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My wife is eligible to file for citizenship. She has held her Green Card for more than three years since we've been married. We have already filed for RoC (last year, no RFE's), but it is still processing. They gave her an extension on her green card expiration date for that reason. I have a few questions:

 

1. We want to go ahead and file the N-400. Is this a good / better idea since the I-751 (RoC) is still pending?

2. Is it better to do it online or mail it?

3. What happens if her expiration extension for her Green Card runs out before they approve the RoC? Does filing the N-400 let her stay here even if her green card "expires"?

4. Do we really need to load the N-400 application with lots of evidence, as seen on the checklist here, or is just the required documents listed on the application enough? At this point, with so much evidence font-loaded in the I-751, it just seems redundant.

 

Thanks in advance! 

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01/13/15 - I-129F package sent

01/15/15 - Arrived at Texas Service Center (sigh...)

01/27/15 - NOA1 in hand

07/16/15 - Case was approved!

07/21/15 - NOA2 in hand

07/24/15 - Case sent to NVC

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08/05/15 - Arrived at embassy

08/12/15 - Packet 3 received

08/17/15 - Packet 3 sent

08/28/15 - Packet 4 received

09/28/15 - Medical

09/30/15 - Interview - approved

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As long as she meets the 3 yr GC requirement she can file for citizenship with the ROC pending. If her ROC extension letter expires they will send another one to extend it an additional 6 months. (First letter was extending it 12 months now they are sending out one extending it 18 months). 

We haven’t filed for citizenship yet but many people in my ROC group did it online and has positive feedback. Apparently you get notification faster and don’t have to worry about “did it get there yet”. 

I suggest following the guides for N400 and not skimping in this last part of the immigration process 🙂 I agree much of the entire process is redundant but we’ve never gotten an RFE or had an interview for AOS or ROC part of what I feel was because of our strong evidence submitted, legitimacy of relationship and straightforwardness of the relationship.


Our K1 Journey

I-129f

Service Center : Texas Service Center   Transferred? California Service Center on 8/11/14

Consulate : Port au Prince, Haiti             I-129F Sent : 4/14/2014

I-129F NOA1 : 4/24/14                            I-129F NOA2 : 9/10/14

NVC Received : 9/24/14                          NVC Left : 9/26/14

Consulate Received : 10/6/14 CEAC status changed to ready

Packet 3 Received : 10/27/14 packet received by petitioner in USA ( beneficiary never received packet 3)

Medical: 10/30/14 Dr. Buteau                  Medical picked up: 11/3/14

Packet 3 Sent : 11/10/13.. Had to schedule interview appointment and attach confirmation receipt to packet

Packet 4 Received : never received ..does it even exist?

Interview Date : 12/1/14                           Interview Result : Approved !

Visa Received : 12/10/14 picked up at Jacmel location

US Entry : 12/15/14 Fort Lauderdale, Florida

Apply for Social Security Card: 12/30/14 Connecticut

Marriage: 1/26/15

 

Adjustment of Status

CIS Office : Hartford                                  Filed : 3/18/15

NOA : 3/25/15                                            Biometrics : 4/15/15

Approved: 8/31/15                                     Received: 9/8/15

 

EAD

CIS Office : Hartford                                  Filed : 3/18/15

NOA : 3/25/15                                            Approved: 6/12/15

Received: 6/20/15

 

Removal of Conditions I-751

Filed: 8/14/17 at VSC                                 NOA: 8/15/17 Received 8/21 by mail

Biometrics: Dated: 8/25/17   Received 9/2/17   Appointment 9/11/17 

Approved: 10/23/18 -no interview

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·  chaoticlogic      

Copy of both side Permanent Resident card 

·         Copy of naturalization certificate or passport of US citizen

·         Copy  of Marriage Certificate      

·         Documents for any previous marriage ( if applicable)

·         US Federal Joint Income Tax Returns for tax years 2015, 2016 and 2017 

·         Copy of current driver license of applicant ( not needed, additional documents)

·         Copy of Apartment Lease Documents  ( not needed , additional documents)

·         Copy of house dead ( not needed, additional documents)

·         Copy of Birth Certificate for applicant ( you may take during interview)

 

Apply online, it is easy and will ask necessary documents , so no guess work and then you can add more, but not extensive as ROC.  No bank statement, no photo etc.  Also you can take all submitted ROC documents during interview and will get change to submit , if they ask for.

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On ‎2‎/‎16‎/‎2019 at 6:33 PM, Luckycuds said:

As long as she meets the 3 yr GC requirement she can file for citizenship

So Luckycuds...3 year GC requirement means one can apply for citizenship 3 years from the issued date on the GC, correct? There's no window that opens prior to that date for filing? Thanks, 

 

--David


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  • 2019.03.08 -- ROC 90-Day Filing Window Opened
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  • 2019.03.12 -- 1-751 and G-1145 delivered to Phoenix (via UPS)
  • 2019.03.12 -- 1-751 official submission date
  • 2019.03.15 -- I-797 (NOA 1)  LIN=Nebraska Service Center
  • 2019.03.18 -- Text message notification received: file receipt confirmation || Check for application + biometrics fees processed
  • 2019.03.18 -- NO1 received via USPS (18-month Green Card extension)


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  • 2017.02.24 -- Biometrics Appointment
  • 2017.04.20 -- AOS & EAD approved; NOA2's received via USPS on 2017.04.23
  • 2017.04.29 -- EAD & AP combo card received
  • 2017.06.06 -- AOS approved!
  • 2017.06.10 -- Green Card received

 

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On 2/16/2019 at 3:53 PM, chaoticlogic said:

My wife is eligible to file for citizenship. She has held her Green Card for more than three years since we've been married. We have already filed for RoC (last year, no RFE's), but it is still processing. They gave her an extension on her green card expiration date for that reason. I have a few questions:

 

1. We want to go ahead and file the N-400. Is this a good / better idea since the I-751 (RoC) is still pending?

2. Is it better to do it online or mail it?

3. What happens if her expiration extension for her Green Card runs out before they approve the RoC? Does filing the N-400 let her stay here even if her green card "expires"?

4. Do we really need to load the N-400 application with lots of evidence, as seen on the checklist here, or is just the required documents listed on the application enough? At this point, with so much evidence font-loaded in the I-751, it just seems redundant.

 

Thanks in advance! 

Always check official instructions first before asking/relying on answers here. You can find the instructions including the document checklist here - https://www.uscis.gov/n-400

 

The document checklist is for paper application but it applies to online application as well so there might be some wordings that are only for paper application.

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On 2/16/2019 at 4:53 PM, chaoticlogic said:

My wife is eligible to file for citizenship. She has held her Green Card for more than three years since we've been married. We have already filed for RoC (last year, no RFE's), but it is still processing. They gave her an extension on her green card expiration date for that reason. I have a few questions:

 

1. We want to go ahead and file the N-400. Is this a good / better idea since the I-751 (RoC) is still pending?

2. Is it better to do it online or mail it?

3. What happens if her expiration extension for her Green Card runs out before they approve the RoC? Does filing the N-400 let her stay here even if her green card "expires"?

4. Do we really need to load the N-400 application with lots of evidence, as seen on the checklist here, or is just the required documents listed on the application enough? At this point, with so much evidence font-loaded in the I-751, it just seems redundant.

 

Thanks in advance! 

1. Honestly, it is up to you guys if you want to file now with ROC pending and most likely have both cases combined (which means both I-751 and N400 interviews will be conducted) or file when ROC is approved. I waited for ROC to be approved so I don't have to worry about getting stamps in the passport. Your cases might and might not be combined. It is a lottery at this point.

2. Both is fine, however, I did it on paper and mailed it. As soon as they get it, they will process it and send you a notice to access your case online. I created an online account as per instructions in the notice and I can now see all the documents I submitted. 

3. N-400 doesn't give a proof of status. Your wife should go to the field office a month before extension letter expires to get a stamp in the passport if she doesn't get her GC before then.

4. No. If you read the instructions carefully, you don't have to submit evidence (optional) but you are required to bring them to the interview like marriage certificate, taxes and joint bank account statements (from the checklist). Copy of wife's GC is what you NEED to submit with application. If you want to put your mind at ease, you can submit extra evidence but N400 is not ROC.

 

I hope this help 🙂


AOS i-130, i-485 & i-765 in New York (Queens field office)

12/29/2014 - Priority Date; receipt number starting with MSC

1/2/2015 - Fingerprint fee accepted

1/26/2015 - Case suspended - RFE sent out

2/3/2015 - Fingerprint done at Jamaica Center, Queens

2/11/2015 - RFE received - Case resumed

3/2/2015 - EAD ordered

3/13/2015- EAD card mailed out -- received it 3 days later

7/8/2015 - AOS interview ready to be scheduled for an interview

9/27/2015 - AOS Interview scheduled for Nov 3

11/3/2015 - AOS interview

12/11/2015 - APPROVED!!!

ROC (Vermont Service Center)

10/3/2017 - Sent out ROC package to VSC

10/6/2017 - Date on NOA (Received NOA on 10/16/2017)

11/6/2017 - Biometrics done

8/15/2018 - Extension letter for 18 months received

12/28/2018 - APPROVED! (No RFE, No Interview) 🤸‍♀️ 

1/7/2019 - GC delivered

N-400 (Queens field office)

1/22/2019 - N400 delivered to Dallas, TX.

1/25/2019 - Check cashed

2/12/2019 - Biometrics appt

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On 2/16/2019 at 6:33 PM, Luckycuds said:

As long as she meets the 3 yr GC requirement she can file for citizenship with the ROC pending. If her ROC extension letter expires they will send another one to extend it an additional 6 months. (First letter was extending it 12 months now they are sending out one extending it 18 months). 

We haven’t filed for citizenship yet but many people in my ROC group did it online and has positive feedback. Apparently you get notification faster and don’t have to worry about “did it get there yet”. 

I suggest following the guides for N400 and not skimping in this last part of the immigration process 🙂 I agree much of the entire process is redundant but we’ve never gotten an RFE or had an interview for AOS or ROC part of what I feel was because of our strong evidence submitted, legitimacy of relationship and straightforwardness of the relationship.

She already got an extension letter for the 18 months, but that will expire in about 4 months. It's not our fault that they are behind, but what do we do if it is about to expire? Will they send us another one extending it even further past the 18 months?


K1 until Green Card

01/13/15 - I-129F package sent

01/15/15 - Arrived at Texas Service Center (sigh...)

01/27/15 - NOA1 in hand

07/16/15 - Case was approved!

07/21/15 - NOA2 in hand

07/24/15 - Case sent to NVC

08/03/15 - NVC Case # Assigned / Case sent to embassy (estimate)

08/05/15 - Arrived at embassy

08/12/15 - Packet 3 received

08/17/15 - Packet 3 sent

08/28/15 - Packet 4 received

09/28/15 - Medical

09/30/15 - Interview - approved

10/07/15 - K1 Visa in hand

10/22/15 - POE

11/06/15 - Married!

12/15/15 - I-485 package sent
02/29/16 - I-485 approved (interview waived)

03/08/16 - Green Card in hand

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  • You can apply up to 90 days prior pending you meet the criteria:
  • Spouses of U.S. Citizens

    Generally, certain lawful permanent residents married to a U.S. citizen may file for naturalization after residing continuously in the United States for three years if immediately preceding the filing of the application:

         ball.gif the applicant has been married to and living in a valid marital union with the same U.S. citizen spouse for all three years; 
              ball.gif the U.S. spouse has been a citizen for all three years and meets all physical presence and residence requirements; and 
              ball.gif the applicant meets all other naturalization requirements. 



    There are also exceptions for lawful permanent residents married to U.S. citizens stationed or employed abroad

you can enter the permanent residency anniversary date here to find the earliest to apply- https://www.uscis.gov/forms/uscis-early-filing-calculator

  • 23 hours ago, NDB052714 said:

    So Luckycuds...3 year GC requirement means one can apply for citizenship 3 years from the issued date on the GC, correct? There's no window that opens prior to that date for filing? Thanks, 

     

    --David

     


Our K1 Journey

I-129f

Service Center : Texas Service Center   Transferred? California Service Center on 8/11/14

Consulate : Port au Prince, Haiti             I-129F Sent : 4/14/2014

I-129F NOA1 : 4/24/14                            I-129F NOA2 : 9/10/14

NVC Received : 9/24/14                          NVC Left : 9/26/14

Consulate Received : 10/6/14 CEAC status changed to ready

Packet 3 Received : 10/27/14 packet received by petitioner in USA ( beneficiary never received packet 3)

Medical: 10/30/14 Dr. Buteau                  Medical picked up: 11/3/14

Packet 3 Sent : 11/10/13.. Had to schedule interview appointment and attach confirmation receipt to packet

Packet 4 Received : never received ..does it even exist?

Interview Date : 12/1/14                           Interview Result : Approved !

Visa Received : 12/10/14 picked up at Jacmel location

US Entry : 12/15/14 Fort Lauderdale, Florida

Apply for Social Security Card: 12/30/14 Connecticut

Marriage: 1/26/15

 

Adjustment of Status

CIS Office : Hartford                                  Filed : 3/18/15

NOA : 3/25/15                                            Biometrics : 4/15/15

Approved: 8/31/15                                     Received: 9/8/15

 

EAD

CIS Office : Hartford                                  Filed : 3/18/15

NOA : 3/25/15                                            Approved: 6/12/15

Received: 6/20/15

 

Removal of Conditions I-751

Filed: 8/14/17 at VSC                                 NOA: 8/15/17 Received 8/21 by mail

Biometrics: Dated: 8/25/17   Received 9/2/17   Appointment 9/11/17 

Approved: 10/23/18 -no interview

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1 hour ago, chaoticlogic said:

She already got an extension letter for the 18 months, but that will expire in about 4 months. It's not our fault that they are behind, but what do we do if it is about to expire? Will they send us another one extending it even further past the 18 months?

I’m unsure if they send extension letters past 18 months as I haven’t seen instances where it took that long- I personally would make an infopass appointment though within 2 months of it expiring to see if they will provide her a stamp.


Our K1 Journey

I-129f

Service Center : Texas Service Center   Transferred? California Service Center on 8/11/14

Consulate : Port au Prince, Haiti             I-129F Sent : 4/14/2014

I-129F NOA1 : 4/24/14                            I-129F NOA2 : 9/10/14

NVC Received : 9/24/14                          NVC Left : 9/26/14

Consulate Received : 10/6/14 CEAC status changed to ready

Packet 3 Received : 10/27/14 packet received by petitioner in USA ( beneficiary never received packet 3)

Medical: 10/30/14 Dr. Buteau                  Medical picked up: 11/3/14

Packet 3 Sent : 11/10/13.. Had to schedule interview appointment and attach confirmation receipt to packet

Packet 4 Received : never received ..does it even exist?

Interview Date : 12/1/14                           Interview Result : Approved !

Visa Received : 12/10/14 picked up at Jacmel location

US Entry : 12/15/14 Fort Lauderdale, Florida

Apply for Social Security Card: 12/30/14 Connecticut

Marriage: 1/26/15

 

Adjustment of Status

CIS Office : Hartford                                  Filed : 3/18/15

NOA : 3/25/15                                            Biometrics : 4/15/15

Approved: 8/31/15                                     Received: 9/8/15

 

EAD

CIS Office : Hartford                                  Filed : 3/18/15

NOA : 3/25/15                                            Approved: 6/12/15

Received: 6/20/15

 

Removal of Conditions I-751

Filed: 8/14/17 at VSC                                 NOA: 8/15/17 Received 8/21 by mail

Biometrics: Dated: 8/25/17   Received 9/2/17   Appointment 9/11/17 

Approved: 10/23/18 -no interview

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13 minutes ago, Luckycuds said:

I’m unsure if they send extension letters past 18 months as I haven’t seen instances where it took that long- I personally would make an infopass appointment though within 2 months of it expiring to see if they will provide her a stamp.

Okay thanks. Regardless, there is no way she will be forced to leave the country or lose status due to delays, correct? And I honestly wouldn't be surprised if it took them past the 18 mint extension to complete... 


K1 until Green Card

01/13/15 - I-129F package sent

01/15/15 - Arrived at Texas Service Center (sigh...)

01/27/15 - NOA1 in hand

07/16/15 - Case was approved!

07/21/15 - NOA2 in hand

07/24/15 - Case sent to NVC

08/03/15 - NVC Case # Assigned / Case sent to embassy (estimate)

08/05/15 - Arrived at embassy

08/12/15 - Packet 3 received

08/17/15 - Packet 3 sent

08/28/15 - Packet 4 received

09/28/15 - Medical

09/30/15 - Interview - approved

10/07/15 - K1 Visa in hand

10/22/15 - POE

11/06/15 - Married!

12/15/15 - I-485 package sent
02/29/16 - I-485 approved (interview waived)

03/08/16 - Green Card in hand

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