Refusing birth certificates...

[heo luoi 206]

Federal judge says Texas can refuse to issue birth certificates to children of illegal immigrants! wow.

http://www.newser.com/story/214596/children-of-illegal-immigrants-hurt-by-texas-ruling.html

Edited October 18, 2015 by heo luoi

[ready4ONE 5,400]

Even Texas is subject to the Constitution. Who knew?

[TBoneTX 45,540]

That's very big news here.

[Jacque67 7,328]

Didn't he just deny an emergency order?

[Dakine10 5,452]

Refusing to issue birth certificates to US citizens sounds unconstitutional.

[belinda63 3,039]

Read the story prior to commenting. They are requiring valid ID to obtain the birth certificate most likely to prevent just anyone from obtaining a BC for a US citizen to use later to gain immigration benefits or to commit fraud. There is nothing unusual about requiring proper id to obtain a vital record.

[Dakine10 5,452]

Read the story prior to commenting. They are requiring valid ID to obtain the birth certificate most likely to prevent just anyone from obtaining a BC for a US citizen to use later to gain immigration benefits or to commit fraud. There is nothing unusual about requiring proper id to obtain a vital record.

BS. They are refusing to accept foreign ID's even though it is legal. They are refusing to accept passports without a valid visa even though this is a valid form of ID. Texas should give the same consideration to the resto of the constitution as they do to the second amendment.

No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

[JohnR! 5,495]

Is the irony lost, that Texas, of all states, should presume to decide who is and who isn't a US citizen?

BS. They are refusing to accept foreign ID's even though it is legal. They are refusing to accept passports without a valid visa even though this is a valid form of ID. Texas should give the same consideration to the resto of the constitution as they do to the second amendment.

No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

[Dakine10 5,452]

Is the irony lost, that Texas, of all states, should presume to decide who is and who isn't a US citizen?

Wasn't it just a few months ago that the state legislature tried to pass a bill blocking the issuing of same sex marriage licences? I guess the constitution is really great when you just pick and choose the parts that suit you.

[JohnR! 5,495]

The constitution is great when it enforces the will of the majority. It becomes a pesky old rag when it's used for equality and justice for all, including minorities.

Wasn't it just a few months ago that the state legislature tried to pass a bill blocking the issuing of same sex marriage licences? I guess the constitution is really great when you just pick and choose the parts that suit you.

[heo luoi 206]

From reading the story i can see both perspectives et al.

I just dont get what does one presume happen to these phantom kids, citizens of no where? if two people go in and 3 people come out that kid is a USC. How are these kids going to retroactively prove they were born where, citizen of where ...etc after the fact.

Edited October 18, 2015 by heo luoi

[Dakine10 5,452]

From reading the story i can see both perspectives et al.

I just dont get what does one presume happen to these phantom kids, citizens of no where? if two people go in and 3 people come out that kid is a USC. How are these kids going to retroactively prove they were born where, citizen of where ...etc after the fact.

There are those who believe the 14th amendment doesn't apply to these kids. This is how they get what they want without actually changing the constitution.

[JohnR! 5,495]

They would be wrong, and while everyone knows the 14th amendment to make no such distinction, I believe Congress should consider amending it to exclude illegal immigrants, if that is how our nation wants to go. There is a process in place to effect the desired change; all they need do it follow it.

There are those who believe the 14th amendment doesn't apply to these kids. This is how they get what they want without actually changing the constitution.

[Dakine10 5,452]

They would be wrong, and while everyone knows the 14th amendment to make no such distinction, I believe Congress should consider amending it to exclude illegal immigrants, if that is how our nation wants to go. There is a process in place to effect the desired change; all they need do it follow it.

If that's what people want, then there is a process for that. Just as there is a legal process to determine what forms of ID are acceptable.

The problem is none of that happened. There is no law or official policy for denying the birth certificate. Like with the marriage licenses, it's just people ignoring the actual law and doing what they feel like doing. I assume an actual legislated policy would have to be constitutional, thus including a provision for the children to get the birth certificate somehow, unlike what's actually happening right now.

[JohnR! 5,495]

Bingo. The actual issue is not the issuance of the birth certificate, but the real purpose is to find a manner by which to circumvent the Constitution and deny these babies - anchor or otherwise - their right to US citizenship by denying them their birth certificate.

If that's what people want, then there is a process for that. Just as there is a legal process to determine what forms of ID are acceptable.

The problem is none of that happened. There is no law or official policy for denying the birth certificate. Like with the marriage licenses, it's just people ignoring the actual law and doing what they feel like doing. I assume an actual legislated policy would have to be constitutional, thus including a provision for the children to get the birth certificate somehow, unlike what's actually happening right now.