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The following categories are most subscribed to, or gets the most number of Green cards on a regular basis:
 
1. IR5 - Parents of US citizens
2. DV - Diversity Visa
3. IR1 - Spouse of US citizens
4. FX - Spouse of lawful permanent residents (exempt from country quota limitations)
5. F4 - Siblings of US citizens
 
Let's see if and how these groups of people contribute to the US economy. There are some hard truths that need to be discussed. Twenty first century demands that to be successful, the workforce be technically knowledgeable and skilled.
 
Start with the easy one, DV. The basic premise is to make America more diverse, or representative of all countries/cultures, but does that automatically mean that it will help the economy? 
 
IR5, Parents and F4, Siblings. Bringing parents may give some peace of mind to new citizens, but are they not a burden to the healthcare system? Are all Siblings technically qualified or are skilled enough for the US job market? It doesn't make sense to allow residency for just being a parent or sibling of a citizen without any qualifications.
 
IR1, Spouse of US citizens. This is one of the most abused visa categories. People who have no other way of getting residency, or who can not afford to wait in the very long wait lists in other categories, typically attempt for this shortcut, and find a suitable citizen partner. Once green card in hand, they are not required to stay committed to the marriage.
 
And finally FX. Regular applicants of green cards typically include their Spouses and children under various employment and other categories, including F2A. But this FX is a special category for the spouses who are considered "Exempt". Why should some spouses be exempt from numerical limitations when vast majorities are not?
 
So which groups should ideally get the priorities?
 
A. IR2 - Children of US citizens
B. F2B - 21+ children of LPR
C. F1 - 21+ children of US citizens
D. E2, E3 - Employment based
 
Children should stay with their parents, so they should have the permanent resident status. Even if they are above 21 years of age, parents sponsorship helps them to gain education and subsequently employment. Other sources of sponsorship are increasingly hard to get these days. 
 
Please feel free to provide feedback on the topics discussed above. 
 

Having read on this thread that whitey cannot innovate, invent, or discover, we went south a long time ago.

Now, now... let's keep all responses on a high plane in a thread fraught with the chance to go south.

Amen!
 
To add, is there a minimum education requirement for K1, CR1 and the other family based visas?  No?  Shouldn't there be, if we're talking about contribution to the economy?
 
To go one step further, if the measure of success as an immigrant is education, let's make a college degree a requirement for all would be immigrants.  Lol, I can hear the howling already. Don't worry though, a large proportion of DV applicants have college degrees.  We will be fine.

USA policy is an anachronism is saying it mildly. The system here is intentionally convoluted 🙂

Well, here is the source of "Research": https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/visa-law0/visa-statistics/immigrant-visa-statistics/monthly-immigrant-visa-issuances.html

As I mentioned in previous replies, the time line was for IR1/CR1 applicants who are already in the US, and just needs to do an adjustment of status.
 
Your case is the exception, and for every such case, there are multiple other cases where the applicant actually had no other choice but was forced to use IR1 as a last resort. 

Immigrants are massive drivers of the economy, there is not shred of doubt about that. The point is, how is this visa allocation system working here? Is it a just system, fair to all applicants? Certain groups are not subject to any limitations, quotas, whereas other groups are having to wait indefinitely. 

While a strong economy is key to a strong society, it's not necessarily the only aspect that matters. The right of US citizens to sponsor their spouses and parents is a part of their right of pursuit of happiness. Family-based immigration is just that - family-based. The DV lottery insures that the door remains ajar for immigrants from less represented countries, and its economic value can be disputed, but given that it requires a minimal education and/or experience, and that it probably mostly attracts the young, I suspect that it's beneficial. 
 
I say this as someone who took the F1 --> H1B --> EB2-NIW path, and who most likely will never sponsor an immigrant. But as (now) a citizen, I'd like to retain that right. 
 
That said, I absolutely agree that limitations on EB categories should be abolished and that these categories be given higher priority. 

Most countries have done away with family unification visas except for children and spouses. The USA 🇺🇸 policy is an anachronism. Why should my brother be allowed to migrate here because I did? He has a totally separate life. 
 
Spouses and children should be it. 

To the OP...
 
DV winner here.
 
Yes, brought diversity.  Mixed race family from a country that does not typically immigrate to the US (Australia).
 
Yes, brought ambition.  Got a job within weeks and now pay close to six figures in federal and state taxes.  No sponsor needed.
 
Yes, assimilated.  Became a citizen in 2021.  My older child is starting college in the Fall on full scholarship.
 
Yes, brought assets.  Around $2m in liquid assets that we used to buy homes (including investment properties), and set ourselves up.  
 
If you think that my, or my family's contribution is lacking, have at it.  DV recipients very rarely have anchors in the US, and we get to hustle for our opportunity.   
 
That's the whole point of the DV Lottery - to import folks with a hunger for success, and not because we need MeeMaw (and the whole clan) here with us.
 

Agreed. A lens for the long term health of the U.S. economy is the sustainability of Social Security and Medicare. As the population ages SS and Medicare face pressure because they are paid from payroll taxes on workers. There are fewer workers per retiree than when these systems were invented.
 
Categories A-D, in reverse order, should be prioritized if we want SS and Medicare to continue without cuts to benefits or hikes in taxes. It is past time, to remove the numerical limits of EB2, EB3, F1, F2B.

HILLBILLY VASECTOMY

A Kentucky couple, both rednecks, had 9 children.  They went to the doctor to see about getting the husband "fixed."

The doctor gladly started the required procedure and asked them what finally caused them to make the decision -- why, after 9 children, would they do this?

The husband replied that they had read in a recent newspaper article that one out of every ten children born in the United States was Mexican, and he and his wife did not want to risk having a Mexican baby, because neither of them spoke Spanish.
 

Two young immigrants have just arrived at New York City by boat.  They eagerly look at the buildings and the sights, ready to enjoy the U.S.  One immigrant says to the other, "I hear that the people of this country actually eat dogs."

"Odd," his companion replies, "but, if we shall live in America, we ought to do as the Americans do."  Nodding emphatically, the first immigrant points to a hot-dog vendor, and they both walk toward the cart.

"Two dogs, please," says one.  The vendor, pleased to oblige, wraps each hot dog in foil and hands them over the counter.  The excited boys hurry over to a bench and begin to unwrap their "dogs."

The first immigrant opens his foil, sees the "dog," and begins to blush.  Staring at it for a moment, he leans over to the other immigrant and whispers cautiously, "What part did you get?"
 

I am not, as OP has raised some good points, and besides which back in Canada OP would be sanctioned for hate speech, even though Canada, unlike the U.S., uses merit based immigration.
 
 I am happy OP has the freedom to express surprisingly controversial views.
 
 The attacks on OP are either on the
 
*  merits on the argument: some types of immigrants do not benefit the economy, or
 
* the basis of the argument:  we should not use immigration policy to improve the economy
 
With social security and medicare due to take a hair cut in 10 years, I trust those arguing the latter have in plan a solution that does not involve raiding my assets. As  I am retired living in the 10 percent or less tax bracket, I am good with their apparent plans to raise their own taxes so that I get my full SS and Medicare benefits
 
As to the former, one can nit pick all they want about specifics of OP’s targets for priority and de-priority but most older  and SAHPs immigrants do not help the economy. My wife for one. There is no need for her to work and she does not. And I get to enjoy her company. It does not offend me.

So that's the back story: once those students are unable to get sponsorship from their employers, and not able extend their stay, they face deportation. For sure, some students leave. But those desperate to stay in the US resort to IR1/CR1, or look for other options.
And for "waiting too long in other categories", F1, F2B are some of the examples. The situation for them is getting worse by the month, their priority dates are not moving for 2+ years and in some cases are actually going backwards. Imagine their frustration...

The following categories are most subscribed to, or gets the most number of Green cards on a regular basis:
 
1. IR5 - Parents of US citizens
2. DV - Diversity Visa
3. IR1 - Spouse of US citizens
4. FX - Spouse of lawful permanent residents (exempt from country quota limitations)
5. F4 - Siblings of US citizens
 
Let's see if and how these groups of people contribute to the US economy. There are some hard truths that need to be discussed. Twenty first century demands that to be successful, the workforce be technically knowledgeable and skilled.
 
Start with the easy one, DV. The basic premise is to make America more diverse, or representative of all countries/cultures, but does that automatically mean that it will help the economy? 
 
IR5, Parents and F4, Siblings. Bringing parents may give some peace of mind to new citizens, but are they not a burden to the healthcare system? Are all Siblings technically qualified or are skilled enough for the US job market? It doesn't make sense to allow residency for just being a parent or sibling of a citizen without any qualifications.
 
IR1, Spouse of US citizens. This is one of the most abused visa categories. People who have no other way of getting residency, or who can not afford to wait in the very long wait lists in other categories, typically attempt for this shortcut, and find a suitable citizen partner. Once green card in hand, they are not required to stay committed to the marriage.
 
And finally FX. Regular applicants of green cards typically include their Spouses and children under various employment and other categories, including F2A. But this FX is a special category for the spouses who are considered "Exempt". Why should some spouses be exempt from numerical limitations when vast majorities are not?
 
So which groups should ideally get the priorities?
 
A. IR2 - Children of US citizens
B. F2B - 21+ children of LPR
C. F1 - 21+ children of US citizens
D. E2, E3 - Employment based
 
Children should stay with their parents, so they should have the permanent resident status. Even if they are above 21 years of age, parents sponsorship helps them to gain education and subsequently employment. Other sources of sponsorship are increasingly hard to get these days. 
 
Please feel free to provide feedback on the topics discussed above. 
 

The following categories are most subscribed to, or gets the most number of Green cards on a regular basis:
 
1. IR5 - Parents of US citizens
2. DV - Diversity Visa
3. IR1 - Spouse of US citizens
4. FX - Spouse of lawful permanent residents (exempt from country quota limitations)
5. F4 - Siblings of US citizens
 
Let's see if and how these groups of people contribute to the US economy. There are some hard truths that need to be discussed. Twenty first century demands that to be successful, the workforce be technically knowledgeable and skilled.
 
Start with the easy one, DV. The basic premise is to make America more diverse, or representative of all countries/cultures, but does that automatically mean that it will help the economy? 
 
IR5, Parents and F4, Siblings. Bringing parents may give some peace of mind to new citizens, but are they not a burden to the healthcare system? Are all Siblings technically qualified or are skilled enough for the US job market? It doesn't make sense to allow residency for just being a parent or sibling of a citizen without any qualifications.
 
IR1, Spouse of US citizens. This is one of the most abused visa categories. People who have no other way of getting residency, or who can not afford to wait in the very long wait lists in other categories, typically attempt for this shortcut, and find a suitable citizen partner. Once green card in hand, they are not required to stay committed to the marriage.
 
And finally FX. Regular applicants of green cards typically include their Spouses and children under various employment and other categories, including F2A. But this FX is a special category for the spouses who are considered "Exempt". Why should some spouses be exempt from numerical limitations when vast majorities are not?
 
So which groups should ideally get the priorities?
 
A. IR2 - Children of US citizens
B. F2B - 21+ children of LPR
C. F1 - 21+ children of US citizens
D. E2, E3 - Employment based
 
Children should stay with their parents, so they should have the permanent resident status. Even if they are above 21 years of age, parents sponsorship helps them to gain education and subsequently employment. Other sources of sponsorship are increasingly hard to get these days. 
 
Please feel free to provide feedback on the topics discussed above. 
 

In general, Children of US citizens/LPR's are being brought up/educated in the US, hence more likelihood of being successful in the US. Other groups may or may not educate/train themselves.

The following categories are most subscribed to, or gets the most number of Green cards on a regular basis:
 
1. IR5 - Parents of US citizens
2. DV - Diversity Visa
3. IR1 - Spouse of US citizens
4. FX - Spouse of lawful permanent residents (exempt from country quota limitations)
5. F4 - Siblings of US citizens
 
Let's see if and how these groups of people contribute to the US economy. There are some hard truths that need to be discussed. Twenty first century demands that to be successful, the workforce be technically knowledgeable and skilled.
 
Start with the easy one, DV. The basic premise is to make America more diverse, or representative of all countries/cultures, but does that automatically mean that it will help the economy? 
 
IR5, Parents and F4, Siblings. Bringing parents may give some peace of mind to new citizens, but are they not a burden to the healthcare system? Are all Siblings technically qualified or are skilled enough for the US job market? It doesn't make sense to allow residency for just being a parent or sibling of a citizen without any qualifications.
 
IR1, Spouse of US citizens. This is one of the most abused visa categories. People who have no other way of getting residency, or who can not afford to wait in the very long wait lists in other categories, typically attempt for this shortcut, and find a suitable citizen partner. Once green card in hand, they are not required to stay committed to the marriage.
 
And finally FX. Regular applicants of green cards typically include their Spouses and children under various employment and other categories, including F2A. But this FX is a special category for the spouses who are considered "Exempt". Why should some spouses be exempt from numerical limitations when vast majorities are not?
 
So which groups should ideally get the priorities?
 
A. IR2 - Children of US citizens
B. F2B - 21+ children of LPR
C. F1 - 21+ children of US citizens
D. E2, E3 - Employment based
 
Children should stay with their parents, so they should have the permanent resident status. Even if they are above 21 years of age, parents sponsorship helps them to gain education and subsequently employment. Other sources of sponsorship are increasingly hard to get these days. 
 
Please feel free to provide feedback on the topics discussed above. 
 

In general, Children of US citizens/LPR's are being brought up/educated in the US, hence more likelihood of being successful in the US. Other groups may or may not educate/train themselves.

Why should parents or spouses of U.S. Citizens need "experience of qualifications" to immigrate?
 
You seem to assume that most people with no education who immigrate to the U.S. will become some kind of freeloader, living off the backs of others. It is a fact that many immigrants come here and become experienced, qualified and educated in the U.S. after immigrating because the U.S. offers those opportunities (that perhaps their home country does not). 
 
Also, having experience or qualifications before immigrating to the U.S. does not mean that the experience carries over or that the immigrant will utilize their prior work/education in the U.S. Perhaps the stay at home mom in the prior scenario is a doctor in her home country, but is no longer a doctor in the U.S. But by your logic, she "deserved" to immigrate because of her qualifications over someone else less skilled, even though her education/skills are not being put to use on U.S. soil.

You are correct to enter DV lottery you don’t have to show any education or work experience but when it comes to winning and moving to the US… many people do not always qualify to enter. 
 
And you should speak to DV lottery winners who were unable to apply for a visa because their number was never current or the number of DV winners who were not able to enter because the consulates did a bad job and are part of the class action lawsuit. 

In general, Children of US citizens/LPR's are being brought up/educated in the US, hence more likelihood of being successful in the US. Other groups may or may not educate/train themselves.

In general, Children of US citizens/LPR's are being brought up/educated in the US, hence more likelihood of being successful in the US. Other groups may or may not educate/train themselves.

Good to know, thanks! So we are rest assured that there is no immigration fraud going on whatsoever in the US system.