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2 minutes ago, HRQX said:

Here is someone that adjusted from VWP and had interview last month:

Her I-485 was approved: https://www.visajourney.com/timeline/profile.php?id=339048

Missed that thanks!

Immigration Specialist for Cap Exempt organization. Happy to help with H-1B / J-1 / Change of status :) 

Marriage Based AOS

  • Wedding: 05/16/2020
  • Packet sent: 01/07/2020
  • NOA1 i485, i130, i131 + i765: 08/10/2020
  • Biometrics i765: 10/07/2020
  • Biometrics i485: 10/20/2020
  • EAD + AP approved: 11/03/2020
  • EAD + AP card arrived: 11/09/2020
  • SSN arrived: 11/10/2020
  • Interview: 02/22/2021
  • Approved: 02/22/2021
  • GC arrived: 03/01/2021
  • ROC packet filed: 01/13/2023
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23 hours ago, John Lavey said:

Hi all,

 

I'm looking to get your opinions on marrying and adjusting status directly from VWP/ESTA. My fiancee and I filed our I-192f in December 2019, and the last update we got was NOA2 in April 2020. Much like many other members here our case has been sitting at the NVC since then waiting for the embassy in London to resume routine visa services. In November 2020 we decided to go the third country route to circumvent the presidential proclamation, and she has been with me in the US on VWP since then. Her current authorized stay expires on the 3rd of Feb.

 

With all the uncertainty around when routine processing will resume, we are considering just marrying while she is here and filing forms I-130 and I-485 (along with everything else needed) to adjust status directly. Having seen numerous other threads on this topic here, I decided to call an immigration attorney to get her opinion on going this path. She advised that doing this was a "violation of the underlying visa" and would almost certainly result in a lengthy investigation period during which we would not receive EAD/AP nor would there be any movement on our AOS case until this was completed.

 

I found this quite surprising as the general commentary on this forum seemed to be that marrying and AOSing from VWP was generally an OK thing to do. I'm not sure why it would be a violation of the Visa Waiver Program, either, as we genuinely had no immigrant intent when my fiancee entered the country and only recently began considering this due to changing circumstances. I know we're not immigration lawyers here (or at least not most of us), but what are your opinions on abandoning the K-1 and going this route? Have you heard of anyone who tried this ending up under investigation like the attorney I called indicated?

The attorney is silly.

You can certainly marry and adjust under your circumstances. However, what you do need to consider is that... well remember how long you've been waiting on that K1? You're going to wait a very long time for the adjustment too and the EAD/AP if you apply for it. Your fiance will have to remain with you in the US and not leave until they have an EAD/AP. If you are financially stable for this waiting period then good. An additional problem that could arise is that the fiance cannot get an SSN until they have the EAD (whereas a K1 visa holder could get an SSN before that period). Rest assured you could add your new spouse to any health insurance without the SSN by law, but companies can give you quite a hassle about it.

Our Journey Timeline  - Immigration and the Health Exchange Price of Love in the UK Thinking of Returning to UK?

 

First met: 12/31/04 - Engaged: 9/24/09
Filed I-129F: 10/4/14 - Packet received: 10/7/14
NOA 1 email + ARN assigned: 10/10/14 (hard copy 10/17/14)
Touched on website (fixed?): 12/9/14 - Poked USCIS: 4/1/15
NOA 2 email: 5/4/15 (hard copy 5/11/15)
Sent to NVC: 5/8/15 - NVC received + #'s assigned: 5/15/15 (estimated)
NVC sent: 5/19/15 - London received/ready: 5/26/15
Packet 3: 5/28/15 - Medical: 6/16/15
Poked London 7/1/15 - Packet 4: 7/2/15
Interview: 7/30/15 - Approved!
AP + Issued 8/3/15 - Visa in hand (depot): 8/6/15
POE: 8/27/15

Wedding: 9/30/15

Filed I-485, I-131, I-765: 11/7/15

Packet received: 11/9/15

NOA 1 txt/email: 11/15/15 - NOA 1 hardcopy: 11/19/15

Bio: 12/9/15

EAD + AP approved: 1/25/16 - EAD received: 2/1/16

RFE for USCIS inability to read vax instructions: 5/21/16 (no e-notification & not sent from local office!)

RFE response sent: 6/7/16 - RFE response received 6/9/16

AOS approved/card in production: 6/13/16  

NOA 2 hardcopy + card sent 6/17/16

Green Card received: 6/18/16

USCIS 120 day reminder notice: 2/22/18

Filed I-751: 5/2/18 - Packet received: 5/4/18

NOA 1:  5/29/18 (12 mo ext) 8/13/18 (18 mo ext)  - Bio: 6/27/18

Transferred: Potomac Service Center 3/26/19

Approved/New Card Produced status: 4/25/19 - NOA2 hardcopy 4/29/19

10yr Green Card Received: 5/2/19 with error >_<

N400 : 7/16/23 - Oath : 10/19/23

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, yuna628 said:

Your fiance will have to remain with you in the US and not leave until they have an EAD/AP. If you are financially stable for this waiting period then good. An additional problem that could arise is that the fiance cannot get an SSN until they have the EAD (whereas a K1 visa holder could get an SSN before that period). Rest assured you could add your new spouse to any health insurance without the SSN by law, but companies can give you quite a hassle about it.

Right, no problem at all with any of that. I actually already checked with my employer and they said it wouldn't be a problem to add a spouse without an SSN.

 

Additional update, I called another immigration attorney who echoed everyone here that the original attorney was full of it and there is no problem whatsoever with what we have planned. She said that we have sufficient evidence that there was no immigrant intent at the time of entry and therefore we should be fine.

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4 hours ago, John Lavey said:

Right, no problem at all with any of that. I actually already checked with my employer and they said it wouldn't be a problem to add a spouse without an SSN.

 

Additional update, I called another immigration attorney who echoed everyone here that the original attorney was full of it and there is no problem whatsoever with what we have planned. She said that we have sufficient evidence that there was no immigrant intent at the time of entry and therefore we should be fine.

You really don’t need to worry about intent. CBP officers at the airports and borders have one job: stop anyone whose intentions are not genuine from entering the USA. That’s it. If she was admitted successfully then no intent was found or even suspected. Plans change. Now more than ever. What you are doing is perfectly legal and is exactly the kind of situation that the adjustment process was designed for. 

Timeline in brief:

Married: September 27, 2014

I-130 filed: February 5, 2016

NOA1: February 8, 2016 Nebraska

NOA2: July 21, 2016

Interview: December 6, 2016 London

POE: December 19, 2016 Las Vegas

N-400 filed: September 30, 2019

Interview: March 22, 2021 Seattle

Oath: March 22, 2021 COVID-style same-day oath

 

Now a US citizen!

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Filed: Lift. Cond. (apr) Country: China
Timeline

***Hijack post and replies to said post removed.***

Our journey:

Spoiler

September 2007: Met online via social networking site (MySpace); began exchanging messages.
March 26, 2009: We become a couple!
September 10, 2009: Arrived for first meeting in-person!
June 17, 2010: Arrived for second in-person meeting and start of travel together to other areas of China!
June 21, 2010: Engaged!!!
September 1, 2010: Switched course from K1 to CR-1
December 8, 2010: Wedding date set; it will be on February 18, 2011!
February 9, 2011: Depart for China
February 11, 2011: Registered for marriage in Wuhan, officially married!!!
February 18, 2011: Wedding ceremony in Shiyan!!!
April 22, 2011: Mailed I-130 to Chicago
April 28, 2011: Received NOA1 via text/email, file routed to CSC (priority date April 25th)
April 29, 2011: Updated
May 3, 2011: Received NOA1 hardcopy in mail
July 26, 2011: Received NOA2 via text/email!!!
July 30, 2011: Received NOA2 hardcopy in mail
August 8, 2011: NVC received file
September 1, 2011: NVC case number assigned
September 2, 2011: AOS invoice received, OPTIN email for EP sent
September 7, 2011: Paid AOS bill (payment portal showed PAID on September 9, 2011)
September 8, 2011: OPTIN email accepted, GZO number assigned
September 10, 2011: Emailed AOS package
September 12, 2011: IV bill invoiced
September 13, 2011: Paid IV bill (payment portal showed PAID on September 14, 2011)
September 14, 2011: Emailed IV package
October 3, 2011: Emailed checklist response (checklist generated due to typo on Form DS-230)
October 6, 2011: Case complete at NVC
November 10, 2011: Interview - APPROVED!!!
December 7, 2011: POE - Sea-Tac Airport

September 17, 2013: Mailed I-751 to CSC

September 23, 2013: Received NOA1 in mail (receipt date September 19th)

October 16, 2013: Biometrics Appointment

January 28, 2014: Production of new Green Card ordered

February 3, 2014: New Green Card received; done with USCIS until fall of 2023*

December 18, 2023:  Filed I-90 to renew Green Card

December 21, 2023:  Production of new Green Card ordered - will be seeing USCIS again every 10 years for renewal

 

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On 2/1/2021 at 8:32 AM, retheem said:

Marry and do AOS. You will be fine.

I found this online, can someone explain please?

 

If your fiancé(e) has already filed an I-129F petition on your behalf, things get more complicated. An I-129F petition provides clear evidence that you intend to come to the United States and remain permanently, which contradicts the intent of a temporary visa. That means that USCIS or CBP officials are likely to carefully scrutinize your situation before allowing you to enter the United States on a temporary visa.

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3 hours ago, Renuka said:

I found this online, can someone explain please?

The part that says "USCIS ... officials" is misinformation from Boundless.com

 

For Immediate Relatives (as defined by the INA) intent is determined at entry, not at the AOS interview. See Matter of Battista and Matter of Cavazos.

 

The part about CBP allowing entry is true, though. Each visitor must overcome the INA 214(b) presumption of immigrant intent. But many still visit while going through the K-1 process:

 

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9 hours ago, HRQX said:

The part that says "USCIS ... officials" is misinformation from Boundless.com

 

For Immediate Relatives (as defined by the INA) intent is determined at entry, not at the AOS interview. See Matter of Battista and Matter of Cavazos.

 

The part about CBP allowing entry is true, though. Each visitor must overcome the INA 214(b) presumption of immigrant intent. But many still visit while going through the K-1 process:

 

Thank you, that's really good to know!

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Filed: Lift. Cond. (apr) Country: China
Timeline

~~~Off topic posts removed~~~

Our journey:

Spoiler

September 2007: Met online via social networking site (MySpace); began exchanging messages.
March 26, 2009: We become a couple!
September 10, 2009: Arrived for first meeting in-person!
June 17, 2010: Arrived for second in-person meeting and start of travel together to other areas of China!
June 21, 2010: Engaged!!!
September 1, 2010: Switched course from K1 to CR-1
December 8, 2010: Wedding date set; it will be on February 18, 2011!
February 9, 2011: Depart for China
February 11, 2011: Registered for marriage in Wuhan, officially married!!!
February 18, 2011: Wedding ceremony in Shiyan!!!
April 22, 2011: Mailed I-130 to Chicago
April 28, 2011: Received NOA1 via text/email, file routed to CSC (priority date April 25th)
April 29, 2011: Updated
May 3, 2011: Received NOA1 hardcopy in mail
July 26, 2011: Received NOA2 via text/email!!!
July 30, 2011: Received NOA2 hardcopy in mail
August 8, 2011: NVC received file
September 1, 2011: NVC case number assigned
September 2, 2011: AOS invoice received, OPTIN email for EP sent
September 7, 2011: Paid AOS bill (payment portal showed PAID on September 9, 2011)
September 8, 2011: OPTIN email accepted, GZO number assigned
September 10, 2011: Emailed AOS package
September 12, 2011: IV bill invoiced
September 13, 2011: Paid IV bill (payment portal showed PAID on September 14, 2011)
September 14, 2011: Emailed IV package
October 3, 2011: Emailed checklist response (checklist generated due to typo on Form DS-230)
October 6, 2011: Case complete at NVC
November 10, 2011: Interview - APPROVED!!!
December 7, 2011: POE - Sea-Tac Airport

September 17, 2013: Mailed I-751 to CSC

September 23, 2013: Received NOA1 in mail (receipt date September 19th)

October 16, 2013: Biometrics Appointment

January 28, 2014: Production of new Green Card ordered

February 3, 2014: New Green Card received; done with USCIS until fall of 2023*

December 18, 2023:  Filed I-90 to renew Green Card

December 21, 2023:  Production of new Green Card ordered - will be seeing USCIS again every 10 years for renewal

 

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