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[Aisha& Wajid 10]

Hi everyone we got letter today i which they ask few question

They ask us to submit answer in 30 days there objection were following:

.The petitioner is 12 years old then beneficiary,why?
.The petitioner and benifecry were married twice.
.The petitioner were married twice before to foreign nationals whom he petition for immigrant to us both time under spousal category.
.The beneficiary could not credibly answer any question in regards to the petitioners life style and general preference.
The petitioner married to beneficiary after 10 months of his divorce to his second wife and they live for 4 year and still dont have any child why?

The beneficiary stated that their marriage has not been consummated.

plz vj members help me now what should i do now?As in my family we have tradition to marry girl to almost double of her age .

I dont think that in US law a man has to married so not in pakistan .

Yes he married twice to foreign ladies and off course he apply in this category because they were his wife.

They didnt ask me any question regarding his lifestyle and any general preference .

where in any law written that they must have kids some people dont have any kids on lifetime.

And where in the book law its written that my hubby cant marry me when he left his 2nd wife.

Off course in our family and tradition nikkah is the main thing and we call this a complete marriage.And we were accepting there positive response from them.We didnt think this night mare in our dreams.So how can at that time we make wedding but i have prove now that wedding night were done we spend honey moon and the we stay with each other about month then after some time he again visit to me .I can now have prove.Here are thoso question which they ask :

Here are answer of those question which i remember :

1. How do you meet?

Ans:We know each other since ten years.

2. so why dont you merry that time?

Ans. In first time he dicide to marry first by his choice rether then his family recomendation then in secoend time my family already dicided to marry me to some one eles. Then finally third time we both dicide to marry.

3. How long you marry both times in your marriage?

Ans. 3 months

4.Why 3 months?

Ans. because the 1st one was mentally not well and the second one physically tourchered me.

5.Do you know why he left his both wifes ?

Ans. He always ready to tell me about that but i am not intrested in knowing the reason.

6.Did he send you money?

Ans. Yes

7.How much?

Ans.40 to 50 thousand rs.

8.He did not see his previous wife since 10 months so he left her so he didnt see you since 15 months so how can you say he cant leave you/

Ans. I trust on him and i know that he will not going to do this with me.

9.Did your parents give him money?

Ans. no not a single penny.

10.How he go there were there his family live too/

Ans. yes his family live there.

11.Did you both have your wedding night?

Ans. no

12.Then how you can say this is marriage?

ans. well in my family and in our tradtions nikkah its self called marriage.

13.so you dont meet your husband since then?

Ans. yes

14.So you have no typical relationship with your husband which is common between husband and wife?

Ans. Yes

Then this is not marriage.

Now help me vj members what should we do now.

[Penguin_ie 5,994]

**** Moving from K3 to CR-1 spousal visa forum ****

They think your relationship is for immigration purposes/ is fraud. This is a very serious issue. You have several red flags- the age is one, but you being his third wife is a huge one, it looks like he is bringing women over for greencards. You will need to prove not only that you are in a genuine relationship, but also that the previous two marriages he had were genuine and that he just has incredibly bad luck in women so far. It is also considered odd that you do not know anything about his previous marriages- spouses genera;ly know about eachother's past.

It would be better if your husband came on here and gave information, because some of your writing is difficult to understand... for example, is it correct that all your marriages lasted only 3 months? What does "I dont think that in US law a man has to married so not in pakistan" mean?

[Ivy. 113]

If I remember correctly, I-130 instructions talk about marriage consummation as a vital part of determining if the marriage is considered legit for immigration purposes. I tried double checking this for you but could not open the instructions .pdf of this device.

Check there, if it is so then you saying you "didnt have the wedding night" gave them the perfect excuse to dismiss a case that is full of red flags to begin with. :/

[Aisha& Wajid 10]

He has prove of that his both previous marriages were genuine and even his 2nd ex- wife ready to answer any question regarding there marriage.How could we prove that our marriage is genuine .We already send them our marriage album in which we also show our relatives ,emails,call logs,skype call log,pics of gifts that were send by my in laws and him,his both visit to pakistan.We talk to each other on skype and on hone daily some time it so long that it goes on hour atleast,his 2nd ex wife even wrote a letter in which she told them that there marriage was genuine and she left him after some time because she was not have any mental understanding with him,as far as knowing about his past yes he was ready to tell me but i dont want want to know any thing about his past,yes my both marriages live only for three months as i can give reason why they each last only for three months every time and i this mean that i want to right that is there any us law in which they mention that any us citizen cannot marry to any pakistani woman for third time.Thanks for help We still odnt know what should we do now as we have only 27 days left to answer them now.

[Aisha& Wajid 10]

So IVY here in pakistan we have lot of family i personally know they dont have wedding night uptill now why only me have to face this problem,lot of girls or women waiting for visa without having wedding night in this country they got visa easily but not me why?Is third marriage is crime or a person married to same country woman thrice is crime ?now after my interview we have our wedding night and our honeymoon even .

[Aisha& Wajid 10]

PENGUIN-IE in my family it is tradition that a woman has to marry to a man double to her age and i cant break this even if i had daughter i wii surely marry her a man double to her age .I will also not break this tradtion.

[Penguin_ie 5,994]

Part of your answer should include that then- a letter of explanation of this tradition and a listing of your mom/ grandmom/ other family members who married men twice their age. That being said, if he is 12 years older than you, he is clearly not twice your age.

[belinda63 3,038]

I don't think in Pakistan the age would be a big factor although I would address it. The big thing is why haven't you consummated the marriage? I looks, from what immigration wrote, that you are doing this just for the green card. You have not had sex with him and you know little about his past. He has only come to see you twice? Big red flags. Really, you've been married for four years and have not slept together?

[Aisha& Wajid 10]

who said that we haven't slept together i told already that he visited me twice and we have that rukhsati part and we spend two months together.I have prove of it and i did not marry him for immigration or that stupid green card i just need my husband and want to start our life.thats it.And BELINDA age is not big difference in pakistan the us people has the issue.the person sitting in the embassy has problem with it.

Edited June 22, 2013 by Aisha& Wajid

[Aisha& Wajid 10]

Yes i will explain this tradition and let me tel you my mother and dad has 8 years difference,so as my grandmother they have 9 years difference and while my sister have 6 to 8 year difference and my cousin she and her husband has 11 years age difference.i am 40 and he is 52 this is the difference.and the list goes on and on and most of the people are now not in the world.But still i can give them a list.like my sis is 30 and my brother in law is 39.My great grand mom was 15 years of age difference.I have prove of every thing.

Edited June 22, 2013 by Aisha& Wajid

[Ivy. 113]

So IVY here in pakistan we have lot of family i personally know they dont have wedding night uptill now why only me have to face this problem,lot of girls or women waiting for visa without having wedding night in this country they got visa easily but not me why?Is third marriage is crime or a person married to same country woman thrice is crime ?now after my interview we have our wedding night and our honeymoon even .

Okay, so I looked it up now from a PC. This is for marriages via proxy:

Who May Not File Form I-130?

4. A husband or wife, if you and your spouse were not both physically present at the marriage ceremony, and the marriage was not consummated.

I don't know enough about Pakistani culture to know if this is normal or not. I am coming from a Catholic European country, so there is no big difference between "mainstream Croatia" and "mainstream US". However, I would want to know why my husband's prior marriages failed. I appreciate that you believe it's his problem, but my interest would be to see if it could affect *MY* marriage. For example, if they got divorced because he worked 3 jobs and was never home, I would want to see that he has changed that and it will not happen with us.

It seems we may have problem understanding what you mean. When you wrote this:

11.Did you both have your wedding night?

Ans. no

12.Then how you can say this is marriage?

ans. well in my family and in our tradtions nikkah its self called marriage.

13.so you dont meet your husband since then?

Ans. yes

14.So you have no typical relationship with your husband which is common between husband and wife?

Ans. Yes

Then this is not marriage.

.... I took it to mean that the marriage has not been consummated. Also, you rarely see each other and declared you don't have a "typical husband-wife" relationship. From my point of view, the officer made the right decision after these answers.

It is entirely possible that due to cultural/religious differences I am misunderstanding this. Perhaps you could kindly ask a moderator to move your topic to another subforum so that you could receive advice from people from the same geographical region?

Good luck.

[ShirahBet 42]

Hi everyone we got letter today i which they ask few question

They ask us to submit answer in 30 days there objection were following:

.The petitioner is 12 years old then beneficiary,why?

.The petitioner and benifecry were married twice.

.The petitioner were married twice before to foreign nationals whom he petition for immigrant to us both time under spousal category.

.The beneficiary could not credibly answer any question in regards to the petitioners life style and general preference.

The petitioner married to beneficiary after 10 months of his divorce to his second wife and they live for 4 year and still dont have any child why?

The beneficiary stated that their marriage has not been consummated.

plz vj members help me now what should i do now?As in my family we have tradition to marry girl to almost double of her age .

I dont think that in US law a man has to married so not in pakistan .

Yes he married twice to foreign ladies and off course he apply in this category because they were his wife.

They didnt ask me any question regarding his lifestyle and any general preference .

where in any law written that they must have kids some people dont have any kids on lifetime.

And where in the book law its written that my hubby cant marry me when he left his 2nd wife.

Off course in our family and tradition nikkah is the main thing and we call this a complete marriage.And we were accepting there positive response from them.We didnt think this night mare in our dreams.So how can at that time we make wedding but i have prove now that wedding night were done we spend honey moon and the we stay with each other about month then after some time he again visit to me .I can now have prove.Here are thoso question which they ask :

Here are answer of those question which i remember :

1. How do you meet?

Ans:We know each other since ten years.

2. so why dont you merry that time?

Ans. In first time he dicide to marry first by his choice rether then his family recomendation then in secoend time my family already dicided to marry me to some one eles. Then finally third time we both dicide to marry.

3. How long you marry both times in your marriage?

Ans. 3 months

4.Why 3 months?

Ans. because the 1st one was mentally not well and the second one physically tourchered me.

5.Do you know why he left his both wifes ?

Ans. He always ready to tell me about that but i am not intrested in knowing the reason.

6.Did he send you money?

Ans. Yes

7.How much?

Ans.40 to 50 thousand rs.

8.He did not see his previous wife since 10 months so he left her so he didnt see you since 15 months so how can you say he cant leave you/

Ans. I trust on him and i know that he will not going to do this with me.

9.Did your parents give him money?

Ans. no not a single penny.

10.How he go there were there his family live too/

Ans. yes his family live there.

11.Did you both have your wedding night?

Ans. no

12.Then how you can say this is marriage?

ans. well in my family and in our tradtions nikkah its self called marriage.

13.so you dont meet your husband since then?

Ans. yes

14.So you have no typical relationship with your husband which is common between husband and wife?

Ans. Yes

Then this is not marriage.

Now help me vj members what should we do now.

who said that we haven't slept together i told already that he visited me twice and we have that rukhsati part and we spend two months together.I have prove of it and i did not marry him for immigration or that stupid green card i just need my husband and want to start our life.thats it.And BELINDA age is not big difference in pakistan the us people has the issue.the person sitting in the embassy has problem with it.

In your first post, it indicates that the beneficiary stated that the relationship has not been consummated, this means having sex/sleeping together. That is why the other poster indicated that DOS found it strange that you've been married for so long and not slept together.

What you've indicated in your first post as your responses and your current responses are different. People are responding to why the Department of State may have found issue with many answers.

No, there is no law saying that someone can not marry three different Pakistani women at three different times. That's a very literal interpretation of the concerns presented by DOS. You may not WANT to know why your husband was married several times, but for the sake of this, you may have to find out. They are asking you to explain this and if you don't address it, there are minimal hopes for obtaining a visa. You will need to address each of those concerns with detailed explanations rather than with one sentence.

If it helps, write each question on a separate piece of paper and then on each paper, list out the explanations to the question. With the right information, you should be able to fill up each page. Then type, sign, and send in.

[Ivy. 113]

Yes i will explain this tradition and let me tel you my mother and dad has 8 years difference,so as my grandmother they have 9 years difference and while my sister have 6 to 8 year difference and my cousin she and her husband has 11 years age difference.i am 40 and he is 52 this is the difference.and the list goes on and on and most of the people are now not in the world.But still i can give them a list.like my sis is 30 and my brother in law is 39.My great grand mom was 15 years of age difference.I have prove of every thing.

That is nowhere near twice your or the woman's age. If he were twice your age, he would be 80. You being 40 and him being 52 is not a problem at all. The fact that he has been married three times, each times for a foreigner and each time he petitioned for them to move to the US, that's a bigger issue.

[ShirahBet 42]

That is nowhere near twice your or the woman's age. If he were twice your age, he would be 80. You being 40 and him being 52 is not a problem at all. The fact that he has been married three times, each times for a foreigner and each time he petitioned for them to move to the US, that's a bigger issue.

It's a problem because they requested that it be answered, so she does have to address it. But, it appears to be the least of the worries.

[Aisha& Wajid 10]

First of all thank you each and everyone for helping me first to understand the problem and then guide me .now i will answer that yes at the time of interview our marriage was not consummated,as i said earlier that we have proof of his previous marriages that they are genuine and why he left them,even his 2nd ex wife is ready to tell by person that why she took divorce as i talk to her personally, now i know the each and every reason of why he divorce from his previous two marriages,But if his previous marriages were problem then why they indicate my previous marriages.