I-129F Our Relationship Has Been On Again Off Again...

[Lmap 0]

Hi -

I am frontloading my I-129F application. My fiance and I have been in an on and off relationship for 8 years. Our email correspondence reflects the ups and downs of our relationship. I am not sure if I should only include examples of emails when we are getting along perfectly or if I should also include the emails where we are doing poorly and working out our differences. We were broken up for a two year period and I was going to include the emails where we decide to get back together. I thought that would be an important detail for our case considering a natural question will be - why didn't you get married sooner? or why are you getting back together? However, there are a lot of reasons we didn't get married sooner that aren't related to our disagreements, such as my fiance's ailing mother, his children etc. Perhaps it would be better to leave the rocky parts of our relationship out of the application?

Does anybody have any advice here?

Thanks.

[Melina+Rodrigo 2]

I wouldn't add the rocky parts. you also don't have to send every email you guys have sent to each other. 4-5 recent ones will be sufficient.

[Kastrs 723]

You really do not need emails at all, what is most important is to make sure you have filled out all the forms and included your letter of intent to marry for both of you and your payment

A must is proof you have met. The past two years, plane ticket stubs or passport stamps would suffice for that.

[Moomin 292]

It's fine to frontload if it's important due to the embassy.

However, make it perfectly clear what you're trying to establish. While honesty is great, you basically could get the "well, how would we know that you're not just going to break it off after reuniting in the US".

I'd suggest - in the question "how did you meet" - that you mention the latest/newest face-to-face meetings and include proof thereof.

And you can write "see attachment" and attach a piece of paper saying you originally met 8 years ago. Some people include a timeline over their courtship. Rock solid proof of having met in person is what's needed for the petition and it's important not to confuse the adjudicating officer with too much online correspondence. ATleast if you submit it, make sure to separate it from the rest of the meeting-in-person-evidence.

[N-o-l-a 7,168]

Just remember that anything you submit can be used against you. If you submit 100 pages of emails, anything in those emails becomes fair game for the CO to ask your fiance. Use discretion and keep the evidence solid but varied.

[Maxheadspace 49]

Does anybody have any advice here?

Thanks.

Cuban? What about the "one-foot-on-US-soil" rule for Cubans?

[Gricel Y Arturo 0]

Cuban? What about the "one-foot-on-US-soil" rule for Cubans?

This happens a lot with Cuban K-1 Visas.

If a Cuban beneficiary overstays their given Visa, they just need to make it 9 more months and show up for the CAA at one year and one day and they are as good as gold to not get deported.

Thats the law, even if they leave the K1 petitioner high and dry and go hide out in Hialeah.

[Gricel Y Arturo 0]

Hi -

I am frontloading my I-129F application. My fiance and I have been in an on and off relationship for 8 years. Our email correspondence reflects the ups and downs of our relationship. I am not sure if I should only include examples of emails when we are getting along perfectly or if I should also include the emails where we are doing poorly and working out our differences. We were broken up for a two year period and I was going to include the emails where we decide to get back together. I thought that would be an important detail for our case considering a natural question will be - why didn't you get married sooner? or why are you getting back together? However, there are a lot of reasons we didn't get married sooner that aren't related to our disagreements, such as my fiance's ailing mother, his children etc. Perhaps it would be better to leave the rocky parts of our relationship out of the application?

Does anybody have any advice here?

Thanks.

Way, Way too much information for Immigration to know. Start your relationship over from the last (last) time. You will need to go back to Cuba within the last two years and provide proof though and go from there.

8 years? Braver than me!

Good luck!

[baron555 934]

Hi -

I am frontloading my I-129F application. My fiance and I have been in an on and off relationship for 8 years. Our email correspondence reflects the ups and downs of our relationship. I am not sure if I should only include examples of emails when we are getting along perfectly or if I should also include the emails where we are doing poorly and working out our differences. We were broken up for a two year period and I was going to include the emails where we decide to get back together. I thought that would be an important detail for our case considering a natural question will be - why didn't you get married sooner? or why are you getting back together? However, there are a lot of reasons we didn't get married sooner that aren't related to our disagreements, such as my fiance's ailing mother, his children etc. Perhaps it would be better to leave the rocky parts of our relationship out of the application?

Does anybody have any advice here?

Thanks.

Only the last year or two is all that matters.

[Avery Cates 1,141]

I would not include anything regarding relationship turmoils.

[madtownguy 164]

I disagree with some of the posters... The only reason to worry about submitting too much is if it is lies and you can't keep story straight. I think fighting shows the sign of a real relationship. If it's all roses and butterflies to me it seems a little fake. I included fights and things like that which happened during the k1 visa process. One of the three questions she was asked was my name. The other two were hobby and where I live. I think they have general things they look for and you fall into that or you don't.

[Moomin 292]

I disagree with some of the posters... The only reason to worry about submitting too much is if it is lies and you can't keep story straight. I think fighting shows the sign of a real relationship. If it's all roses and butterflies to me it seems a little fake. I included fights and things like that which happened during the k1 visa process. One of the three questions she was asked was my name. The other two were hobby and where I live. I think they have general things they look for and you fall into that or you don't.

It's not about adding chats with fights. It's about adding details of breaking up on/off that easily can be used against you. Basically, the CO has to determine if you are willing to marry and stay married. If there are any signs of doubt and if the relationship is genuine. If the CO is convinced that prior breakups aren't just in the past, or that it's likely to happen again, then too bad - show's over. It's up to the individual - like you or me - how much info you add and to be honest looking back, I probably would've settled for less in the initial petition. However I'd never advise anyone to add anything that later on could potentially backfire.

There's a difference in saying that "we were dating earlier and weren't ready to leave home country but we are now" and " we have been on/off, then blew it off for 2 years and then back together and, and, and".

One example of the warnings we usually give is not to add chats where the fiance(e) addresses each other as spouses before they're married, for the fun of it. Some people think it won't matter because it just proved this or that, or it demonstrates planning to get married. True - but in the eyes of a CO it looks as if you might have gotten married and therefore denied the K1 application. It's the exact same situation with adding too many chat sessions thinking small details won't hurt.

I'm not trying to attack you or anything - we're all entitled to our own opinions. But I think the topic deserves to get both sides of the story and explained why some might be opposed to the idea of adding loads of details.

[madtownguy 164]

It's not about adding chats with fights. It's about adding details of breaking up on/off that easily can be used against you. Basically, the CO has to determine if you are willing to marry and stay married. If there are any signs of doubt and if the relationship is genuine. If the CO is convinced that prior breakups aren't just in the past, or that it's likely to happen again, then too bad - show's over. It's up to the individual - like you or me - how much info you add and to be honest looking back, I probably would've settled for less in the initial petition. However I'd never advise anyone to add anything that later on could potentially backfire.

There's a difference in saying that "we were dating earlier and weren't ready to leave home country but we are now" and " we have been on/off, then blew it off for 2 years and then back together and, and, and".

One example of the warnings we usually give is not to add chats where the fiance(e) addresses each other as spouses before they're married, for the fun of it. Some people think it won't matter because it just proved this or that, or it demonstrates planning to get married. True - but in the eyes of a CO it looks as if you might have gotten married and therefore denied the K1 application. It's the exact same situation with adding too many chat sessions thinking small details won't hurt.

I'm not trying to attack you or anything - we're all entitled to our own opinions. But I think the topic deserves to get both sides of the story and explained why some might be opposed to the idea of adding loads of details.

Yeah the 2 years off time might not look great. And they are being looked at by humans so anything can be seen both ways. I didn't have photos submitted and I still got my NOA2 with no RFE so things can be different on every application.

[ann and aties 9]

I didn't give any actual emails - we gave the log of emails over 5 years and not even all of the pages were submitted because you can imagine that was alot of paper. Just so they could see the span of time. We've been married over a year. Believe me, the easy part is the visa process, the hard part is for a Cuban to adjust to the U.S. Good luck with your journey!