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About to submit the package, and I'm starting to fret about the proof of relationship stuff.

 

For proof of having met in the last two years I have:

 

Flight Confirmations for both of us, hotel reservations (in my name), and pictures from our five trips together (going back to Feb of 2024).  Four of the five fall in the "two year" range.  We don't have passport stamps within the last two years because in her case the passport was either not stamped (USA) or we found the dates were wrong (Thailand both times).  We do have my stamps from Russia, her home, but that was almost two years ago.  According to her stamps for our most recent trip to Bangkok she hasn't even arrived yet.  It's stamped for June 2026 entry!  We do have included a letter from a hospital stating she stayed with me while I was hospitalized for a week, but it occurs to me the letter refers to her as my "friend".  (The nurses seemed to not be able to wrap their head around "fiance", because no matter how many times I corrected them they would refer to her as "friend" or "wife".  I wonder if it's cultural thing.)

 

For proof of "ongoing relationship" I don't really know what to put.  We text daily in WhatsApp and have weekly Zoom chats.  I have regular emails saying "N has joined the meeting" with the meeting title, but it really is just "N", she never enters her full name.  Am I supposed to just print out screen shots of our WhatsApp conversations?  We really don't have much in the way of emails, because it's the 21st century.  We have emails of files going back and forth as we prepare this document, but that's about it.

 

Would there be any value in showing that I paid for her flights to Chicago and Serbia (her visitors visa last year)?  As well as her flight in Thailand.

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Having paid for a ticket is not primary evidence of travel.  I pay for a one-way ticket to somewhere outside the Philippines every time I enter, but I cancel that ticket within 24 hours and never use it for travel.  If you don't have passport stamps, use boarding passes which ARE evidence of travel.  If she's been in the USA, download her I-94 and travel history here.  https://i94.cbp.dhs.gov/home

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18 hours ago, pushbrk said:

Having paid for a ticket is not primary evidence of travel.  I pay for a one-way ticket to somewhere outside the Philippines every time I enter, but I cancel that ticket within 24 hours and never use it for travel.  If you don't have passport stamps, use boarding passes which ARE evidence of travel.  If she's been in the USA, download her I-94 and travel history here.  https://i94.cbp.dhs.gov/home

 

Thanks for clarifying, I appreciate that.

 

Well, I can see the travel history.  But the system has no I-94 available.  Which is weird.

 

What about the "proof of ongoing relationship"?  WhatsApp can export our chat log (see attached), but it's just a wall of text (see attached example).  It's 1245 pages of text, but it's just text.  Print it out, put it in a box, and ship it to them?  😁  Similarly, I get an email everytime we chat, but it just says "n has joined the chat".

 

 

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I don't have any of the evidence recommended in VisaJourney guide for K-1.

 

We've been dating for three years and been on five shared vacations.  However, email is restricted simply to exchanging documents like flight confirmations or the files for this package.  We've sent more emails in the last week than in the previous three years.  I've never sent her a letter, because it's 2026.  I don't have any phone bills showing calls to her because, again, it's 2026.

 

We communicate daily by WhatsApp, text and audio messages.  We have weekly video chats on Zoom.  I can export our chat logs from WhatsApp, but that's literally nothing but a simple text file (a 1245 page text file, but still just a text file).  I could screen shot excerpts from our text conversations, that might look more real.  When she joins our Zoom meeting, I get an email saying "N joined the meeting", but that's it.

 

I have is a letter from the hospital on our last trip when I was hospitalized for an extended period and we had to cancel our return flights.  They gave her a letter certifying she was staying with me for a partial refund from her airline.  But it does only list me as "friend", I don't know if that would be an issue.

 

And I added her as an authorized user on my credit card and I got one with her name on it.

 

So what should I use to prove our relationship is ongoing?

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8 hours ago, MrMooCow said:

 

So how am I supposed to get feedback on if the documentation is sufficient?

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Met Playing Everquest in 2005
Engaged 9-15-2006
K-1 & 4 K-2'S
Filed 05-09-07
Interview 03-12-08
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Married 06-21-08
AOS X5
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Roc X5
Filed 10-17-10
Cards Received02-22-11
Citizenship
Filed 10-17-11
Interview 01-12-12
Oath 06-29-12

Citizenship for older 2 boys

Filed 03/08/2014

NOA/fee waiver 03/19/2014

Biometrics 04/15/14

Interview 05/29/14

In line for Oath 06/20/14

Oath 09/19/2014 We are all done! All USC no more USCIS

 

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No, don't send 1,200+ pages.  And text alone is not evidence.  A few (no  more than a dozen) screen shots of portions of chats could help, but not unless they are in English.  It seems you sent next to nothing originally, and didn't do a good job on the form section that asks about your meeting.  Explain it in a one page statement, then provide the primary evidence of time spent together in person.

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23 hours ago, MrMooCow said:

 

Thanks for clarifying, I appreciate that.

 

Well, I can see the travel history.  But the system has no I-94 available.  Which is weird.

 

What about the "proof of ongoing relationship"?  WhatsApp can export our chat log (see attached), but it's just a wall of text (see attached example).  It's 1245 pages of text, but it's just text.  Print it out, put it in a box, and ship it to them?  😁  Similarly, I get an email everytime we chat, but it just says "n has joined the chat".

 

 

 

 

Regarding the I-94, did she come to visit you in USA?  If not, there will be no I-94.

  If she did visit you in USA, but you are unable to locate her I-94 online (https://i94.cbp.dhs.gov/search/recent-search), then her name or passport number may have been recorded incorrectly in the system.    Initially, I was unable to locate my step-son's I-94. To resolve it, I emailed my local CBP Deferred Inspection Office and an agent responded within a few days and got it resolved.

From CBP website (https://i94.cbp.dhs.gov/help😞

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What should I do if I am unable to retrieve information about my most recent I-94 or travel history on the CBP I-94/I-95 website?

If you are unable to retrieve your most recent I-94 or travel history, please try the following steps:

  • Utilize the Document Capture feature on the site. Selecting the "CAPTURE DOCUMENT" button allows you to automatically populate applicant data by utilizing your device’s camera to capture an image of the applicant’s document or by uploading a file containing an image of the document’s biographic page.
  • Ensure you are entering your name, date of birth, document number, and country of citizenship exactly as they appear in the travel document you used to enter the United States. If your passport lists multiple first or last names, enter all names as shown in your passport.
  • If you are using the CBP Link Mobile Application and have signed in with Login.gov, select the "Get Most Recent I-94/I-95" tab to search for your latest I-94. You can also use the “document scan” function by taking a photo of the Machine-Readable Zone (MRZ) section of your passport.

If you still cannot retrieve your information, you can file a redress request with the CBP Information Center. Select “Ask Us a Question” choose the topic “I-94/Traveler Compliance,” and select the issue “Issue with my I-94/Travel History.” Enter your email address, describe your issue, upload supporting documents, and click “Next” to submit your request for assistance.

 

And:

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Does the I-94 automation process help eliminate errors, and what should a traveler do if their Form I-94 or admission is incorrect?

Yes, the electronic I-94 helps reduce errors by using information from official travel document. However, if there is an error on either the paper or electronic Form I-94 issued by CBP, or if a nonimmigrant traveler was admitted incorrectly to the United States, they should contact their nearest Deferred Inspection office within thirty days of admission or parole, or you may submit an inquiry through the CBP Ask a Question portal at https://www.help.cbp.gov/s/questions?language=en_US. A list of Deferred Inspection Sites and Ports of Entry is available on the CBP website (https://www.cbp.gov) under the "Ports" link.

 

 
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9 hours ago, pushbrk said:

No, don't send 1,200+ pages.  And text alone is not evidence.  A few (no  more than a dozen) screen shots of portions of chats could help, but not unless they are in English.  It seems you sent next to nothing originally, and didn't do a good job on the form section that asks about your meeting.  Explain it in a one page statement, then provide the primary evidence of time spent together in person.

 

I don't understand what you mean I sent nothing originally and didn't do a good job.  I'm trying to do a good job, that's why I'm asking questions before I file the package.

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As for evidence of a bonafide relationship...
  I simply used MS Paint to compile two pages of pictures of us together in Thailand. Probably 4-5 pictures on each page. Printed those out  and included in my packet.
  I provided copies of my boarding passes to Thailand.
  I provided a copy of dinner and hotel receipts

Additionally, you can include an "Affidavit of Bonafide Marriage" letter or letters, such as:
 

<petitioner/beneficiary name>
<petitioner/beneficiary address>
<address continued>
<address continued>
 

Date: <date>
RE: Affidavit of Bonafide Relationship
Petitioner: <your name>
Beneficiary: <significant other's name>
 

Dear Sir or Ma’am:
I, <petitioner/beneficiary name>, am the fiancé and <petitioner/beneficiary> of <significant other's name>. I do hereby state
that I have been in a relationship with <name> since <date>. We first met in person on <date> and <location> and spent several weeks 
traveling and meeting family members.  Over the next __ years, our relationship has continued to grow. We speak daily via Facebook Messenger, and look forward to getting married.

In addition to our initial trip together, we have also traveled together to: 
<additional date and destinations, if available>

I am legally able and willing to marry <significant other's name> , and intend to do so within 90 days of
his/her arrival into the US, using the K-1 visa. We plan to get married at <location> with friends and family.

Thank you for your consideration.
We are excited to begin our new life together.
 

Sincerely,
________________________ _________________
(Petitioner's / Beneficiary’s Signature) (Date)
________________________
(Petitioner's / Beneficiary’s English name)






Of course, write the affidavit in your own words.  We wrote one from my (petitioner, US citizen's perspective, and another from my fiance's (benficiary) perspective, but you may choose to write a combined affidavit that you both sign and date.




Written statements from Friends and Family members can also be helpful.
 

 
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Posted
41 minutes ago, Stook said:

 

 

Regarding the I-94, did she come to visit you in USA?  If not, there will be no I-94.

  If she did visit you in USA, but you are unable to locate her I-94 online (https://i94.cbp.dhs.gov/search/recent-search), then her name or passport number may have been recorded incorrectly in the system.    Initially, I was unable to locate my step-son's I-94. To resolve it, I emailed my local CBP Deferred Inspection Office and an agent responded within a few days and got it resolved.

From CBP website (https://i94.cbp.dhs.gov/help😞

 

And:

 

 

Excellent!  Very helpful.  Thank you.  I submitted a claim.  She did visit, I can pull up her arrival and departure information.  So probably something just got entered wrong.

Posted
23 minutes ago, Stook said:
As for evidence of a bonafide relationship...
  I simply used MS Paint to compile two pages of pictures of us together in Thailand. Probably 4-5 pictures on each page. Printed those out  and included in my packet.
  I provided copies of my boarding passes to Thailand.
  I provided a copy of dinner and hotel receipts

Additionally, you can include an "Affidavit of Bonafide Marriage" letter or letters, such as:
 

<petitioner/beneficiary name>
<petitioner/beneficiary address>
<address continued>
<address continued>
 

Date: <date>
RE: Affidavit of Bonafide Relationship
Petitioner: <your name>
Beneficiary: <significant other's name>
 

Dear Sir or Ma’am:
I, <petitioner/beneficiary name>, am the fiancé and <petitioner/beneficiary> of <significant other's name>. I do hereby state
that I have been in a relationship with <name> since <date>. We first met in person on <date> and <location> and spent several weeks 
traveling and meeting family members.  Over the next __ years, our relationship has continued to grow. We speak daily via Facebook Messenger, and look forward to getting married.

In addition to our initial trip together, we have also traveled together to: 
<additional date and destinations, if available>

I am legally able and willing to marry <significant other's name> , and intend to do so within 90 days of
his/her arrival into the US, using the K-1 visa. We plan to get married at <location> with friends and family.

Thank you for your consideration.
We are excited to begin our new life together.
 

Sincerely,
________________________ _________________
(Petitioner's / Beneficiary’s Signature) (Date)
________________________
(Petitioner's / Beneficiary’s English name)






Of course, write the affidavit in your own words.  We wrote one from my (petitioner, US citizen's perspective, and another from my fiance's (benficiary) perspective, but you may choose to write a combined affidavit that you both sign and date.




Written statements from Friends and Family members can also be helpful.
 

 

 

Ok, great.  I hadn't thought of that.  I mean, we have that for the "intention to marry", but didn't think about it for the "proof of Relationship".  

 

I have a packet that breaks up our trips into sections with ticket confirmations, hotel reservations, passport stamps, and a photo of us from the trip.

 
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