The Law Is on the N.F.L. Players’ Side

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7 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

I didn’t say anything about throwing a bottle.  I said you’d be wearing a coke.  As in pouring it over your head.  It wouldn’t hurt you, it would cool you down and assist you with achieving rational thought and not disrespecting the very country and soldiers who helped get you where you are today.  Yeah, I’m a little partial towards the greatness of our country.  

And I believe that when you walk away from the violation of a standard, you set a new, lower standard.  So walk away I most likely wouldn’t.  But you have nothing to worry about, because I am sure you’d never disrespect our flag nor our nation.

I'm not a lawyer but as I said I'm fairly certain that could qualify as assault or battery. Most likely battery, as it doesn't require bodily harm.

 

It is an unwanted "touching" (by you or a proxy, in this case the liquid as proxy) of another person.

 

You don't have that "freedom of expression". Conversely, I do have the freedom to kneel.

Edited October 25, 2017 by bcking

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8 hours ago, IDWAF said:

If he wanted to “protest for a cause”, he A) could have picked an actual cause...

You don't feel that racial injustice is a real problem in this country?  I'm not talking specifically about the black guys who have been shot by police lately.  Most of them were criminals who violently resisted arrest.  I'm talking about the fact that as a black guy in a nice car, you are more likely to be pulled over by the cops, just because of the color of your skin.  

 

As a white guy, I can say that that is not just.

 

  

Edited October 25, 2017 by Eric-Pris

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

1 hour ago, bcking said:

Yes and once you are in your work building you are subject to your contract.

 

Kneeling during the anthem does not violate their contract.

Cause in full uniform inside s stadium they aren't at work. Lol The MDL rocks, you just can't make up such outlandish logic 

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1 minute ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

Cause in full uniform inside s stadium they aren't at work. Lol The MDL rocks, you just can't make up such outlandish logic 

What are you talking about?

 

They are at work. And their contract at work does not require them to stand. It only states they should. That isn't a requirement.

 

Therefore they have done nothing wrong and this is all blown out of proportion.

Edited October 25, 2017 by bcking

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1 minute ago, bcking said:

What are you talking about?

 

They are at work. And their contract at work does not require them to stand. It only states they should. That isn't a requirement.

 

Therefore they have done nothing wrong and this is all blown out of proportion.

They are all parasites,  like...never mind 

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3 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

They are all parasites,  like...never mind 

So when your point doesn't work....you fall back on just calling them a name.

 

Bottom line - their workplace doesn't require them to stand, and so therefore they are doing nothing wrong.

 

The NFL can try to change their rules if they'd like. I have no idea what that requires.

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1 hour ago, Eric-Pris said:

You don't feel that racial injustice is a real problem in this country?  I'm not talking specifically about the black guys who have been shot by police lately.  Most of them were criminals who violently resisted arrest.  I'm talking about the fact that as a black guy in a nice car, you are more likely to be pulled over by the cops, just because of the color of your skin.  

 

As a white guy, I can say that that is not just.

 

  

The protest by Kaperloser was for blacks being shot by cops.  Not racial injustice.  

 

If you were a cop, and patrolled an area where there was a lot of crime, and a majority of those crimes you were arresting ot pursuing a black perp... do you think you’d see colors?

 

I’m not saying that is always the case, I am sure there are areas where more whites are arrested than blacks.  But where the majority are black, it might cause one to look with a suspicious eye upon blacks who are innocent.  

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2 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

The protest by Kaperloser was for blacks being shot by cops.  Not racial injustice.  

 

If you were a cop, and patrolled an area where there was a lot of crime, and a majority of those crimes you were arresting ot pursuing a black perp... do you think you’d see colors?

 

I’m not saying that is always the case, I am sure there are areas where more whites are arrested than blacks.  But where the majority are black, it might cause one to look with a suspicious eye upon blacks who are innocent.  

I'd hope there is still a wide berth between "looking with a suspicious eye" and "shooting an innocent unarmed person because they didn't something you didn't like"

 

Unfortunately in a lot of the scenarios those two things have been blending together. That I'd where the problem lies.

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4 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

The protest by Kaperloser was for blacks being shot by cops.  Not racial injustice.  

 

If you were a cop, and patrolled an area where there was a lot of crime, and a majority of those crimes you were arresting ot pursuing a black perp... do you think you’d see colors?

 

I’m not saying that is always the case, I am sure there are areas where more whites are arrested than blacks.  But where the majority are black, it might cause one to look with a suspicious eye upon blacks who are innocent.  

I'd hope there is still a wide berth between "looking with a suspicious eye" and "shooting an innocent unarmed person because they did something you didn't like"

 

Unfortunately in a lot of the scenarios those two things have been blending together. That is where the problem lies I think.

Edited October 25, 2017 by bcking

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52 minutes ago, bcking said:

I'd hope there is still a wide berth between "looking with a suspicious eye" and "shooting an innocent unarmed person because they didn't something you didn't like"

 

[]b]Unfortunately in a lot of the scenarios[/b] those two things have been blending together. That I'd where the problem lies.

Define a “lot” if you will.  Because I haven’t seen a lot happening.  The media made us all very aware of a few, such as the guy choked to death (that was Hispanic on black, and the officer is being charged with manslaughter), and Charles Kinsey who got shot in the leg while laying down (I still don’t get that one?  And his shooter, Jonathan Aledda, is being prosecuted, and recently more charges were added.  The ####### is still claiming not guilty, but I hope he ends up in jail ).  And I am sure there are more.  But “a lot” is most likely hyperbole, when measured against the cast number of successful arrests each and every day across the US.  Especially when you throw out all the BS ones like Michael Brown. 

 

And it’s not just blacks that get shot; here, the police showed up to the wrong address and allegedly (I say that because it is pretty recent, and hasn’t been investigated yet) shot the wrong Hispanic man because they got the address wrong.  More to follow on that one.  https://www.cbsnews.com/news/lawyer-police-at-wrong-address-shoot-kill-unarmed-man-inside-his-home/

 

 

And yes, there are a large amount of stories available where blacks are viewed suspiciously.  Our old pal Marvin would have called it “walking while black”, or “shopping while black”.  And I have enough black friends to know it is true.  I have one who was put into handcuffs while working out in a hotel fitness room because he “matched the description of a wanted criminal”.  While he was being marched out towards the lobby, the actual perp was apprehended meeting the pizza delivery guy in the lobby.  My friend is 6’ 1” tall, with very short, clean haircut.  The perp was about 5’ 6” tall with an Afro.  The ONLY matching feature was the color of his skin.  He laughed it off with the cops, he didn’t resist arrest (even though he KNEW he wasn’t guilty of anything except wanting a hot body), he was cool about it... but I know it sucks that he was only put into handcuffs because of his skin color.  Had it been a white perp, the cops wouldn’t have been locking up every white person they happened to pass in the hotel.

 

Edited October 25, 2017 by IDWAF

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

What the don't want to take a knee for is the epidemic  of Blacks killing blacks in this country. I wonder how quick the NFL would shut down a protest to highlight and call attention to wildly disproportionate at which blacks kill whites and other blacks. 

 

Stats are just that. Numbers. Seems statistically Koperknuckle would have a lot more to fear from his black teammates than the police 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 26, 2017 by Nature Boy Flair

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1 hour ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

What the don't want to take a knee for is the epidemic  of Blacks killing blacks in this country. I wonder how quick the NFL would shut down a protest to highlight and call attention to wildly disproportionate at which blacks kill whites and other blacks. 

 

Stats are just that. Numbers. Seems statistically Koperknuckle would have a lot more to fear from his black teammates than the police 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What are those percentages even mean in your first image?

 

97% of what? The image doesn't explain. Clearly they don't all add up to 100% so it isn't like a percentage of homicides.

 

Edit: I got it now. The first two and the last one add up to 100%. Very poorly designed/organised image. They should have grouped them up appropriately.

Edited October 26, 2017 by bcking

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34 minutes ago, bcking said:

What are those percentages even mean in your first image?

 

97% of what? The image doesn't explain. Clearly they don't all add up to 100% so it isn't like a percentage of homicides.

 

Edit: I got it now. The first two and the last one add up to 100%. Very poorly designed/organised image. They should have grouped them up appropriately.

 

      Trump re-tweeted this stupid graphic as well. The right seems to have a thing for fake statistics.

 

       There is no such thing as a "Crime Statistics Bureau". The statistics are made up, obviously with race baiting intent. What is sad is that people are still using this fake chart when the actual FBI statistics have been out for over a year now.

 

       Here are the actual 2015 statistics for homicide for anyone not interested in the fake chart above. We see 81 percent of whites were actually killed by other white people, while 89% of blacks were killed by other black people. Same breakdown as most other years, and probably what we would expect. If anyone want's to label an actual group that shows up disproportionately on the offenders list, lets go with "males". 

       

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43 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

      Trump re-tweeted this stupid graphic as well. The right seems to have a thing for fake statistics.

 

       There is no such thing as a "Crime Statistics Bureau". The statistics are made up, obviously with race baiting intent. What is sad is that people are still using this fake chart when the actual FBI statistics have been out for over a year now.

 

       Here are the actual 2015 statistics for homicide for anyone not interested in the fake chart above. We see 81 percent of whites were actually killed by other white people, while 89% of blacks were killed by other black people. Same breakdown as most other years, and probably what we would expect. If anyone want's to label an actual group that shows up disproportionately on the offenders list, lets go with "males". 

       

I agree with the crime stats being a false narrative, but in reality, it’s not far from the truth when it comes to white/white and black/black killing.  What’s hard to nail down is victims killed by police.

 

It’s an inconvenient truth, but a truth nonetheless... while blacks make up only about 13% of the population, they account for a LOT of the serious crimes committed.  Blacks killing whites are about 15.7%, while whites killing blacks are about 8.5%.  There are 5 times fewer blacks than whites in the US, yet blacks kill twice as many whites than whites kill blacks.  VERY disproportionate.

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15 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

I agree with the crime stats being a false narrative, but in reality, it’s not far from the truth when it comes to white/white and black/black killing.  What’s hard to nail down is victims killed by police.

 

It’s an inconvenient truth, but a truth nonetheless... while blacks make up only about 13% of the population, they account for a LOT of the serious crimes committed.  Blacks killing whites are about 15.7%, while whites killing blacks are about 8.5%.  There are 5 times fewer blacks than whites in the US, yet blacks kill twice as many whites than whites kill blacks.  VERY disproportionate.

 

   If the the actual percentage of white people killed by black people was 15.7%, and we have a chart saying 81% of white people murdered were killed by black people, that is far from the truth. 

 

  I'm still more concerned that 88.8% of all homicides are committed by males. I don't see any other group that showed up that disproportionately. We are talking about colors when the actual problem is evident.