some people make my blood boil

[perfect 39]

Many of you may remember I told you about an acquaintance who married a woman who was living and working illegally in the US and they didn't file to adjust status. They were caught in May 2006 trying to cross the border back to the USA having visited her family south of the border and she was given voluntary departure.

Well...they have decided that they can't wait for the process to run its course for a spousal visa in Mexico and are saying "she has a means to get here in the next couple of days" and she will return here to live with her sister (who is also here illegally) so it doesn't look as though she is here married and out of status, and "wait until she becomes legal". The husband says she won't work, he will support her, blah, blah blah.

His point is that God's law is higher than man's and says that they don't have to follow immigration law because "God wants his family to be together, not apart" in the context of "what God has yoked together let no man put asunder". He also states that it's ok because there are hundreds of other Christians who are here illegally in the area in which he lives.

That makes my blood boil. If you're claiming to be Christian at least be upright and law-abiding, even if there are laws that you don't like. His current situation is self-created and even now they don't want to take the consequences of their previous bad choices!!!

Assuming that she does come, what if she gets caught again? What would the likely consequences be? They don't seem to be considering any of this at all.

I have to see these people every week at service and am having real difficulty, knowing that I have to speak to and treat them as a good Christian would, and yet feeling so irritated by their complete disregard for the laws of this country and feeling that they're being very hypocritical in their "Christianity".

My husband can't understand why I'm so annoyed about it. Am I over-reacting and being unreasonable? I do feel passionately about immigration and doing it properly, because we had to and it chaps my butt to see other people so blatantly NOT!

Sorry for the rant...

Edited December 22, 2006 by perfect

[GaryC 7]

Many of you may remember I told you about an acquaintance who married a woman who was living and working illegally in the US and they didn't file to adjust status. They were caught in May 2006 trying to cross the border back to the USA having visited her family south of the border and she was given voluntary departure.

Well...they have decided that they can't wait for the process to run its course for a spousal visa in Mexico and are saying "she has a means to get here in the next couple of days" and she will return here to live with her sister (who is also here illegally) so it doesn't look as though she is here married and out of status, and "wait until she becomes legal". The husband says she won't work, he will support her, blah, blah blah.

His point is that God's law is higher than man's and says that they don't have to follow immigration law because "God wants his family to be together, not apart" in the context of "what God has yoked together let no man put asunder". He also states that it's ok because there are hundreds of other Christians who are here illegally in the area in which he lives.

That makes my blood boil. If you're claiming to be Christian at least be upright and law-abiding, even if there are laws that you don't like. His current situation is self-created and even now they don't want to take the consequences of their previous bad choices!!!

Assuming that she does come, what if she gets caught again? What would the likely consequences be? They don't seem to be considering any of this at all.

I have to see these people every week at service and am having real difficulty, knowing that I have to speak to and treat them as a good Christian would, and yet feeling so irritated by their complete disregard for the laws of this country and feeling that they're being very hypocritical in their "Christianity".

My husband can't understand why I'm so annoyed about it. Am I over-reacting and being unreasonable? I do feel passionately about immigration and doing it properly, because we had to and it chaps my butt to see other people so blatantly NOT!

Sorry for the rant...

I understand and agree with you. We are doing things by the book and they are cutting in line. If it really bothers you that bad then drop a dime on them.

[Ban Hammer 14,414]

His point is that God's law is higher than man's and says that they don't have to follow immigration law because "God wants his family to be together, not apart" in the context of "what God has yoked together let no man put asunder".

the bible also states that one should render unto caesar what is due to caesar, which indicates one should follow the law (pay taxes, etc).

using their version of the bible to rationalize breaking the law is a cheap excuse.

[SoL. 0]

After being thru this process, which can be very frustrating and doing it "as it should be done" I would be uncomfy myself with the situation as you are. They can be together doing it the right way too, like many of us have done... I think....

[edsperfect 25]

His point is that God's law is higher than man's and says that they don't have to follow immigration law because "God wants his family to be together, not apart" in the context of "what God has yoked together let no man put asunder".

the bible also states that one should render unto caesar what is due to caesar, which indicates one should follow the law (pay taxes, etc).

using their version of the bible to rationalize breaking the law is a cheap excuse.

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People have a tendancy to rationlize anyway they wish too. I believe there should be a two year fedferal jail term for entering illegally or overstaying your visa. What good does a law do if it relies solely on the good will of the person and holds no penalty for brteaking it

[Fandango 1,440]

it's the sense of entitlement that infuriates me

[perfect 39]

I know, that was one scripture I quoted to them but he says it's his choice whether or not he obeys because man's only has control of people temporarily where as God is in control forever.

I asked him whether that meant he could choose to obey traffic laws and the like and that my "take" on things is that whilst man is in control we have to obey their laws as long as they don't conflict with God's laws.

He then said he had to go home!

I DO understand that he wants to be with his wife, but they made the situation whereby she got deported - that's their own fault - in the context of you reap what you sow! Funny how people twist things to suit themselves and then can't even see their own stupid way of reasoning.

What would happen if she did get caught again? Would she get a longer ban than she did with Voluntary Departure (she got 6 months and was told to apply for Spousal Visa)?

[Sofiyya 1,687]

it's the sense of entitlement that infuriates me

That gets me too, and it's probably what fuels my attitude about illegal aliens. When I saw those marches last spring with people waving Mexican flags, demanding American rights paid for by working taxpayers like me, I was livid! They could not have done more to raise the ire of the citizenry, and for that, I'm thankful. Illegal emigrants have been a growing problem for decades, primarily due to the greed of business and the acquiesance of government. At least there is a national dialogue about it now.

I'm not Christian, but Islam teaches us to obey the law of the land we live in. I remind other Muslims of that frequently.

Have any of you contacted the Catholic Church or the ACLU to let them know that you have noticed that they are not as interested in the human and civil rights of law abiders as they are in the rights of lawbreakers, and their something very immoral about that? I have.

Edited December 22, 2006 by szsz

[Sinergy 3]

The thing that pisses me off, and ive seen alot of it infront of my own eyes and heard it as well, is that illegal immigrants seem to think they have some kind of RIGHT to be here since they actually made it across the boarder either alive or without being caught.especially if they have been here for years without getting caught.ive actually seen some being proud of themselves for not being caught. it pisses me off, especially after the long process me and edi went thru to get him here. so i feel your anger.

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Nothing like using God as an excuse to do something wrong. Christians can piss me off sometimes (yes I am considered one but don't like to call myself one because of people like this).

God's law is higher than man's...pfft, yeah that may be true, but don't use it an excuse to do wrong.

I don't think you are over-reacting, I don't even know the guy and my blood is boiling.

P.s. Long time no talk, hope everyone is doing well.

[Fandango 1,440]

it's the sense of entitlement that infuriates me

That gets me too, and it's probably what fuels my attitude about illegal aliens. When I saw those marches last spring with people waving Mexican flags, demanding American rights paid for by working taxpayers like me, I was livid! They could not have done more to raise the ire of the citizenry, and for that, I'm thankful. Illegal emigrants have been a growing problem for decades, primarily due to the greed of business and the acquiesance of government. At least there is a national dialogue about it now.

Exactly!

I don't get gov't backed health insurance. And I was born here.

Edited December 22, 2006 by LisaD

[TracyLuis 0]

Maybe if the immigration process (done legally) wasn't so darn expensive and didn't take so darn long, there wouldn't be so many illegals....

Just a thought.

And no, I don't believe we are entitled to break the law because we are Christians. It's not cool to pick and choose verses from the Bible to best suit our circumstances.

Let the debate continue!

[kim&james 0]

oh I feel sorry for you havig to face this sort of #######...

Its fairly obvious on this site that none of us support illegal immigration, and the longer I am here in the States the more that I see how bad and unfair the situation is. The help and support that an illegal living here has is incredible.

To use christian belief/scripture as a reason to justify their actions is hypocracy at its best....

Even though you have to see these people at church, make them aware that you do not support their actions and leave it at that..

I would just love to know how she is getting back into the country? is it really going to be that easy?