Country cracking down on "Race mixing".

[Danno 1,228]

Edited January 12, 2013 by Danno

[Darnell 8,478]

Yay Israel ! Go Israel !

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Whats your opinion on the video? Personally, I'm appalled.

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

It's not really a "miscegenation law" as the video is titled, although there have been attempts to pass laws prohibiting intermarriage in Israel - such as Meir Kahane's proposals in the 1980's. Back then, such ideas were rejected with disgust.

But it's true that relationships between Jewish women and non-Jewish men, especially Arab men, are subject to very heavy stigma in Israel. Social segregation between the two groups is already pervasive and institutionalized in Israeli society - from a mostly separate public school system, all the way to mostly separate neighborhoods. Jewish homeowners and landlords are often pressured not to sell or rent to Arab Israelis. So no one should be surprised that this "Jim Crow" mentality extends even to private relationships. These racist ideas have sadly become mainstream in Israel:

There are several organizations promoting ethnic segregation in Israel, with a special emphasis on preventing relations between Jewish girls and Palestinian men. The most vocal is Lehava, an NGO that calls upon citizens to inform them of any case of mixed marriage or relationship. Their low-tech internet site, filled with racism and hate-talk, has a section titled “shame page,” which features the pictures of women, mostly public figures, who are in relationships with non-Jews. The head of Lehava, a Kahanist called Bentzi Gopstein, said today that the Jerusalem attackers “have raised Jewish honor from the floor and did what the police should have done.”

Lehava wouldn’t merit much attention if it wasn’t for their legitimacy in right-wing circles. In February 2011, MK Tzipi Hotovely (Likud) invited Gopstein to a formal session of the Knesset Committee for the Advancement of Women, along with other members of organizations who work to expose and prevent inter-racial relations. The title of the hearing was “the phenomena of assimilation in Israel – a special session in honor of Jewish Identity Day.”

Gopstein had the opportunity to explain the work of his organizations, and even to complain about “lack of cooperation” from the Ministry of Education; he mentioned the case of a school in Bat Yam “where 20 percent of the girls are dating Arabs.” MK Hotovely turned to a representative from the Department of Education, Dr. Zvi Zameret, for an explanation, and the latter, instead of calling racism for what it is, replied: “This is the first time I am hearing those figures… I made a note to look into that.” A Hebrew protocol of the session can be found here.

A quote from Gopstein was the first one to appear in a press release that MK Hotovely sent following the session, and other Knesset members present at the debate congratulated her for tackling this issue.

http://972mag.com/the-holy-war-against-arab-jewish-relations-and-the-jerusalem-lynch/54198/

[Danno 1,228]

Whats your opinion on the video? Personally, I'm appalled.

The freedom to choose is an essential right many countries hold pretty high (though not as an absolute)

Still the reality is the need for a certain people to survive is a much greater right.

If the Jews are looking at birth rates etc. and see that trajectory leading to their demise they will socially and politically take measures to address that.

People have no problem insuring the long term survival of a red squirrel or a brown bear or even the continuation of the survival of snail presence in a specific location..... say, where a mall was slated to be built

but when it comes to human variation or national protection, that uniqueness seems to have no value.

[elmcitymaven 9,711]

Considering the number of interracial marriages on VJ, I don't think many people on here would support that hypothesis. I'm a mutt. My partner is too. Should we have a child, it will be even more mixed than we are. But ultimately we are all human. All ** sapiens sapiens. The artificial construct of race does not place us in separate subspecies which can be delineated.

[Danno 1,228]

Considering the number of interracial marriages on VJ, I don't think many people on here would support that hypothesis. I'm a mutt. My partner is too. Should we have a child, it will be even more mixed than we are. But ultimately we are all human. All ** sapiens sapiens. The artificial construct of race does not place us in separate subspecies which can be delineated.

Excuse me, equality... is a social construct. That Jews (speaking broadly) are genetically different than their neighbors is not a construct, it is science.

SO you say screw the Pink salmon,,,, we have plenty of other variations... after all they are all the same basically.

[elmcitymaven 9,711]

Excuse me, equality... is a social construct. That Jews (speaking broadly) are genetically different than their neighbors is not a construct, it is science.

SO you say screw the Pink salmon,,,, we have plenty of other variations... after all they are all the same basically.

I don't argue with bigots. It's not worth my while. I'll just end up posting a lot of scientific data that you'll reject, and you'll end up looking absurd. It's a lovely day outside, too lovely to waste on allowing more ridiculous, racist, and patently false rubbish to be posted on VJ.

[Danno 1,228]

I don't argue with bigots. It's not worth my while. I'll just end up posting a lot of scientific data that you'll reject, and you'll end up looking absurd. It's a lovely day outside, too lovely to waste on allowing more ridiculous, racist, and patently false rubbish to be posted on VJ.

I knew that would be the limit of your defense..... now go out and play.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Still the reality is the need for a certain people to survive is a much greater right.

I thought all men were created equal. It is not like there is a shortage of humans, or Jews, in the world.

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

The freedom to choose is an essential right many countries hold pretty high (though not as an absolute)

Still the reality is the need for a certain people to survive is a much greater right.

If the Jews are looking at birth rates etc. and see that trajectory leading to their demise they will socially and politically take measures to address that.

People have no problem insuring the long term survival of a red squirrel or a brown bear or even the continuation of the survival of snail presence in a specific location..... say, where a mall was slated to be built

but when it comes to human variation or national protection, that uniqueness seems to have no value.

You need to stop equating the State of Israel with The Jewish People - they are not the same thing. And just because one group of Jews are racist and/or prejudiced does not mean they represent the mindset of all Jews.

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Edited January 12, 2013 by wife_of_mahmoud

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

The freedom to choose is an essential right many countries hold pretty high (though not as an absolute)

Still the reality is the need for a certain people to survive is a much greater right.

If the Jews are looking at birth rates etc. and see that trajectory leading to their demise they will socially and politically take measures to address that.

People have no problem insuring the long term survival of a red squirrel or a brown bear or even the continuation of the survival of snail presence in a specific location..... say, where a mall was slated to be built

but when it comes to human variation or national protection, that uniqueness seems to have no value.

But we don't protect such (wild) animals by controlling their breeding do we? I see the notion of protecting bloodlines as largely irrelevant, after all when you protect a certain bloodline from cross breeding ultimately that bloodline weakens from a lack of genetic diversity. Canines are probably the best example of this.

[decocker 7,198]

religious segregation is completely supported in the bible. am i wrong, danno?

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

It all comes down to bigotry and racism - it has nothing to do with preserving the "Jewish race." The Jewish people are among the most genetically diverse ethnic group on the planet, due to thousands of years of conversion, dispersion throughout the world, and intermixing with other ethnic groups. The reason there still is "a Jewish people" is because even under the strictest Halakhic law, any child of a Jewish woman is considered Jewish - no matter who the father is.

There is no such thing as a "pureblooded Hebrew" anyway.

[Danno 1,228]

I thought all men were created equal. It is not like there is a shortage of humans, or Jews, in the world.

When we were alarmed at the possible extinction of Bald eagles, why didn't we just take heart in the fact that there are plenty of other birds left in the world?