US Citizen losing Citizenship...

[Lia792 5]

Hi Karima,

Don't listen to them.

Check out DCF - it is for people who get married when they are residents or have visas in a foreign country and have gotten married.

The K-3 visa/ IR-1/ CR-1 are for people who are already married and most were married overseas. That is a huge part of this site. All those people obviously did not lose their citizenships. As the other posters say, you lose your citizenship when you give it up.

Read this for more info: http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_778.html

It does say you can lose it by being naturalized into a foreign country. But usually being a Permanent Resident is not the same as citizenship, so I wouldn't worry.

If you are going to live abroad, you can register with the Department of State and then if anything happens in the country where you are staying, they send you emails and stuff and obviously try and help you if anything happens to you.

[KarimaG 2]

Don't freak out u will be just fine! and again you will not lose your citizenship by marrying a foreiner or staying abroad for a along time. My cousin stayed abroad for almost 10 yrs and he came to the state's without any problem; he is a born American citizen. hope that make's u feel better.

Yes that does make me feel better! But what will realllllllly make me feel better is if he got approved on Monday and wont have to worry about any of this at all! lol Know why they call it a visa journey... wowoww isnt it a long journey! It kind of feel like going on a trip and being stuck on the car for 20 hours and driving through sleet, rain and snow.. then finally getting able to get home to the warm bed! Just waiting for it to be over and get to that warm bed! Speaking of... Im off to bed!!!!!!! Catch u guys tomorrow! Thanks again!

[rmncm 0]

Just go to the US embassy in any country and renounce your US citizenship, it's that easy. At some point I know I am going to do this as this country is starting to really suck....We should start calling it the United States of Mexico!!!

In all seriousness, Just don't get cought bearing arms against the US or renouncing and you'll be fine.

[KarimaG 2]

Hi Karima,

Don't listen to them.

Check out DCF - it is for people who get married when they are residents or have visas in a foreign country and have gotten married.

The K-3 visa/ IR-1/ CR-1 are for people who are already married and most were married overseas. That is a huge part of this site. All those people obviously did not lose their citizenships. As the other posters say, you lose your citizenship when you give it up.

Read this for more info: http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_778.html

It does say you can lose it by being naturalized into a foreign country. But usually being a Permanent Resident is not the same as citizenship, so I wouldn't worry.

If you are going to live abroad, you can register with the Department of State and then if anything happens in the country where you are staying, they send you emails and stuff and obviously try and help you if anything happens to you.

Well I was going to bed. Which part was I not supposed to listen too? This was what I found a few minutes ago...

This is taken from the U.S. Department of State website... http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1753.html

Dual Nationality

The concept of dual nationality means that a person is a citizen of two countries at the same time. Each country has its own citizenship laws based on its own policy.Persons may have dual nationality by automatic operation of different laws rather than by choice. For example, a child born in a foreign country to U.S. citizen parents may be both a U.S. citizen and a citizen of the country of birth.

A U.S. citizen may acquire foreign citizenship by marriage, or a person naturalized as a U.S. citizen may not lose the citizenship of the country of birth.U.S. law does not mention dual nationality or require a person to choose one citizenship or another. Also, a person who is automatically granted another citizenship does not risk losing U.S. citizenship. However, a person who acquires a foreign citizenship by applying for it may lose U.S. citizenship. In order to lose U.S. citizenship, the law requires that the person must apply for the foreign citizenship voluntarily, by free choice, and with the intention to give up U.S. citizenship.

Intent can be shown by the person's statements or conduct.The U.S. Government recognizes that dual nationality exists but does not encourage it as a matter of policy because of the problems it may cause. Claims of other countries on dual national U.S. citizens may conflict with U.S. law, and dual nationality may limit U.S. Government efforts to assist citizens abroad. The country where a dual national is located generally has a stronger claim to that person's allegiance.

However, dual nationals owe allegiance to both the United States and the foreign country. They are required to obey the laws of both countries. Either country has the right to enforce its laws, particularly if the person later travels there.Most U.S. citizens, including dual nationals, must use a U.S. passport to enter and leave the United States. Dual nationals may also be required by the foreign country to use its passport to enter and leave that country. Use of the foreign passport does not endanger U.S. citizenship. Most countries permit a person to renounce or otherwise lose citizenship.

Information on losing foreign citizenship can be obtained from the foreign country's embassy and consulates in the United States. Americans can renounce U.S. citizenship in the proper form at U.S. embassies and consulates abroad.

Also read... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_citizenship

Dual citizenship

A person having a dual nationality does not lose Moroccan nationality

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moroccan_nationality_law

Edited December 3, 2009 by KarimaG

[lucyrich 19]

she said "well Obama lost his citizenship by claiming citizenship in another country...",

Well, only a natural born citizen can be President of the US. If he lost his citizenship, then the Supreme Court Justices couldn't have sworn him in as President. Yes, there are crazy theories about his citizenship, but that's a new one even on me. Regardless of whether there are arguments for it, clearly the US Supreme Court didn't take it seriously enough to fail to swear him in.

Anyway, forget about Obama, what about you? You may want to show your mother INA 357, where it very explicitly addresses your proposed situation:

... no woman who was a national of the United States shall be deemed to have lost her nationality solely by reason of her marriage to an alien on or after September 22, 1922, or to an alien racially ineligible to citizenship on or after March 3, 1931, or, in the case of a woman who was a United States citizen at birth, through residence abroad following such marriage, notwithstanding the provisions of any existing treaty or convention.

http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/men...RCRD&CH=act

Also see INA 349, where it lists the only ways a US Citizen can lose his/her citizenship, and says that citizenship can only be lost by voluntarily performing an expatriating act with the intent of relinquishing nationality.

[wmtc 0]

Don't freak out u will be just fine! and again you will not lose your citizenship by marrying a foreiner or staying abroad for a along time. My cousin stayed abroad for almost 10 yrs and he came to the state's without any problem; he is a born American citizen. hope that make's u feel better.

Yes that does make me feel better! But what will realllllllly make me feel better is if he got approved on Monday and wont have to worry about any of this at all! lol Know why they call it a visa journey... wowoww isnt it a long journey! It kind of feel like going on a trip and being stuck on the car for 20 hours and driving through sleet, rain and snow.. then finally getting able to get home to the warm bed! Just waiting for it to be over and get to that warm bed! Speaking of... Im off to bed!!!!!!! Catch u guys tomorrow! Thanks again!

Hope he get's approved this monday ;we all are praying that he get's his visa ! so all the best to u and your fiance

Edited December 3, 2009 by wmtc

[~PalmTreeGurl~ 154]

Karima, I think your stressing too much. Many of us, myself included married in our spouses country and we do not loose our citizenship. I had a nice time in Egypt and married my husband in Alexandria Egypt back in 2006. And I went back again in 2007, the "thought" of loosing citizenship never crossed my mind. If you choose to go to Morocco, just go and have a nice time with your husband and STOP stressing.

[Darnell 8,478]

Im planning on going to Morocco. And the only reason for going would be if he waqs denied his visa, or if we were in AP too long. His interview in on Monday. Just trying to get a plan B going... . lolol

Are you implying that you have to become Morroccon citizen to marry in Morroco ?

Wow.

[KarimaG 2]

Im planning on going to Morocco. And the only reason for going would be if he waqs denied his visa, or if we were in AP too long. His interview in on Monday. Just trying to get a plan B going... . lolol

Are you implying that you have to become Morroccon citizen to marry in Morroco ?

Wow.

No, sorry, never implied that. The question from the beginning of the thread was "if I moved to morocco is there ever a risk of losing my united states citizenship?" Which my family seems to be under the impression I would. Nope, I never implied that someone has to become a moroccan citizen to be able to marry a moroccan.

But to some others that responded, I personally am not concerned about losing citizenship. I really dont think its possible, so Im not worried in that respect... lol I was trying to gather information for my family who seems to want to insist that I would, and find out some details for them. Im just really hoping who interviews him has a good start in the morning and not in a 'mood'. Im hoping the interview moves smoothly. I seen a couple threads on mena where one seems to be approved, and one was approved so that gives me hope. Ive been waiting so long for this day and really hope it turns out good. BUT! If it doesnt, I will just simply go there! And if he gets stuck in AP I plan on going there and waiting it out with him, and 'enjoy" my time, and think of it as an extended vacation! Everyone has really been great on this thread and I appreciate so much everyones responses!!! Thanks so much! Nowwwwww im going to bed! hhh

Edited December 3, 2009 by KarimaG

[sachinky 464]

From what I understand you can lose your citizenship if you bear arms/fight in a war against the U.S. Or voluntarily renounce your citizenship. And yes, a naturalized citizen may be stripped of their citizenship, if it is found that they gained it through fraudulent means.

Don't stress so much and cross your bridge when you come to it!

Good luck, girl.

[Joseph and Tsion 0]

There has been a question among my family, and everyone thinks they are right... and im wondering if anyone has the answer...

Me, being a american born citizen, moves to another country to gat married. Just temporarily. Im doing this in the even that our k1 did not happen, or if he was in AP for too long. Then I will fly over there and marry and come back here later apon approval of that.

Question; If I do this, move there, get married, took citizenship, will I be able to come back home to my own country, united states? Because I was born here i can never lose citizenship here correct?

And by me just marrying there does not make me lose citizen ship here.

Family members are under the impression if I move over there to wait this out with him, or marry over there, or take citizenship there, that I willnever be able to come back home bc I will lose my citizenship here. Thanksssss!!!

Born in USA = Always an American. Stupid Question buddy

[NickD 202]

There has been a question among my family, and everyone thinks they are right... and im wondering if anyone has the answer...

Me, being a american born citizen, moves to another country to gat married. Just temporarily. Im doing this in the even that our k1 did not happen, or if he was in AP for too long. Then I will fly over there and marry and come back here later apon approval of that.

Question; If I do this, move there, get married, took citizenship, will I be able to come back home to my own country, united states? Because I was born here i can never lose citizenship here correct?

And by me just marrying there does not make me lose citizen ship here.

Family members are under the impression if I move over there to wait this out with him, or marry over there, or take citizenship there, that I willnever be able to come back home bc I will lose my citizenship here. Thanksssss!!!

Born in USA = Always an American. Stupid Question buddy

I liked lucyrich's reply far better than yours.

[freetv 7]

You could be born in the u.s. and move to say Germany when your seven days old and live there until your 99 and still go to the u.s. without any probs (assuming you kept an updated passport). Unless you pick up a rifle and fire at U.S. troops in Iraq or walk into a U.S. embassy and say "I no longer wish to be American" your an American for life. Pretty clear cut for ppl born in the U.S., for ppl that weren't it is alittle muddied but about the same... like others have mentioned.

[CdnMN 0]

There has been a question among my family, and everyone thinks they are right... and im wondering if anyone has the answer...

Me, being a american born citizen, moves to another country to gat married. Just temporarily. Im doing this in the even that our k1 did not happen, or if he was in AP for too long. Then I will fly over there and marry and come back here later apon approval of that.

Question; If I do this, move there, get married, took citizenship, will I be able to come back home to my own country, united states? Because I was born here i can never lose citizenship here correct?

And by me just marrying there does not make me lose citizen ship here.

Family members are under the impression if I move over there to wait this out with him, or marry over there, or take citizenship there, that I willnever be able to come back home bc I will lose my citizenship here. Thanksssss!!!

My wife, a USC, moved to Canada, married me there and lived there with me for 2 years. This had no effect on her US Citizenship at all. She did move back here before I entered the country to establish residence and get work. That helped with the immigration process but had nothing to do with Citizenship.

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[warlord 72]

I think you were confusing Permenant resident with US Citizenship. If you were on your Green Card still, then no you couldn't just move over there that easily without jeapordizing and losing your Green Card possibly. This is not true of course as mentioned previously for a US citizenship.

And yes there are several ways you can lose your US Citizenship. Besides Fraud (including lying on the N-400), fighting or applying for citizenship of an enemy of America, voluntarily revoking it. You can also lose it by"

- commiting serious crimes (like Treason) or having had commited serious crimes in the past. One good example is several ex-Nazi's have been discovered in the US in the recent past and have all been stripped of their Citizenships and deported.

- Another is holding high ranks in public offices in other countries such as ambassadors or high level administration positions etc.

- You can lose it by being an officer or Non-commissioned officer in any foreign army (you can join a foreign army, but not as an officer rank).

- Refusing to testify before Congress within 10 years of being a citizen regarding your involvement in any subversive activities

So yes there are several ways beyond what has been mentioned how one can lose their citizenship. Of course, most people will probably never fall close into any of these catagories...