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Hello, I hope you guys and girls can give me a definite answer to my question of sponsoring someone while on benefits like SSI, TANF and other state/governmental supported benefits.
While reading on the internet on the subject different answers presents themselves and emerge, and while a DHS-memorandum from 2006 clearly states that it does not count as income, several immigration lawyers states is does, and oddly enough I can't find a straight answer anywhere, not even on the most obvious source; USCIS.

 

I realize even if you could, the level of income would be far too low, but the core of the question is if welfare counts as real income or not. My immigrant reptile sense says instant no. And maybe the lack of answers lies within that sense; of course you can't and being America and all, a bit more realistic than Europe in dealing with immigration. More so now with Trump and all..

Anyway, appreciate the read and your input.

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10 minutes ago, BarnDance said:

Hello, I hope you guys and girls can give me a definite answer to my question of sponsoring someone while on benefits like SSI, TANF and other state/governmental supported benefits.
While reading on the internet on the subject different answers presents themselves and emerge, and while a DHS-memorandum from 2006 clearly states that it does not count as income, several immigration lawyers states is does, and oddly enough I can't find a straight answer anywhere, not even on the most obvious source; USCIS.

 

I realize even if you could, the level of income would be far too low, but the core of the question is if welfare counts as real income or not. My immigrant reptile sense says instant no. And maybe the lack of answers lies within that sense; of course you can't and being America and all, a bit more realistic than Europe in dealing with immigration. More so now with Trump and all..

Anyway, appreciate the read and your input.

SSDI counts but SSI is a big NO... 

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1 minute ago, BarnDance said:

Just like I suspected.

I'm not 100% sure but i heard if you received SSI or food stamp or anything from government benefits they will deny your visa application... 

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2 minutes ago, MomDad said:

I'm not 100% sure but i heard if you received SSI or food stamp or anything from government benefits they will deny your visa application... 

Where did you hear this?

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5 minutes ago, missileman said:

Where did you hear this?

its all over the internet.. You can google it. I'm not 100% sure if its real. 

 

Under the new “public charge” criteria set to take effect on Oct. 15, federal immigration officials would be able to deny visa and green card applicants who have received aid from government programs such as Medicaid, food stamps and housing assistance. Department of Homeland Security officials say the policy change is expected to affect 383,000 applicants in the coming year.

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The consular officer now has wide discretion to determine if the intending immigrant will become a public charge. Obviously if you are unable to provide for yourself you will not be able to provide for yourself plus one other. Even with a sponsor who has an income above the required amount they can still deny you as the sponsor would most likely not provide basic necessities for the immigrant such as food, clothing, etc. 

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16 hours ago, MomDad said:

its all over the internet.. You can google it. I'm not 100% sure if its real. 

Then I'd be a little more careful before posting if you haven't verified it's true. ;)

 

The new public charge rules would use a wider view of circumstances to determine if there is a public charge issue, including the current or recent use of a wider array of public benefits.

It does not mean an application will be denied, but it it is a negative factor.

Usage prior to the rule going into effect (in a little under 60 days, barring any court injunctions) will not be counted against a sponsor.

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I meant in general, not only concerning the new rule which goes into effect on October 15th.

If someone today wants to sponsor an immigrant and lives on benefits in the likes of SSI, Medicaid and other purely governmental/tax payer funded means, that wouldn't count as income, would it? So the sponsor would have to find a joint sponsor with income from employment?

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4 minutes ago, BarnDance said:

I meant in general, not only concerning the new rule which goes into effect on October 15th.

If someone today wants to sponsor an immigrant and lives on benefits in the likes of SSI, Medicaid and other purely governmental/tax payer funded means, that wouldn't count as income, would it? So the sponsor would have to find a joint sponsor with income from employment?

Those items would not be income, correct.

Timelines:

ROC:

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7/27/20: Sent forms to Dallas lockbox, 7/30/20: Received by USCIS, 8/10 NOA1 electronic notification received, 8/1/ NOA1 hard copy received

AOS:

Spoiler

AOS (I-485 + I-131 + I-765):

9/25/17: sent forms to Chicago, 9/27/17: received by USCIS, 10/4/17: NOA1 electronic notification received, 10/10/17: NOA1 hard copy received. Social Security card being issued in married name (3rd attempt!)

10/14/17: Biometrics appointment notice received, 10/25/17: Biometrics

1/2/18: EAD + AP approved (no website update), 1/5/18: EAD + AP mailed, 1/8/18: EAD + AP approval notice hardcopies received, 1/10/18: EAD + AP received

9/5/18: Interview scheduled notice, 10/17/18: Interview

10/24/18: Green card produced notice, 10/25/18: Formal approval, 10/31/18: Green card received

K-1:

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I-129F

12/1/16: sent, 12/14/16: NOA1 hard copy received, 3/10/17: RFE (IMB verification), 3/22/17: RFE response received

3/24/17: Approved! , 3/30/17: NOA2 hard copy received

 

NVC

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K-1

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