Lies, Lies and more lies

[OriZ 3,157]

Pallywood propaganda is continuing.

Arab and Palestinian social media has been abuzz with inciting images which portray the perpetrators of attacks against Israelis as innocent victims of Israeli aggression. Disinformation is neither new nor a stranger to the Palestinian propaganda campaign, but it seems to have intensified by the recent events.

Almost every picture of a neutralized terrorist is quickly uploaded to social media, and is portrayed as a "cold blooded execution."

The campaign hasn't spared Mahmoud Abbas' own spokesman, Nabil Abu Ruedeineh, who said on Monday that "Israel executed Hassan Manasra," the 15-year-old who was killed after carrying out a stabbing in Jerusalem's Pisgat Ze'ev district.

More on that here: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4710526,00.html

Meanwhile, Abbas in his speech today claimed that the other boy, 13 years old who joined the one above in stabbing people, was executed. He neglected to mention two things:

1. He is still alive and being treated in an Israeli hospital.

2. Neutralizing is definitely NOT executing.

Meanwhile again, The LA Times seems to think the following headline accurately describes what happened several days ago:

It, too, forgot several important things;

Two of the aforementioned teens in the headline were killed while carrying out stabbing attacks, which were examples of Palestinian and not “Israeli violence.” The other two were killed in violent demonstrations initiated by Palestinians.

http://honestreporting.com/palestinian-terror-wave-prompts-media-bias-wave/

Oh, I can go on and on with stupid media headlines around the world in the past week but I won't, I'll just leave you with the BBC:

BBC headline sparked sharp criticism from Israelis and Jews around the world on Saturday in the wake of an that resulted in the death of two Israelis at the hands of a 19-year-old Palestinian. "Palestinian shot dead after Jerusalem attack kills two," read the original headline, prompting accusations of bias in favor of the Palestinian attacker, whose death was the main focus of the headline despite the fact that he had killed two Israeli civilians.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4706944,00.html

So I'll promise you this - the next time Expat wants to plaster pictures of "innocent" young children in Israeli custody or with a gun aimed at them by a soldier, I will make sure to bounce this thread so that everyone can be reminded that just because you are 13, or 15, does not mean you cannot be a terrorist who needs to be neutralized.

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Go get'em, cowboy

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Lies are all they have.

They have no true allies. Not the kind willing to do more than run their mouths, that is.

They have no talent, unless rock throwing count.

They have no leadership, just a bunch of self-interested old men in it for themselves.

So yes, they lie. What else do they have?

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So I'll promise you this - the next time Expat wants to plaster pictures of "innocent" young children in Israeli custody or with a gun aimed at them by a soldier, I will make sure to bounce this thread so that everyone can be reminded that just because you are 13, or 15, does not mean you cannot be a terrorist who needs to be neutralized.

Which one? There are two Expats on this forum now. Expat1 & Expat2 (sock puppet)

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Expat2

[Expat1 971]

What is not a lie and will never be a lie:

Pisgat Ze'ev (Hebrew: פסגת זאב‎, lit. Ze'ev's Peak) is an Israeli settlement in East Jerusalem and the largest residential neighborhood in Jerusalem with a population of over 50,000. Pisgat Ze'ev was established by Israel as one of the city's five Ring Neighborhoods on land effectively annexed after the 1967 Six Day War. The international community considers Israeli settlements in East Jerusalem illegal under international law, but the Israeli government disputes this.

America and the American government (also) does not consider this to be inside the borders of Israel.

These are American values:

1. Right to property

2. Right to self-defense

3. Right to equal protection under the law

Also not a lie

When an "ally" takes property that is not theirs, oppresses the people there, denies them equal protection under their own laws, then that "ally" does not share our values.

Also not a lie.

No matter the justification for taking something that does not belong to you, violently oppressing the people you took it from, then calling the people "terrorists" who are defending themselves from you the above will always be true. Otherwise, while I believe we should actively support the Israeli right to defend themselves in their borders, we should not support or buy into the violations of human rights that routinely occur outside them, we should not provide money to pay for it, we should not provide weapons to do it, and we should have the same level of sympathy for those who get killed doing it as we should have for someone killed in the act of a home invasion (zero for the dimmer lights on the street).

Edited October 17, 2015 by Expat1

[OriZ 3,157]

Really who cares what the "international community" 'considers' legal or illegal as it has proven time and time again several things;

1. They are hypocrites when it comes to Israel.

2. They don't know squat.

So their opinion is kind of irrelevant. What's relevant is truth and history.

Btw you pretend like stabbings or shootings have happened only in "settlements' which is not true. Alot of them happen even in the "internationally recognized" borders.

[Expat1 971]

Really who cares what the "international community" 'considers' legal or illegal

Sums it up

We have our own belief systems, and the actions of neither side reflect them. Only one side is propped up by our tax dollars however.

Since that side doesn't care, my view is that we should pull out and not do business there.

It wouldn't be the first despotic regime we walked away from and left to swing in the wind.

Edited October 19, 2015 by Expat1

[Expat1 971]

Really who cares what the "international community" 'considers' legal or illegal as it has proven time and time again several things;

1. They are hypocrites when it comes to Israel.

2. They don't know squat.

So their opinion is kind of irrelevant. What's relevant is truth and history.

Btw you pretend like stabbings or shootings have happened only in "settlements' which is not true. Alot of them happen even in the "internationally recognized" borders.

I pretended nothing of the sort. Stabbings happen in everyone's borders. When they do, the perpetrator of those stabbings, when caught, and tried, is brought to justice. That criminal pays for that criminal's action. That also reflects our values. We expect nothing different from our civilized allies. Unfortunately you have neglected to refer to these events, instead choosing to focus on what happens outside, not inside, those borders.

It is for this reason only that these events are viewed as self-defense and viewed as brought on by the actions of the aggressors.

Edited October 19, 2015 by Expat1

[decocker 7,198]

Sums it up

We have our own belief systems, and the actions of neither side reflect them. Only one side is propped up by our tax dollars however.

Since that side doesn't care, my view is that we should pull out and not do business there.

It wouldn't be the first despotic regime we walked away from and left to swing in the wind.

[OriZ 3,157]

I pretended nothing of the sort. Stabbings happen in everyone's borders. When they do, the perpetrator of those stabbings, when caught, and tried, is brought to justice. That criminal pays for that criminal's action. That also reflects our values. We expect nothing different from our civilized allies. Unfortunately you have neglected to refer to these events, instead choosing to focus on what happens outside, not inside, those borders.

It is for this reason only that these events are viewed as self-defense and viewed as brought on by the actions of the aggressors.

Sweet dreams guys...sweet dreams.

[OriZ 3,157]

Hey what's some more lies, libel and propaganda.

In many of the cases, the propaganda that comes out of the Palestinian Authority fails to show the full picture, like in a video released by the Palestinian Ministry Of Information on Monday, which presents terrorists who committed some of the recent stabbing attacks, as well as rioters wounded in clashes, as innocent victims shot by Israeli security forces.

The PA-sanctioned video makes no mention of the fact the Palestinians shown have murdered or tried to murder Israelis, and the only images shown are of these terrorists after they were neutralized, lying on the ground with Israeli police or soldiers standing over them.

The video shows a Jew branded as a settler, with the text "Israeli settler militants execute Palestinian children on the streets."

The Palestinian propaganda machine also makes use of social media, like Facebook and Twitter, to convey its messages through Palestinian officials and other public figures. Every Palestinian attacker that is killed is presented as a person who was executed by Israel, with no mention of his or her actions. The same applies for official Palestinian media, including public television and radio, both run by the government of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4713458,00.html

So, you want to keep believing everything the people that have turned lying into a tradition and a form of art - are telling you - you go right ahead.

I'll stick to the truth.

[OriZ 3,157]

YAWN just another day in the news.

In an outrageous incident of bias, MSNBC / NBC News reporter Ayman Mohyeldin was reporting live from the scene outside Jerusalem’s Old City where a Palestinian dressed in camouflage fatigues and armed with a knife broke through Israeli police lines and was shot dead attempting to escape.

Screenshot: MSNBC

Mohyeldin’s live commentary was such a distortion of reality that NBC News anchorman Jose Diaz-Balart was forced to intervene and correct Mohyeldin’s version of events when confronted with the video footage that had just been taken from the scene.

This included countering Mohyeldin’s claim that the Palestinian he saw running away from police didn’t have a knife in his hand. As seen from this screenshot of the footage, this was clearly wrong.

http://honestreporting.com/nbc-news-bias-exposed/

The PA lies to defend terror

PA presents Palestinian terrorist murderers

as victims of Israeli “executions in cold blood,”

and shootings and stabbings as Israeli “pretexts” to kill

Terrorist who stabbed 2, critically wounding a 13-year-old,

said to be victim of Israeli “execution”

Stabber who knifed 3 on bus

was “attacked and executed in cold blood”

PA terror glorification continues:

Shooters killing one and wounding several on bus

are “Martyrs” who carried out

“a shooting and stabbing operation”

http://www.palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=157&doc_id=15885

[decocker 7,198]

good lord. you do realize that you're posting propaganda in response to propaganda as definitive 'truth'.

considering how much money america gives israel, any american who believes they're getting the truth on the current violence-without slant- is an idiot.

palestinian media watch, lmfao. "honest reporting - defending israel from media bias" lol. we give israel all the moneys, we need the bias for israel to keep getting our $$$$