MARRIAGE FRAUD

[john_and_marlene 162]

dmartmar,

I had no idea you're an Anti-fraud investigator for USCIS!

I'm not. I just speak from firsthand experience.

First off, I don't want to ride you, because I am aware of your experience and I know that it can be a very hurtful and painful experience that many would have a diifficult time understanding. I also would not find it surprising that scars that can form as a result, but my point was that it's your firsthand experience, and not necessarily to be applied in the general sense.

The great majority of aliens enter into marriage and remain in it for as long as it is necessary with the sole purpose of gaining immigration benefits. Others move out and change their address with the PO, but not with the USCIS right after the USCsubmitting the AOS paperwork, as to make it seem if they're still remaining

When you make sweeping statements like above, it appears that you aren't restricting it only to your specific case, but to many if not most. And that's not accurate, in the first place, and not just either. There is no doubt that some aliens might contemplate entering marriage for the sole purpose of immigration benefit, in fact, the regulations are written in the way that they are as a by-product of a percentage of aliens that have done just that. Some of those aliens are also savvy enough to realise how to navigate the process so that they achieve their goal. That can include aliens that remain married just long enough to secure the residency and not a moment longer. It's not that I do not agree with what you are saying, but it's a hazard to state it in such a way that is appears to represent a large body of people.

P.S. In the event of an alien moving and only placing a forwarding order with the Post Office and not with USCIS, if USCIS sends notification of approval of the GC without an interview, and if the envelope bears certain language it cannot be forwarded and would be returned to the Service Centre, which would alert USCIS to look into the matter with a little more scrutiny. Now, I'm not saying that all notifications are mailed this way, because I happen to know they aren't, but some are.

1994 was the last year that the INS systematically collected marriage fraud statistics. In 1994 they found 6% to be fraud.

[LostInIllinois 1]

Many states will not allow mutual Orders of Protection. Depending on the laws in your state, if you received the first Order of Protection, then her OP will be not legal, and thus invalid. Push this one in court with your lawyer. The laws in some states are very, very clear about mutual Orders of Protection.

Fight her OP tooth and nail. Beware, many states allow the seeker of the OP to get "emergancy support". One more reason to fight it.

Good luck.

[JayJay 4]

The great majority of aliens enter into marriage and remain in it for as long as it is necessary with the sole purpose of gaining immigration benefits. Others move out and change their address with the PO, but not with the USCIS right after the USCsubmitting the AOS paperwork, as to make it seem if they're still remaining

That's absolutely dog-gone-dar-garn (or whatever) hilarious!

No seriously.

That really is a good one - I assume you're joking?

Or hold up - I don't know - I won't jump to conclusions - could it be that you've married several thousand people from another country and done a survey? I mean anything is possible, right?

Is it possible that you're taking your own (and other cases , selectively picked because of your own bad times - which I AM sorry you've had to go through) experience and assumed that that scenario applies to "the vast majority" of other foreigners? Surely nobody would be that blinkered...

You know what: I hope you heal well, and properly, and find a wonderful woman to grow old with. Living with this kind of cynicism has got to be bad for the blood pressure.

[babybunny 2]

The great majority of aliens enter into marriage and remain in it for as long as it is necessary with the sole purpose of gaining immigration benefits. Others move out and change their address with the PO, but not with the USCIS right after the USCsubmitting the AOS paperwork, as to make it seem if they're still remaining

That's absolutely dog-gone-dar-garn (or whatever) hilarious!

No seriously.

That really is a good one - I assume you're joking?

Or hold up - I don't know - I won't jump to conclusions - could it be that you've married several thousand people from another country and done a survey? I mean anything is possible, right?

Is it possible that you're taking your own (and other cases , selectively picked because of your own bad times - which I AM sorry you've had to go through) experience and assumed that that scenario applies to "the vast majority" of other foreigners? Surely nobody would be that blinkered...

You know what: I hope you heal well, and properly, and find a wonderful woman to grow old with. Living with this kind of cynicism has got to be bad for the blood pressure.

sometimes when you get Burned by an immigrant when you went thought this mess

and you loved them with all your heart this just plain hurts. lord knows i crossed that bridge more than enough. my heart goes to the OP and to dave. I hope they can heal. because not all immigrants are shyitts.

[JayJay 4]

Oh, totally shon, I agree - I am just dismayed and rather sad to think that this gentleman is lashing out in this kind of way - it makes me think he must be very sad - and that's no good. Life's going to throw you a ton of rubbish in the years you're standing, and you're not always going to be able to dodge all of it. I guess my view, after being a very sad person myself for a long time, is that it's just better to try to be as flexible in your mind as possible, in the pursuit of true happiness. I don't know if that makes any sense or not!

[babybunny 2]

Oh, totally shon, I agree - I am just dismayed and rather sad to think that this gentleman is lashing out in this kind of way - it makes me think he must be very sad - and that's no good. Life's going to throw you a ton of rubbish in the years you're standing, and you're not always going to be able to dodge all of it. I guess my view, after being a very sad person myself for a long time, is that it's just better to try to be as flexible in your mind as possible, in the pursuit of true happiness. I don't know if that makes any sense or not!

Jay Jay so very true.

Sometimes the pain is deeper than what your mind can absorb. Even the most rational open minded person has their breaking point. when I got hurt I considered taking Zolofts- my Dr gave me. then I realized I wont let some man make me become dependant on medication. I snapped out of it. never in my life did I think I would be talking some anti-depressent.

[JayJay 4]

Yup, I totally agree - breaking points I have come across as well - thankfully though, once you hit rock bottom, "there's no way but up" as they say - I had a total nervous breakdown at one point and it rang true for me. Hope it's true for this guy too - you sound as though you were able to bounce back like a basketball, and that's lovely

[Eva Malahova 0]

I think that lifestyle is so different in Russia vs. US, that a lot of people over there think money just falls on your pretty head once you cross the border. I come from Russia, but I moved here as a kid, I'll tell you I had the hardest time adjusting. I can imagine that for an adult it is even harder.

Whether they mean to have a "green card marriage" or it just turns that way once they get here it is hard to tell. There are bad people everywhere, but from my experience no one should rash into inter-cultural marriage until you know for a fact that you can actually understand each other’s ways.

I am sorry to disappoint everyone here but 86% of married couples I knew American Russian have divorced within 5 years, only a few keep it together.

Good luck to everyone who is on a long road to each other. Let's hope that road does not become longer once you get here.

I would report suspected fraud to INS, let them decide if they want to become involved. But I am not so sure it is a fraud in this situation, perhaps she needs more attention and is scared of every day routine.

Best of luck!

Eva

[Nikita2Charles 31]

Krassyvaya Photos EVA malahova

I think there should be a class or some counseling session as part of the requirement for people thinking about going through cross cultural marriages. IT's very difficult for someone to live their country, places they are familiar with to move thousand of miles away. When all the Glizty, all the crushes, and the Immigration headache is all said and one, now the real life situation starts. what will keep the marriage is HOW CLOSED are you guys to each other, start with being good friends to your partner, respect each other, I am the USC, we had our rough days, but the friendship and the love that we share for each other, at times when you are fighting Love is the last thing you see in front of you, but once all the confusion, miscommunication is all cleared up, that friendship, that Bond that bring you back together will recandle the romance, and looking back at those fights, you start asking yourself

why did I ask so stupid.

Dear friend, don't be bitter by your experience with your fiancee/wife, Put your faith into God's hand, not all foreigners are there for green card, it just take a lot more hard work to make the marriage work.

[dmartmar 1]

That's absolutely dog-gone-dar-garn (or whatever) hilarious!

No seriously.

That really is a good one - I assume you're joking?

Or hold up - I don't know - I won't jump to conclusions - could it be that you've married several thousand people from another country and done a survey? I mean anything is possible, right?

Is it possible that you're taking your own (and other cases , selectively picked because of your own bad times - which I AM sorry you've had to go through) experience and assumed that that scenario applies to "the vast majority" of other foreigners? Surely nobody would be that blinkered... no0pb.gif

You know what: I hope you heal well, and properly, and find a wonderful woman to grow old with. Living with this kind of cynicism has got to be bad for the blood pressure.

Oh, totally shon, I agree - I am just dismayed and rather sad to think that this gentleman is lashing out in this kind of way - it makes me think he must be very sad - and that's no good. Life's going to throw you a ton of rubbish in the years you're standing, and you're not always going to be able to dodge all of it. I guess my view, after being a very sad person myself for a long time, is that it's just better to try to be as flexible in your mind as possible, in the pursuit of true happiness. I don't know if that makes any sense or not! tongue.gif

Yup, I totally agree - breaking points I have come across as well - thankfully though, once you hit rock bottom, "there's no way but up" as they say - I had a total nervous breakdown at one point and it rang true for me. Hope it's true for this guy too - you sound as though you were able to bounce back like a basketball, and that's lovely.

Jayjay,

I am not angry, nor bitter towards my immigrant ex-wife for what she put me through, neither am I sad about the whole situation any longer either. What happened is already past history and I've completely healed from it by now.

All of my posts are based on both my personal experience and those of others I have read and/or learned about in the last year or so since I began my journey that have followed the same patterns and actions surrounding their fraudulent marriages and mines, whether coincidentally or not. Just too many similarly different experiences, if you know what I mean.

Just as you used your brother's personal experience to justify and/or defend the OP's statements, so do we all.

Matter of fact, this situation (the OP's) and mine are exactly the same, word by word and action by action.

[jen&darcy 0]

Back to the original post, instead of the bickering between people, ccdr14 I am truly sorry this has happened to you. Good luck getting this resolved and continue to keep us updated.

Take care,

Jen

[mrs.jenjen 0]

ccdr14 I'm sorry this has happened to you. I actually laughed out loud when you said that she is claiming that you are a bad husband because you wouldn't let her buy clothes or hygeine products. If thats the case, then my husband is the worst husband ever! I'm pregnant, have no maternity clothes (in fact, I've started wearing HIS clothes now!) and have been using walmart own brand shampoo for practically everything. Its very versatile, don't ya know

Everyone knows that the first year of marriage is the hardest, especially when you throw immigration and not being able to work into the mix. Personally, I'm more than happy to cut coupons, wear his clothes and make sacrifices if it means we have a roof over our head and some ramen noodles to eat!! Its a pity your wife doesn't see things from the same view point. I don't care what sacrifices we have to make, because I know in a few years time we will be that much stronger because of them - financially and as a couple.

I'm no expert, but I'd start a journal documenting all the unreasonable demands she made on you, detailing all the things you did pay to give her a stable home (rent, bills, car, groceries, medical expenses etc) and all the attempts you made to make the marriage work. If you have it all down on paper, you will be able to make a much stronger case to the USCIS and you will have it all that much clearer in your own mind. But most of all, you'll be able to see for yourself that you did everything you could possibly have done in the circumstances.

Not everyone has the same agenda as your (ex)wife. Most of us ARE here for the right reasons. So please don't let this experience stop you from finding genuine happiness in the future.