TSC to CSC with a NOA1 date of March 7 2006.

Can you share with us at least what your NOA1 date is?

We'd like to know if you were before us or after us; I assume you were before March 7 2006.

Thanks for helping us understand what's going on with your case.

I submitted copies of boarding passes, passport pages with stamps, visa therein, registration in Moscow, along with pics (names, place, date on back), copies of emails, other evidences of ongoing relationship and meeting.

It is possible the USCIS, based on many unsavory things that are in the Government's eye, has implemented very recently guidelines to RFE if EVERYTHING is not exactly like they want it?

And there is not precise "how to" so how do those of us having NOA1s get this resolved?

Larry

[ezra 0]

As a newbie, I have already noticed inconsistencies with USCIS with other items. The first time I called I asked whether anything needed to be notarized (before posting here)... and they transfered me to a supervisor who said that I needed the letters of intent to marry notraized. I then posted something here and everyone said I don't need it notarized... I called USCIS one more time and they said I do not need anything notraizd (even after mentioning that I spoke to a supervisor the first time).

Perhaps some representatives error on the side of telling everyone they need more than required if they don't know and if a question is asked a certain way. Anyhow, it seems like the advise is not to worry about it... which sounds good to me as I already printed my photos and did not have a date on them :-)