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the cbp told sveta and I this past summer that next summer sveta can apply for citizenship since we would be married 3 years. cbp also stated sveta can have duo-citizenship with ukraine and when we question him about ukraine as rule not allow his reply was " the relationship with both countries ukraine will allow duo-citizenship with the usa " , but when I read the department of state website about it it is allowed. But on the n-400 app I read ( I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate,

state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; )
sveta not want give up ukraine so any advice?



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the cbp told sveta and I this past summer that next summer sveta can apply for citizenship since we would be married 3 years. cbp also stated sveta can have duo-citizenship with ukraine and when we question him about ukraine as rule not allow his reply was " the relationship with both countries ukraine will allow duo-citizenship with the usa " , but when I read the department of state website about it it is allowed. But on the n-400 app I read ( I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate,

state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; )

sveta not want give up ukraine so any advice?

The U.S. does not recognize dual citizenship and only considers you to be a US citizen.

However they don't care if you have another passport or if other countries consider you a citizen.

They will not take away your Ukrainian passport but they require you to sweat that you will be loyal to the U.S.

You just need to check the Ukrainian laws. If the Ukraine allows you to have two citizenships then you'll be fine.


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The U.S. does not recognize dual citizenship and only considers you to be a US citizen.

However they don't care if you have another passport or if other countries consider you a citizen.

They will not take away your Ukrainian passport but they require you to sweat that you will be loyal to the U.S.

You just need to check the Ukrainian laws. If the Ukraine allows you to have two citizenships then you'll be fine.

per dos website

http://travel.state.gov/content/travel/english/legal-considerations/us-citizenship-laws-policies/citizenship-and-dual-nationality/dual-nationality.html

the U.S. Government recognizes that dual nationality exists but does not encourage it as a matter of policy because of the problems it may cause. Claims of other countries on dual national U.S. nationals may conflict with U.S. law, and dual nationality may limit U.S. Government efforts to assist nationals abroad. The country where a dual national is located generally has a stronger claim to that person's allegiance.

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As long as Ukraine recognizes her dual citizenship, she won't lose her Ukrainian citizenship. The US only requires that you renounce your allegiance, not your citizenship. Therefore, as long as Ukraine still considers her to be a citizen of their country after having become a citizen of another country, she can have a passport for each.

I for example still retain my Dominican citizenship and can renew my Dominican passport if I choose to. Sometimes it's convenient to renew the passport from your home country after being a USC if it is required to reenter your country or if you ever want to travel to a country with different visa requirements. For example, the only time I thought about renewing my Dominican passport was when I wanted to travel to Brazil, because unlike American citizens, Dominican citizens pay a much lower visa fee.

So, if Ukraine requires her to reenter with their passport, she would keep that in mind, but remember that when she becomes a USC she always have to reenter the US with her US passport.


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per dos website

http://travel.state.gov/content/travel/english/legal-considerations/us-citizenship-laws-policies/citizenship-and-dual-nationality/dual-nationality.html

the U.S. Government recognizes that dual nationality exists but does not encourage it as a matter of policy because of the problems it may cause. Claims of other countries on dual national U.S. nationals may conflict with U.S. law, and dual nationality may limit U.S. Government efforts to assist nationals abroad. The country where a dual national is located generally has a stronger claim to that person's allegiance.

Yes that link has all the necessary information. I'm not sure what your question is.

As I said, US law does not recognize dual citizenship. But it doesn't disallow it either. So as you said, the US government doesn't really act on it one way or the other.

From the link you posted: "U.S. law does not mention dual nationality or require a person to choose one nationality or another."

As I said, there is no problem with US law. You just need to see if the Ukraine allows you to have two nationalities or not. If not the Ukraine (not the US) will take away the Ukrainian nationality.

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No idea how it works in Ukraine but from a UK perspective I have never had to make such a declaration so it is meaningless.

Perhaps if I had been Knighted?


“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”

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PS looks like earliest you could file is May 2016


“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”

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the cbp told sveta and I this past summer that next summer sveta can apply for citizenship since we would be married 3 years.

Thing they probably didn't mention is she needs to be a resident for 3 years (-90 days). See Boiler's post above.

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Ukraine does not allow a dual citizenship. Under the Ukrainian law, a person loses his/her Ukrainian citizenship upon obtaining a foreign citizenship. The enforcement of this provision, however, is in a way mute, since termination of the citizenship does not happen automatically. The termination begins from the date of a decree from the President of Ukraine, i.e. the termination happens in a rare instances. That is why Ukrainian oligarchs have dual, triple etc. citizenship without any problem. It wouldn't be a surprise to know that over million of Ukrainians have a dual citizenship.


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I-130 (as part of IR-5 process) - USCIS (Nebraska Service Center)

06/09/14 - sent I-130

06/14/14 - NOA 1

11/14/14 - NOA 2 (5 months)

AOS (Local Office: Denver)

03/24/15 - AOS packet sent via USPS Priority Mail (I-485, I-765 & I-131 w/ approved I-130)

03/26/15 - package delivered according to USPS website

04/01/15 - email notifying the AOS package has been received

04/02/15 - an AOS fee withdrawn from a bank account

04/09/15 - received hard copies of all three NOAs (NOAs dated 04/01/15)

04/28/15 - Biometrics

05/08/15 - online status changed to "Case is ready to be scheduled for an interview"

05/18/15 - online status changed to I-765 approved-wait the card in the mail (no change for I-131) (80 days)

05/19/15 - received EAD/AP in the mail

05/28/15 - online status changed to "As of June 28, case is ready to be scheduled for an interview." This is the second time of such change since 05/08/15.

07/05/15 - online status changed to "As of July 5, case is ready to be scheduled for an interview." How many times are they going to update that status, I wonder?

12/18/15 - still waiting!!! For almost 9 months now (261 days from AOS NOA, 234 days from Biometrics).

01/14/16 - submitted "out-of-normal processing time" inquiry and called USCIS that stated the case is still at NBC and "inquiry" should answer why there is such delay.

01/15/16 - 294 days since the AOS was received by the USCIS; 262 days from the biometrics.

01/28/16 - [day 309] received response to case status inquiry (processed on 01/23/15) - "your case is waiting to be scheduled for interview," so wait another 90 days [sigh].

02/21/16 - [day 332] interview scheduled for 03/24/16 [363 days from the receipt of petition].

02/24/16 - [day 363] AOS interview. Approval on the spot.

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Ukraine does not allow a dual citizenship. Under the Ukrainian law, a person loses his/her Ukrainian citizenship upon obtaining a foreign citizenship. The enforcement of this provision, however, is in a way mute, since termination of the citizenship does not happen automatically. The termination begins from the date of a decree from the President of Ukraine, i.e. the termination happens in a rare instances. That is why Ukrainian oligarchs have dual, triple etc. citizenship without any problem. It wouldn't be a surprise to know that over million of Ukrainians have a dual citizenship.

Yes, the USA won't tell Ukraine. So just keep it hush-hush over there.


Entry on VWP to visit then-boyfriend 06/13/2011

Married 06/24/2011

Our first son was born 10/31/2012, our daughter was born 06/30/2014, our second son was born 06/20/2017

AOS Timeline

AOS package mailed 09/06/2011 (Chicago Lockbox)

AOS package signed for by R Mercado 09/07/2011

Priority date for I-485&I-130 09/08/2011

Biometrics done 10/03/2011

Interview letter received 11/18/2011

INTERVIEW DATE!!!! 12/20/2011

Approval e-mail 12/21/2011

Card production e-mail 12/27/2011

GREEN CARD ARRIVED 12/31/2011

Resident since 12/21/2011

ROC Timeline

ROC package mailed to VSC 11/22/2013

NOA1 date 11/26/2013

Biometrics date 12/26/2013

Transfer notice to CSC 03/14/2014

Change of address 03/27/2014

Card production ordered 04/30/2014

10-YEAR GREEN CARD ARRIVED 05/06/2014

N-400 Timeline

N-400 package mailed 09/30/2014

N-400 package delivered 10/01/2014

NOA1 date 10/20/2014

Biometrics date 11/14/2014

Early walk-in biometrics 11/12/2014

In-line for interview 11/23/2014

Interview letter 03/18/2015

Interview date 04/17/2015 ("Decision cannot yet be made.")

In-line for oath scheduling 05/04/2015

Oath ceremony letter dated 05/11/2015

Oath ceremony 06/02/2015

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